Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

end of the road · 21-03-2014 09:48PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Mr Nally wasn't a victim

completely agree, any sympathy i had for him went away when all the facts came to light

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 09:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

completely agree, any sympathy i had for him went away when all the facts came to light

I never said that you fool.

Corkfeen · 21-03-2014 10:27PM

Mr Williams wrote: »

In norway they can only keep him locked up for 17 years.

That prison term can be extended indefinitely.

AckwelFoley wrote: »

That thing that raped the two young girls in Athlone last year deserves the death penalty

Getting raped daily in Jail unfortunately appears unlikely with the amount of dedicated supervision he receives

So lower our justice system down to a criminal level where raping of rapists is fine? I loathe the criminals who perpetrate the crimes but to borrow from Nietzsche 'And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.' Should we be proud of ourselves if that's how the prison system operates? Endorsing certain forms of criminality if it happens to bad people.

carolinespring · 21-03-2014 10:28PM

No.

Piliger · 22-03-2014 01:20AM

I wouldn't vote for the death penalty for any scum. I don't care what they do. a) Society has no right to kill unnecessarily, and b) Giving some piece of crap an easy exit from the consequences of his crime is absolute LAST thing I would so.
Life imprisonment with compulsory work and other measures is the fitting punishment.

on the river · 24-03-2014 04:17PM

Piliger wrote: »

I wouldn't vote for the death penalty for any scum. I don't care what they do. a) Society has no right to kill unnecessarily, and b) Giving some piece of crap an easy exit from the consequences of his crime is absolute LAST thing I would so.
Life imprisonment with compulsory work and other measures is the fitting punishment.

Really ? So if your loved one was murdered would you like proper justise to
be served. The death penalty would be a justified and rightful punishement .
also the murder will be released from prison after a light sentence.

The family of the murder victim will live in fear of their lives and the public aswell.

The death penalty would solve many problems caused by reoffenders.

shroom007 · 24-03-2014 04:34PM

Bring it back I'd do it on a job bridge scheme for some of the animals this country produces.

Why feed and water them for years at tax payers expense being they some would have already cost the country a fortune in welfare/courts/social services/education

if we add it all up for those to scumbags that kicked the student in the head on paddies day all the costs of the Education(Wasted) the Courts and social services and future expense prison etc etc....if that figure is a conservative €2-300,000
ask the tax payers of Ireland are they worth it,
that of course excludes the misery and suffering they inflict on their victims and
the community they live in. and then they have kids BRILLIANT

ruairi · 24-03-2014 04:51PM

I don't know, I don't agree with murder, whether it's the state or an individual carrying it out. On the other hand, we could reintroduce it for special cases of treason where the traitor is a public official. That might give Fuhrer Enda & Happy Gilmore pause for thought.

Holsten · 24-03-2014 05:45PM

AckwelFoley wrote: »

That thing that raped the two young girls in Athlone last year deserves the death penalty

Getting raped daily in Jail unfortunately appears unlikely with the amount of dedicated supervision he receives

Hahaha posts like these... seriously.... my god.:rolleyes:

Really puts the pro-death penalty people in a fantastic light.. really.

You'd want to get your head checked if you actually believe that.

Philo Beddoe · 24-03-2014 06:02PM

Holsten wrote: »

Hahaha posts like these... seriously.... my god.:rolleyes:

Really puts the pro-death penalty people in a fantastic light.. really.

You'd want to get your head checked if you actually believe that.

Every discussion I've had regarding the death penalty has reinforced the impression that half the people who support it do so out of a need for some kind of vicarious vengeance on random 'scumbags'.

Piliger · 24-03-2014 06:06PM

on the river wrote: »

Really ? So if your loved one was murdered would you like proper justise to
be served. The death penalty would be a justified and rightful punishement .
also the murder will be released from prison after a light sentence.

The family of the murder victim will live in fear of their lives and the public aswell.

The death penalty would solve many problems caused by reoffenders.

Designing a justice system to fit the desires of victim's families is a road to hell.

As a father I would want anyone who hurt my boy in any way to have his balls cut off and him hung from the nearest tree !! And they would need to catch him before I do !! How about that being incorporated in the law ?

As I said above - "Life imprisonment with compulsory work and other measures is the fitting punishment."

Philo Beddoe · 24-03-2014 06:07PM

on the river wrote: »

Really ? So if your loved one was murdered would you like proper justise to
be served. The death penalty would be a justified and rightful punishement .
also the murder will be released from prison after a light sentence.

If a loved one was murdered I would like 'proper justice' to be served. That precludes the death penalty which is a barbaric punishment from a less civilised age.

Just to note, when you choose to frame your argument around the idea of a loved being murdered you do so in order to invoke an emotional response. Fortunately we (ideally) base our laws on principle, rather than emotion.

Artful_Badger · 24-03-2014 06:09PM

Piliger wrote: »

I wouldn't vote for the death penalty for any scum. I don't care what they do. a) Society has no right to kill unnecessarily, and b) Giving some piece of crap an easy exit from the consequences of his crime is absolute LAST thing I would so.
Life imprisonment with compulsory work and other measures is the fitting punishment.

I wouldnt vote for the death penalty either but I disagree with your reasons.

A. Society has the right to do whatever it wants if it gives itself that right. And killing criminals can be argued to be necessary in the right circumstance.

B. Its not about giving anyone an easy way out its about dealing with a problem. The judicial system is not about revenge its about protecting society from certain individuals, by trying to rehabilitate them or removing them society. But this contradicts your first argument. You think society has no right to kill someone but think it does have the right to inflict a worse fate on someone to maximise their punishment ?

Amirani · 24-03-2014 06:10PM

This is sick: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/egypt-death-sentence-529-morsi-supporters

Piliger · 24-03-2014 06:17PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

I wouldnt vote for the death penalty either but I disagree with your reasons.

A. Society has the right to do whatever it wants if it gives itself that right. And killing criminals can be argued to be necessary in the right circumstance.

B. Its not about giving anyone an easy way out its about dealing with a problem. The judicial system is not about revenge its about protecting society from certain individuals, by trying to rehabilitate them or removing them society. But this contradicts your first argument. You think society has no right to kill someone but think it does have the right to inflict a worse fate on someone to maximise their punishment ?

Yes. The Judicial system is also about punishment.

Holsten · 24-03-2014 06:20PM

Philo Beddoe wrote: »

Every discussion I've had regarding the death penalty has reinforced the impression that half the people who support it do so out of a need for some kind of vicarious vengeance on random 'scumbags'.

Yeah pretty much.

They see it as these bad people need to be punished and they want blood.

They fail to see that getting their pound of flesh doesn't really help anyone, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't even quench their thirst for revenge as they'll want it for the next bad person too.

Corkfeen · 24-03-2014 07:14PM

on the river wrote: »

Really ? So if your loved one was murdered would you like proper justise to
be served. The death penalty would be a justified and rightful punishement .
also the murder will be released from prison after a light sentence.

The family of the murder victim will live in fear of their lives and the public aswell.

The death penalty would solve many problems caused by reoffenders.

It's a lazy solution to the problem of re-offenders. It does not put people off committing crimes and you'll find the countries with the overall lowest re-offending rates are the ones that don't have the death penalty. So it would be far more logical to model a justice system on those countries than being regressive.

shroom007 wrote: »

Bring it back I'd do it on a job bridge scheme for some of the animals this country produces.

Why feed and water them for years at tax payers expense being they some would have already cost the country a fortune in welfare/courts/social services/education

if we add it all up for those to scumbags that kicked the student in the head on paddies day all the costs of the Education(Wasted) the Courts and social services and future expense prison etc etc....if that figure is a conservative €2-300,000
ask the tax payers of Ireland are they worth it,
that of course excludes the misery and suffering they inflict on their victims and
the community they live in. and then they have kids BRILLIANT

Been pointed out tonnes of times,the death penalty costs more than just putting a person in prison. There's a distinct amount of bloodlust amongst death penalty supporters than doesn't actually fit the truth.

shroom007 · 24-03-2014 08:14PM

Its not a deterrent but nothing is for certain offenders, but for the rapists,murderers and the real scum it a guareentee they wont re offend,and wont get out to have any influence on future events
what value is John Gilligan to our society
what value is Larry Murphy
what value was Brendan Smyth
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

whisky_galore · 24-03-2014 08:17PM

What about when you get it wrong, oops, sorry...send a card and a gift basket to the rellies?

end of the road · 24-03-2014 08:25PM

shroom007 wrote: »

Its not a deterrent but nothing is for certain offenders, but for the rapists,murderers and the real scum it a guareentee they wont re offend,and wont get out to have any influence on future events

life in prison will do the exact same thing at less cost

shroom007 wrote: »

what value is John Gilligan to our society
what value is Larry Murphy
what value was Brendan Smyth

what value are you to society?

Billy86 · 24-03-2014 08:31PM

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty would solve many problems caused by reoffenders.

Nope.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Mal-Adjusted · 24-03-2014 09:01PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Murder is an "unjust killing".

Not too sure where you're getting this from. Methinks you're twisting words to back up your ridiculous position.
Every definition I can find has it "unlawful" killing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

Jumboman wrote: »

How could any reasonable person condemn a parent for killing someone who rapes their child ?

Probably because no reasonable person would kill another human

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-03-2014 11:52AM

Piliger wrote: »

Yes. The Judicial system is also about punishment.

Punishment =/= Death penalty.

25-03-2014 12:00PM

shroom007 wrote: »

Its not a deterrent but nothing is for certain offenders, but for the rapists,murderers and the real scum it a guareentee they wont re offend,and wont get out to have any influence on future events
what value is John Gilligan to our society
what value is Larry Murphy
what value was Brendan Smyth
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

So you feel a persons value to society and the cost of maintaining them should be a consideration in allowing the state to kill them?

Sunglasses Ron · 25-03-2014 12:55PM

Out of curiousity has the church always been opposed to capital punishment like they have been in my lifetime? (JP II in the particular would routinely comment on individual, usually American, imminent executions). Seems odd that if they have always opposed it that a country so previously under their influence like ourselves had executions up until the fifties, and still had the death penalty technically available for sentencing until not very long ago.

on the river · 25-03-2014 01:00PM

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Out of curiousity has the church always been opposed to capital punishment like they have been in my lifetime? (JP II in the particular would routinely comment on individual, usually American, imminent executions). Seems odd that if they have always opposed it that a country so previously under their influence like ourselves had executions up until the fifties, and still had the death penalty technically available for sentencing until not very long ago.

Very classy taking the moral highground. By bringing church into it very classy indeed

25-03-2014 01:04PM

An eye for an eye punishment makes no sense to me. How about if life actually meant life 30 years minimum etc

Sunglasses Ron · 25-03-2014 01:05PM

on the river wrote: »

Very classy taking the moral highground. By bringing church into it very classy indeed

Moral what?

I don't even know if I'm in favour of it or not so I'm not sure if you even think with my question I am pro or anti (I'm not sure whether waking every day with the thought of imminent death or waking every day knowing you will never leave prison is a better punishment being the main reason)

Sunglasses Ron · 25-03-2014 01:07PM

connemara man wrote: »

An eye for an eye punishment makes no sense to me. How about if life actually meant life 30 years minimum etc

It might sound barbaric but it is hard to argue against meting out eye for an eye punishments where the victim has been left physically scared or disabled for life. Someone serving six years for an attack that leaves their victim blind until their dying day really is not justice.

shroom007 · 25-03-2014 08:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

shroom007 wrote: »

Its not a deterrent but nothing is for certain offenders, but for the rapists,murderers and the real scum it a guareentee they wont re offend,and wont get out to have any influence on future events

life in prison will do the exact same thing at less cost

what value are you to society?

really where do these sentences exist, not in this bloody country
wheel out the ole poverty defense bobs your uncle 6 yrs with 4 suspended for manslaughter/rape whatever you fancy stab someone in the head with a screwdriver no worries 3ys in the joy and they come out wanting to be primary school teachers, my ar*e

I know Im of a lot more value to society than any of the cockroaches I mentioned, like the majority of People in Ireland
I better not mention Eugenics then which would render this thread redundant

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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