Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

end of the road · 20-03-2014 08:17PM

Jumboman wrote: »

All I'm saying is that the victims and their families should have a right to fight back.

they shouldn't, don't and never will, rightly so, they might get a taste for killing

end of the road · 20-03-2014 08:19PM

OneWayAround wrote: »

I'm all for the death penalty, killing criminals has it's merits. Also I think the punishment should fit the crime, so a serial killer's final meal on death row should be cereal.

Cheerios.

made me chuckle

Jumboman · 20-03-2014 08:48PM

Holsten wrote: »

They've just committed murder.

Capital murder, so in your twisted world they'd be up on Death Row themselves.

It would be self defence plus they would be saving other children.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-03-2014 09:04PM

Jumboman wrote: »

It would be self defence plus they would be saving other children.

In no way is anyone who supports the death penalty interrested in the welfare of the children.

You also need to look up the meanign of the word "defence".

Jumboman · 20-03-2014 09:25PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

In no way is anyone who supports the death penalty interrested in the welfare of the children.

You also need to look up the meanign of the word "defence".

What are you talking about ? of course we are interested in the welfare of children.

Getting rid of peados would make the world a much safer place for children.

Holsten · 20-03-2014 09:39PM

Jumboman wrote: »

What are you talking about ? of course we are interested in the welfare of children.

Getting rid of peados would make the world a much safer place for children.

Hahaha do you seriously believe that?

How many children are killed from drunk drivers/abusive parents/alcohol or drug overdoses/random freak accidents.

Theses are all far, far, far more common than being abducted and killed/raped.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-03-2014 09:46PM

Jumboman wrote: »

What are you talking about ? of course we are interested in the welfare of children.

Getting rid of peados would make the world a much safer place for children.

Eradicating pedophilia, would, indeed make the world a much safer place for children, but how will the death penalty achieve this? You'er only killing one pedophile.

And if you'er goign to go down the line of pedophiles can't change, then please read some of the evidence presented by billy before you do. If you can;t be bothered then it will be case if you not wanting to know, or being scared of knowing and therefore more you being more interested in the death penalty than in the welfare of kids.

QED.

Mal-Adjusted · 20-03-2014 10:08PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Why not ? if a parent kills their childs abuser in angry, why should they become the criminal for defending their family ? its crazy.

I don't see how killing someone well after the fact can count as self defense. that's a revenge killing and murder. Committing an even worse crime will only serve to put the parent in prison.

Originally Posted by Jumboman
All I'm saying is that the victims and their families should have a right to fight back.

They should if the crime is currently being committed and they are in a position to intervene, and even then circumstances dictate to what degree. What you seem to be describing is revenge killing after the fact and somehow confusing it with self defense.

Jumboman · 20-03-2014 10:26PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

I don't see how killing someone well after the fact can count as self defense. that's a revenge killing and murder. Committing an even worse crime will only serve to put the parent in prison.

In my book child rape is a much more serious crime than "murder" which it woudn't be in this case.

Holsten · 20-03-2014 10:29PM

Jumboman wrote: »

In my book child rape is a much more serious crime than "murder" which it woudn't be in this case.

You're reading from the wrong book then.

Mal-Adjusted · 20-03-2014 10:36PM

Jumboman wrote: »

In my book child rape is a much more serious crime than "murder" which it wouldn't be in this case.

debatable, and you're entitled to your opinion, but i disagree. Also, in what warped view wouldn't it be murder? An (admittedly quick) google search for the definition of murder threw this up

murder
"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." Nothing lawful about revenge killings.

sdanseo · 20-03-2014 11:23PM

**Vai** wrote: »

Seems a good way to cull the human population....I'm in!

I don't think there is a better punishment for murder, rape or child abuse.

Castrate them, lock them up and throw away the key. Make them suffer for decades then die in prison. Arguably better punishment no?

If a life sentence didn't mean 15 years here it might be a tad of a step towards justifiable punishments.

21-03-2014 09:07AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf

There's been numerous studies. There are essentially none that support the view that capital punishment provides a deterrent to capital crime.

OK thanks for that.. in any case not having the death penalty hasnt had an effect either... at least the families of the victims would feel better...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-03-2014 10:46AM

Jumboman wrote: »

In my book child rape is a much more serious crime than "murder" which it woudn't be in this case.

How you getting on with reading the research? Not very well by the looks of it - on top of not caring about the welfare of kids you now want to bring in a law that will encourage pedophiles to murder the kids they rape and destroy the bodies. After all, then it'll only be murder, right?

Also, if the family attacks the pedophile and the pedophile turns around and defends himself, seriously injuring his attackers, isn't that also self-defense? And therefore completely ok?

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 02:15PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

How you getting on with reading the research? Not very well by the looks of it - on top of not caring about the welfare of kids you now want to bring in a law that will encourage pedophiles to murder the kids they rape and destroy the bodies. After all, then it'll only be murder, right?

Also, if the family attacks the pedophile and the pedophile turns around and defends himself, seriously injuring his attackers, isn't that also self-defense? And therefore completely ok?

What are you talking about ?

The reason peados commit these crimes is because they know they will just get a slap on the wrist if they are caught. If the death penalty was bought in we could cut child sex abuse by atleast 50%.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-03-2014 02:20PM

Jumboman wrote: »

What are you talking about ?

The reason peados commit these crimes is because they know they will just get a slap on the wrist if they are caught. If the death penalty was bought in we could cut child sex abuse by atleast 50%.

The research I refered to you earlier. As opposed to the research obtained by pulling facts out of thin air. You should have realised by now thay I won't just accept your vague words or assumed facts and figures, and carry on as such.

The death penalty, on the grounds that you want it, would make society a far more dangerous place for children, but you don't care about that - as long as you get your bloodlust. Argument proven, as you have deliberately avoided anything that proves this and made efforts to avoid producing an informed and researched rebuttal.

Why else could that be?

ChicagoJoe · 21-03-2014 02:24PM

There are a few posters here on baords.ie that I wouldn't mind tying the rope around !!!!!

end of the road · 21-03-2014 02:56PM

Jumboman wrote: »

The reason peados commit these crimes is because they know they will just get a slap on the wrist if they are caught.
wrong, its because they have a sexual attraction to children which can't be got rid of, doesn't matter what the sentence is is it won't stop such people from existing.

Jumboman wrote: »

If the death penalty was bought in we could cut child sex abuse by atleast 50%.

any country succeed in doing this? no didn't think so, stop talking bull, you haven't a clue

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 07:56PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The research I refered to you earlier. As opposed to the research obtained by pulling facts out of thin air. You should have realised by now thay I won't just accept your vague words or assumed facts and figures, and carry on as such.

The death penalty, on the grounds that you want it, would make society a far more dangerous place for children, but you don't care about that - as long as you get your bloodlust. Argument proven, as you have deliberately avoided anything that proves this and made efforts to avoid producing an informed and researched rebuttal.

Why else could that be?

The reality is that peados and other criminals laugh at the Irish justice system.

You dont seem to understand the impact child abuse has on people they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. The death penalty is 100% justified for putting down these animals.

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 07:59PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

debatable, and you're entitled to your opinion, but i disagree. Also, in what warped view wouldn't it be murder? An (admittedly quick) google search for the definition of murder threw this up

murder
"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." Nothing lawful about revenge killings.

Murder is an "unjust killing". How could any reasonable person condemn a parent for killing someone who rapes their child ? Its political correctness gone mad.

AckwelFoley · 21-03-2014 08:11PM

That thing that raped the two young girls in Athlone last year deserves the death penalty

Getting raped daily in Jail unfortunately appears unlikely with the amount of dedicated supervision he receives

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-03-2014 08:14PM

Jumboman wrote: »

The reality is that peados and other criminals laugh at the Irish justice system.

You dont seem to understand the impact child abuse has on people they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. The death penalty is 100% justified for putting down these animals.

Of course I do - why do you think I don't want to bring in something that waits until after chidren have been raped before deailing with the problem?

end of the road · 21-03-2014 08:20PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Murder is an "unjust killing". How could any reasonable person condemn a parent for killing someone who rapes their child?

because they have lost all credibility, and have invalidated any argument they had

Jumboman wrote: »

Its political correctness gone mad.

lol, its called a boundry, nothing to do with political correctness

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 08:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

because they have lost all credibility, and have invalidated any argument they had

lol, its called a boundry, nothing to do with political correctness

Padraig Nally was also a victim of political correctness .

Its amazing how innocent victims can be turned into criminals.

Any parent worth their salt would do anything to protect their childern.

end of the road · 21-03-2014 08:45PM

Jumboman wrote: »

Padraig Nally was also a victim of political correctness .

no he wasn't, he shot a man who was leaving his property and when he was on the ground shot him again, he was a murdering scumbag who got lucky, had the man come at him with a weapon and he shot him i'd have some sympathy for him depending on what came out in the trial

Jumboman wrote: »

Its amazing how innocent victims can be turned into criminals.

yeah, and imagine if the death penalty was in place and these innocent people were executed, Padraig Nally deserved to go to jail, no sympathy for him what soever

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 09:09PM

end of the road wrote: »

no he wasn't, he shot a man who was leaving his property and when he was on the ground shot him again, he was a murdering scumbag who got lucky, had the man come at him with a weapon and he shot him i'd have some sympathy for him depending on what came out in the trial

What are you talking about ? he was cleared of murder or any wrong doing.

Padraig Nally is a gentleman who never broke the law in his life.

The scumbag he shot had over 80 convictions. These included threatening a barman with a Stanley knife, attacking a car with a slash-hook while a woman and two children were inside, and threatened Gárdaí with a slash hook.

How can anyone defend such a scumbag ?

Padraig Nally should have been given a medal for his public service.

end of the road · 21-03-2014 09:19PM

Jumboman wrote: »

What are you talking about ? he was cleared of murder or any wrong doing.

like i said, he got lucky, the evidence did not show "self defence" to me.

Jumboman wrote: »

Padraig Nally is a gentleman who never broke the law in his life.

no, i am, he's not

Jumboman wrote: »

The scumbag he shot had over 80 convictions. These included threatening a barman with a Stanley knife, attacking a car with a slash-hook while a woman and two children were inside, and threatened Gárdaí with a slash hook.

and while he is a scumbag that means nothing, if we allowed people to be killed because of their previous convictions then we'd probably have much of the country wiped out including those convicted for not paying the TV licence.

Jumboman wrote: »

How can anyone defend such a scumbag ?
completely agree, yet people do defend Padraig Nally, each to their own, but he gets no sympathy from me.

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 09:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

like i said, he got lucky, the evidence did not show "self defence" to me.

If Nally had not of shot him he could be dead himself. The scumbag he shot had a long history of violence.

end of the road · 21-03-2014 09:28PM

Jumboman wrote: »

If Nally had not of shot him he could be dead himself. The scumbag he shot had a long history of violence.

yeah, right, sorry, i don't and will never feel sympathy for him, he got lucky and thats it as far as i'm concerned

Jumboman · 21-03-2014 09:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, right, sorry, i don't and will never feel sympathy for him, he got lucky and thats it as far as i'm concerned

So you have no sympathy for people who have to live in fear of scumbag burglars ?

Mr Nally was a victim NOT a crimnal. People should not have to live in fear in their own homes because of scumbags.

Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

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