TUS Programme

Dnaan · 28-02-2014 10:14PM

Hi Dodzy,
I know what the wages are, and that the minimum that a participant receives is €208 ish so that is effectively €11 per hour, when you take a supervisors wages and do similar deductions like Tax, prsi & USC €12.30 per hr, so effectively for the extra responsibility upon the team leader, there may be up to 30 participants at times for one to look after (during changeovers or upgrading the team leader numbers) is this such a king pin job? of course it is on-going but so is social welfare - and to reiterate €208 is the minimum a participant will receive - they do get a lot more.

dodzy · 28-02-2014 11:11PM

Dnaan wrote: »

Hi Dodzy,
I know what the wages are, and that the minimum that a participant receives is €208 ish so that is effectively €11 per hour, when you take a supervisors wages and do similar deductions like Tax, prsi & USC €12.30 per hr, so effectively for the extra responsibility upon the team leader, there may be up to 30 participants at times for one to look after (during changeovers or upgrading the team leader numbers) is this such a king pin job? of course it is on-going but so is social welfare - and to reiterate €208 is the minimum a participant will receive - they do get a lot more.

King pin job ? Of course not. But I enjoy this more that jobs I've had before paying twice as much. Match this to other benefits, and it suits me just fine. There is a lot to be said for actually getting out of bed and looking forward to going to work. You can't put a dollar value on that IMO.

donegal11 · 01-03-2014 02:46AM

Dnaan wrote: »

Hi Dodzy,
I know what the wages are, and that the minimum that a participant receives is €208 ish so that is effectively €11 per hour, when you take a supervisors wages and do similar deductions like Tax, prsi & USC €12.30 per hr, so effectively for the extra responsibility upon the team leader, there may be up to 30 participants at times for one to look after (during changeovers or upgrading the team leader numbers) is this such a king pin job? of course it is on-going but so is social welfare - and to reiterate €208 is the minimum a participant will receive - they do get a lot more.

HOW? unless you mean qualified child/adult

MouseTail · 01-03-2014 08:48AM

donegal11 wrote: »

HOW? unless you mean qualified child/adult

Or possibly secondary benefits which the Supervisor would be locked out of, such as Medical Card, Rent Allowance etc?

dodzy · 01-03-2014 09:32AM

MouseTail wrote: »

Or possibly secondary benefits which the Supervisor would be locked out of, such as Medical Card, Rent Allowance etc?

Id say you got it there MT

01-03-2014 12:36PM

Dnaan wrote: »

Hi Dodzy,
I know what the wages are, and that the minimum that a participant receives is €208 ish so that is effectively €11 per hour, when you take a supervisors wages and do similar deductions like Tax, prsi & USC €12.30 per hr, so effectively for the extra responsibility upon the team leader, there may be up to 30 participants at times for one to look after (during changeovers or upgrading the team leader numbers) is this such a king pin job? of course it is on-going but so is social welfare - and to reiterate €208 is the minimum a participant will receive - they do get a lot more.

Yes they DO get a bit more, but they have to work twice as long for that money! Personally I don't the basic €522 is much for the job they do. I only have personal experience of CE Schemes, but they are much more than just a supervisor! They have to sort all sorts of complaints and in many cases have participants who may not have the social skills necessary to mix with other workers and this can cause major problems. They may have 14 workers placed in 7 different locations and have to keep an eye on these and make sure work is carried out to a certain standard.
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Supervisors.aspx

kaisersuzy · 01-03-2014 08:23PM

Does anyone know who came up the the figure of an "extra" 20 euro a week? how was it figured and why that number was plucked out...

if the reasoning was it returns a figure of just over 10 euro an hour all told (slightly above minimum wage) I can in a roundabout way see that logic.....but I can also see the logic that 20 euro a week is is roughly 1 euro an hour for 19 and a half hrs work

02-03-2014 12:37AM

kaisersuzy wrote: »

Does anyone know who came up the the figure of an "extra" 20 euro a week? how was it figured and why that number was plucked out...

if the reasoning was it returns a figure of just over 10 euro an hour all told (slightly above minimum wage) I can in a roundabout way see that logic.....but I can also see the logic that 20 euro a week is is roughly 1 euro an hour for 19 and a half hrs work

It's for travel to work. If people work week on week off, as some do, it's about right for travel expenses.

muffin2014 · 09-03-2014 02:47PM

I recently got a letter from social welfare ref Tus and have two weeks to respond. I have a child and have been means tested already currently getting €100 p/w, if I was to participate in this programme I would have to pay for childcare (min €35 a day) and I do not drive so possibly would have to pay for travel. Can anyone advise me do I have a case here as it would actually cost me to participate but im afraid my JSB will be cut if i decline? also what are the chances of me been picked if i agree for the programme? I am thinking of going into the social welfare office to discuss this but is there any point? I do intend to get back into full time employment in the future but its either JSB or full time work (which is extremely scarce in my area). any info would be welcome?

donegal11 · 09-03-2014 03:29PM

muffin2014 wrote: »

I recently got a letter from social welfare ref Tus and have two weeks to respond. I have a child and have been means tested already currently getting €100 p/w, if I was to participate in this programme I would have to pay for childcare (min €35 a day) and I do not drive so possibly would have to pay for travel. Can anyone advise me do I have a case here as it would actually cost me to participate but im afraid my JSB will be cut if i decline? also what are the chances of me been picked if i agree for the programme? I am thinking of going into the social welfare office to discuss this but is there any point? I do intend to get back into full time employment in the future but its either JSB or full time work (which is extremely scarce in my area). any info would be welcome?

I'd say yes and then ask at any interviews who provides childcare and explain you can't drive, they'd then get the message and pick another candidate for a position. I wouldn't recommend that you say no or say you can't find childcare because for jobseekers you need to be available for work.

Dnaan · 09-03-2014 07:20PM

Hi Muffin,
All is not as bad as it seems, firstly if you go to the interview you can voice your issues and I am sure the interviewers will explain all of the positives in the Tus Scheme.
Secondly, if you decided to take up a position, the position could be worked around childcare (evening work or weekends) - your money would increase from €100 to €208 without any other of your entitlements being affected - usually you are not asked to work more than 10km from home and most supervisors are fair on that (Usually it is within the limits of a town or village)
Thirdly, it may be possible to get childcare reduced or free as you are still classed as unemployed and also entitled to the after schools childcare scheme. I hope this will help you for the future and one last note - Tus means "beginning" or new beginning so by coming on to a Tus placement in an occupation/career-path that you choose (not the interviewer) it will open other doors for you, that I can almost assure you. Let me know how you get on?

Fred Swanson · 09-03-2014 07:33PM

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09-03-2014 07:59PM

muffin2014 wrote: »

I recently got a letter from social welfare ref Tus and have two weeks to respond. I have a child and have been means tested already currently getting €100 p/w, if I was to participate in this programme I would have to pay for childcare (min €35 a day) and I do not drive so possibly would have to pay for travel. Can anyone advise me do I have a case here as it would actually cost me to participate but im afraid my JSB will be cut if i decline? also what are the chances of me been picked if i agree for the programme? I am thinking of going into the social welfare office to discuss this but is there any point? I do intend to get back into full time employment in the future but its either JSB or full time work (which is extremely scarce in my area). any info would be welcome?

If you've got a child and are only getting €100 a week, I assume you're living with or married to someone. Could that person help with childcare? Would it be possible for you to work around their hours? Another answer to the "Not being available for work" question is that you ARE available and actively seeking work that will pay you a rate that will allow you pay for childcare, which TUS rates won't.

muffin2014 · 10-03-2014 12:52AM

Hi Dnaan, I appreciate the info / comment, it was very helpful. i am going to take a trip into my local SW office tomorrow to see if they can elaborate on the scheme and I'll possibly explain my predicament so we'll see how that goes! My husband works mon-fri which is why I was already means tested.

10-03-2014 09:34AM

muffin2014 wrote: »

Hi Dnaan, I appreciate the info / comment, it was very helpful. i am going to take a trip into my local SW office tomorrow to see if they can elaborate on the scheme and I'll possibly explain my predicament so we'll see how that goes! My husband works mon-fri which is why I was already means tested.

I thought so, Muffin. I've always found Welfare staff very helpful and understanding. Maybe if you find a Course that could be done in the evenings, it might help in 2 ways, get welfare off your back and upgrade your qualifications. If you're struggling financially with any extra cost, you could approach the St Vincent dePaul. Not easy to do, but they, too are very helpful once they see you trying to better yourself.
For Gods sake don't say you're not available for work, just that you cannot afford to take a position that'd leave you in a much worse state financially.
Good Luck.

jos22 · 11-03-2014 04:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought so, Muffin. I've always found Welfare staff very helpful and understanding. Maybe if you find a Course that could be done in the evenings, it might help in 2 ways, get welfare off your back and upgrade your qualifications. If you're struggling financially with any extra cost, you could approach the St Vincent dePaul. Not easy to do, but they, too are very helpful once they see you trying to better yourself.
For Gods sake don't say you're not available for work, just that you cannot afford to take a position that'd leave you in a much worse state financially.
Good Luck.

from what I heard this is a valid reason for not taking a TUS placement,

heard that they can try to find a placement that would suit, such as something you could via home via the internet etc

dodzy · 12-03-2014 08:51AM

This is always an issue. Good advice from above. Go to the interview and be honest. Personally, we have plenty of people to chose from so we would park a person in your situation.

That said, and I know I'm risking the wrath here, but the Department will state that if you are in receipt of JSA, then you should be GSW ( Genuinely seeking work ), which is nigh impossible for someone in your situation.

Anyway, best of luck;)

seanskyline · 13-03-2014 02:04PM

Hi guys

I am finishing up on a Tus program this week. When i started it i was on €100 a week Jobseekers. while i have been on Tus i turned 22 so my question is when i finish up next week will i be back to the €100 or €144 that a 22 yr old normally got before the change in law in January???

Thanks

jos22 · 13-03-2014 02:52PM

seanskyline wrote: »

Hi guys

I am finishing up on a Tus program this week. When i started it i was on €100 a week Jobseekers. while i have been on Tus i turned 22 so my question is when i finish up next week will i be back to the €100 or €144 that a 22 yr old normally got before the change in law in January???

Thanks

they would move you to correct rate for your age

dodzy · 13-03-2014 02:54PM

seanskyline wrote: »

Hi guys

I am finishing up on a Tus program this week. When i started it i was on €100 a week Jobseekers. while i have been on Tus i turned 22 so my question is when i finish up next week will i be back to the €100 or €144 that a 22 yr old normally got before the change in law in January???

Thanks

100 is the new rate for up to 25s from Jan 12th, so thats what you will get. 144 for 25yr olds and 188 for 26 up.

zenno · 19-03-2014 07:20PM

Now my sister has to go to this TUS interview tomorrow. She has a lot of university degrees in 3 different languages and other stuff, and she's not happy to be called in on this garbage either. I asked her to read this thread as to get a bit of an idea as to how it is.

help12345 · 19-03-2014 11:57PM

zenno wrote: »

Now my sister has to go to this TUS interview tomorrow. She has a lot of university degrees in 3 different languages and other stuff, and she's not happy to be called in on this garbage either. I asked her to read this thread as to get a bit of an idea as to how it is.

was she waiting long for interview ?

zenno · 20-03-2014 12:07AM

help12345 wrote: »

was she waiting long for interview ?

She got the DSP Tus letter to tick 4 weeks ago (no choice but to tick yes), and one week later she received the interview form from TUS to attend interview, so she is in tomorrow afternoon. It all happened pretty quickly.

It was the same with me last year, it only took two weeks from me receiving the letter from TUS till I had to go for interview.

kaisersuzy · 20-03-2014 12:10AM

zenno wrote: »

Now my sister has to go to this TUS interview tomorrow. She has a lot of university degrees in 3 different languages and other stuff, and she's not happy to be called in on this garbage either. I asked her to read this thread as to get a bit of an idea as to how it is.

So what? and you need to be unemployed for 12 months or more to be eligible .....so what is all I'm saying

help12345 · 20-03-2014 12:18AM

zenno wrote: »

She got the DSP Tus letter to tick 4 weeks ago (no choice but to tick yes), and one week later she received the interview form from TUS to attend interview, so she is in tomorrow afternoon. It all happened pretty quickly.

It was the same with me last year, it only took two weeks from me receiving the letter from TUS till I had to go for interview.

for example do u get much notice of interview in case u have some other interview for that day

zenno · 20-03-2014 12:24AM

kaisersuzy wrote: »

So what? and you need to be unemployed for 12 months or more to be eligible .....so what is all I'm saying

Thanks for contributing with that comment :rolleyes:

zenno · 20-03-2014 12:28AM

help12345 wrote: »

for example do u get much notice of interview in case u have some other interview for that day

No, you get two weeks notice from what I can see. If you have a job interview that coincides with the TUS interview, then you need to contact TUS leader-partnership to ask them to change the date as you have a job interview, they will do this no problem.

kaisersuzy · 20-03-2014 12:29AM

zenno wrote: »

Thanks for contributing with that comment :rolleyes:

Why? can you not take critique on what you write....picking up welfare payments is garbage too is it not? particularly with alot of university degrees and other stuff at hand.....so why is one garbage better than the next, is it because it involves some "real labour" :cool:

zenno · 20-03-2014 12:44AM

kaisersuzy wrote: »

Why? can you not take critique on what you write....picking up welfare payments is garbage too is it not? particularly with alot of university degrees and other stuff at hand.....so why is one garbage better than the next, is it because it involves some "real labour" :cool:

suzy, No. It is not garbage too, because it helps pay the bills when in need of assistance and out of a job for a lot of people. What is garbage about that ?.

This is going off topic, I'll leave it at that

Lilefitzskinny · 20-03-2014 12:47PM

Hi just wondering can anyone tell me I'm nearly done my first week on Tus placement. When will I be paid? I wasn't told.

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