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Atheists can be assholes too sometimes

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  • #152
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    J C wrote: »
    They also tortured and crucified Jesus Christ ... so I don't think we should look to Rome as a model of tolerance or anything else.

    Or anything else?

    I guess we should completely disregard the Roman's for all the benefits that they brought to human civilization

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso


  • #153
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    J C wrote: »
    ... and apolgy is certainly now due to Ardmacha.

    Fine then I will seeing as you're so picky about it:

    I'm sorry that I pointed out that armacha wasn't telling the truth. Please accept my apologies for destroying his fallacy.

    That do you?


  • #154
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    Who told you that?

    Can't you recognise a question?


  • #155
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    catallus wrote: »
    I'm sure the Christians will get their turn to be persecuted again, but I'm told there's a bit of a queue!

    Hardly surprising when they twist the argument all the time or don't pay attention to what people are actually objecting to ;)


  • #156
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Hold on now, I think the ground swell of public support from the decidedly non roman local government in the form of Jewish authority had a hand in nailing the man to a tree for saying how great it would be for people to be nice to each other for a change.
    In fact didn't the Romans offer a get out for the rabble but they still chose to execute the man instead?
    I'm sure the Romans shook their head in surprise at this form of parish pump politics.
    The Romans were the only ones who could legally torture and execute Jesus ... and they did ... fact.
    ... and it's not as if it was something unusual to them ... they killed people for sport in the various amphitheatres around the empire, after all!!!
    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    Secularism has nothing to do with atheism, rather it is anxious to hand the reins of responsibility of a nations faith/s to the people and their church.
    The state business is run but run, ultimately, by officials who are voted into the role by the population, so they will share values and, hence these values will be reflected in the policies and moral position taken by the government.
    So, you get a representitive government that is only held accountable by its people, not by directly by any given church or faith, making it far more flexible in dealing with issues that affect that population, and not having to adhere to any doctrine for direction, though they will still be at the mercy of the voting public come election time.
    That said it's apparent, in the likes of Turkey say, that while you can be a good Muslim you can also be in favour of a secular society and vote for secular parties whilst still seeing your countries identity as steeped in history and as a progressive Muslim state needing no protection, instead being enhanced, here we are, a free, open and Muslim society, inclusive and the West need not fear us.
    I accept all you say there ... indeed I'm a liberal Christian ... and a liberal Secularist myself.


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  • #157
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Fine then I will seeing as you're so picky about it:

    I'm sorry that I pointed out that armacha wasn't telling the truth. Please accept my apologies for destroying his fallacy.

    That do you?
    Thanks Brian ... like I have said, we all make mistakes ... and it is a good and a brave man who admits his.

    Sincere thanks ... and sincere admiration ... you're a cool guy!!:cool:

    ... and a good ambassador for Atheism.


  • #158
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Or anything else?

    I guess we should completely disregard the Roman's for all the benefits that they brought to human civilization
    The Romans had their strengths allright ... but they also had their weaknesses ... all the aquaducts and roads in the world wasn't much good to you, if you were fed to the lions or made to fight a gladiator to the death just for the fun of it.


  • #159
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    If Jesus existed, and that's a big if, because we've exactly the same evidence for Biggus Dickus as we do for Jesus, he would not have been crucified for the "crimes" attributed to him in the bible. His "crimes" were committed under Judaic law and thus were punished under Judaic law, which perscribed either hanging or stoning to death. And further to that, even if he were to be punished under Roman law, for a crime not specified in the bible, then he would only have been crucified for committing a treason against the Roman state. Think the Spartacite rebellion to see what was considered treason, a man preaching changes to the religion of a subject people doesn't even come close.

    It wouldn't suprise me if the crucifiction story was retroed into the bible as a way to associate Jesus subliminally with Spartacus, in order to have some of the latter's reputation for justice and fairness rub off on Jesus.
    It is the story of a weak-willed Roman Official (Pilate) taking the 'easy way out' ... and literally washing his hands out of the whole business.

    It has the ring of truth to it allright.


  • #160
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


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  • #161
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Fine then I will seeing as you're so picky about it:

    I'm sorry that I pointed out that armacha wasn't telling the truth. Please accept my apologies for destroying his fallacy.

    That do you?

    Hang on there, this is out of your hands now. We're glad you exposed the fraudulent post (whether it was an accidental error or not).
    Still waiting for ardmacha to come back and say it was an honest mistake he/she made. Otherwise we have to assume the intent was to deceive.


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  • #162
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    But he wasn't wrong!


  • #163
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    catallus wrote: »
    But he wasn't wrong!

    how so?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #164
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    SW wrote: »
    how so?

    Spicy duck wings, please.


  • #165
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    catallus wrote: »
    Spicy duck wings, please.

    Spicy duck wings is why ardmacha was right? :confused:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #166
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    SW wrote: »
    Spicy duck wings is why ardmacha was right? :confused:

    How so?


  • #167
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    catallus wrote: »
    But he wasn't wrong!

    He lied (by implication and omission) about the location of the cemetary. If he had pointed out that the cemetary was in Luxemburg, then his point would have fallen apart.

    And given how little time it took me to ferret out the actual location of the cemetary, I cannot see how he didn't know either.


  • #168
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    He lied (by implication and omission) about the location of the cemetary. If he had pointed out that the cemetary was in Luxemburg, then his point would have fallen apart.

    And given how little time it took me to ferret out the actual location of the cemetary, I cannot see how he didn't know either.

    Catallus is on an extended vacation beyond the event horizon.


  • #169
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    What an amazing thread. I can now safely say that assholes know no barriers when it comes to beliefs :D


  • #170
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    old hippy wrote: »
    What an amazing thread. I can now safely say that assholes know no barriers when it comes to beliefs :D

    Hey, I'm only an asshole when I'm right!


  • #171
    ardmacha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »

    But then again ardmacha, what use is the truth when you can lie?

    I did not lie, nor imply that this was in the US. I searched for a US military cemetery, found a nice pic and asked who owned it and you provided the answer.

    There is a certain hypocrisy in the funding, whatever about the technicalities of ownership, of a particular style of memorial in one place and then losing the plot when a similar style of memorial is placed elsewhere. My point was the hypocrisy, not the legality.


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  • #172
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    ardmacha wrote: »
    I did not lie,
    Yes you did.
    nor imply that this was in the US.

    Yes you did.

    I pointed out to a third poster that the US constitution forbids religious iconography on public property, then you posted a picture of a Luxemburgesch cemetary, passing it off as a US one, and tried to make out that I was wrong. I took about ten seconds to figure out that the cemetary was not situated in the US as you made out, but in another country which doesn't have the same church/state separation.
    Given the context in which you posted your original post, the question you asked (below) was obviously rhetorical, and what you meant when you asked it was "Look at this, a cemetary in the US with crosses in it, owned by the US government, so your point about the US constitution is wrong." And your latest post has basically told everybody that your original post was deliberately false, because if it were a mistake you'd have owned up to that mistake, retracted your assertion, apologised for it and moved on, none of which I note you are man enough to do.
    ardmacha wrote: »
    Who owns this place then?
    LUXEMBOURG-AMERICAN-CEMETERY-AND-MEMORIAL.jpg


  • #173
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    smacl wrote: »
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    In a similar vein, from the brilliant Gary Larson, who's comics made my childhood.

    god-farside.jpg


  • #174
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I don't know about the assholes, but its a great thread for the unpologies :)


  • #175
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    The Romans fed the Christians to the lions.

    Who are we to argue with the Romans?

    Ah the good ol days, where we pay homage to the state rather than to liberty and freedom.


  • #176
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Threads split.
    vanilla here


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