TUS Programme

dharma200

dharma200 wrote: »

Voluntary being the operative word..... Many people are quite happy to pick up litter voluntary..... Forcing people? No.

Whatever you think of the merits of forcing people to pick up litter, forcing people to pretend to do jobs, with. No outcome of employment at the end? It doesn't take a genius to see exactly what this scheme is all about, and it certainly isn't about creating employment or getting people off the dole.... Not by an inch......

I wonder is the aim of the scheme to get people back into the habit of working? There are so many long term unemployed out there, some of whom - if forums are to be believed - have never worked a day in their lives! Is it so wrong to give something back? To show the value of doing something - anything - for their dole?

dharma200

There is a tiny tiny tiny percentage of people who are the daily mail never worked a day In their lives types. Get people ready for doing jobs that don't even exist is completely moronic. It is nonsense.
Forced labour is not the answer to anything.. All it causes is resentment, jobs that could be created not, as in jobsbridge, the biggest threat to employment there has ever been.... And then the lower level tus... In my view these schemes are so harmful to the jobs market and the economy, to everything..... They do not help society, only harm it, by pretence and by not allowing real jobs to be created. If there is a need for admin to be done, or litter picking, give someone a full time job with rights and privelidges that anyone in full time employment should get, DO NOT exploit threaten or bully people into doing these things. There are loads of people who would love a full time job in admin or litter picking for a decent wage, workers rights and the ability to plan for the future, do not fill such imaginary positions with forced labour. It is sickening

TBP

The people that were sponging off the state for the longest or the ones that were at it during the Celtic Tiger when there was any amount of work out there should be the ones that be targeted or put out to work on these schemes first. It can't be that hard for the powers that be to figure out who they are. I've no problem in going out and doing whatever the hell it is they want me to do but after working and paying taxes for 25 odd years and now through no fault of my own just gone 14 mths on jobseekers allowance I'm going to be put out to work on this TUS scheme. Meanwhile I could name 2 dozen muppets off the top of my head that have never worked a day in their lives and are more than capable of doing so that are still being ignored or let get away with it.

dharma200

Yep, you are probably an easy target, safe option for a scheme designed for nothing but exploitation if people and stats. I truly hope you aren't forced into this degrading scheme.

dharma200

These schemes should be stopped. Simple. Next it will be work houses.

davlacey

+1 on that dharma. i agree that long term unemployed should be made do something. but having people with trades going around picking up rubbish in the local gaa grounds is ridiculous.they should be building council houses and using anyone with a trade to build them.

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dodzy

dharma200 wrote: »

These schemes should be stopped. Simple. Next it will be work houses.

davlacey wrote: »

yea but stopping money to me is one thing but to stop the whole claim is madness because someone doesnt want to work for 1 euro an hour

Out of interest, how long have you folks been unemployed ?

davlacey

ive been out about 18 months.

dharma200

dodzy wrote: »

Out of interest, how long have you folks been unemployed ?

I'm not unemployed, I just hate this kind of exploitation.

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MouseTail

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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That is not true, participants on TUS are long term unemployed, and on Gateway structurally unemployed who have not self activated. Newest entrants, and those most likely to activate are actually left alone.

MouseTail

MouseTail wrote: »

That is not true, participants on TUS are long term unemployed, and on Gateway structurally unemployed who have not self activated. Newest entrants, and those most likely to activate are actually left alone.

Well said, MouseTail. The days of expecting something for nothing are over. It isn't fair to hard working tax payers to have their money taken out of their wages every week and handed over to people who just expect to hold their hand out. If one hasn't been on a TUS, Ce, JobBridge or other scheme, then they've no right to put them down. If they tried one, they just might be pleasently surprised by the satisfaction of helping others less fortunate, by making new friends, new contacts and getting back into the swing of working again. Going on those schemes, one has no illusions of being kept on. You know the timeframe and it's up to yourself to make the most of it.

dodzy

dharma200 wrote: »

I'm not unemployed, I just hate this kind of exploitation.

You're like a dog with a bone. I could give you stats of 20% Tus participants actually getting work during or immediately following their placement. But you'll just spat out the same sh1te: "slave labour/ work for a euro an hour". The majority, and I mean 80+ % of people that I know who have completed the Programme would tell you that they have benefited, be that work, a gap filler on a CV, experience, meeting new people, a purpose, a routine etc, but that would be wasted on you. Your mind is made up.

davlacey

are you a supervisor for them? i know people doing this programmme that are miserable and embarassed often slagged. placements might be better in towns but where i live its litter or trimming bushes. as for being long term unemployed most of the lads have trades here and when they leave this scheme are put on computer coarses that they will never need.

somuchlove

dodzy wrote: »

You're like a dog with a bone. I could give you stats of 20% Tus participants actually getting work during or immediately following their placement. But you'll just spat out the same sh1te: "slave labour/ work for a euro an hour". The majority, and I mean 80+ % of people that I know who have completed the Programme would tell you that they have benefited, be that work, a gap filler on a CV, experience, meeting new people, a purpose, a routine etc, but that would be wasted on you. Your mind is made up.

Would like you to read what you wrote?

You must work with this program, if not then why should you have any say over
people that are really doing these programs and trying to talk down people ?

dodzy

davlacey wrote: »

are you a supervisor for them? i know people doing this programmme that are miserable and embarassed often slagged. placements might be better in towns but where i live its litter or trimming bushes. as for being long term unemployed most of the lads have trades here and when they leave this scheme are put on computer coarses that they will never need.

FWIW, yes, I am. I was on the programme. Unemployed for 14mths, got the call, said "what the hell", took up a position as I.T support / admin type role, 3mths in the post came up, applied for it, got it. No regrets.

That said, I feel sorry for you / your area if what your saying is true. My other post is not BS. It's fact.

somuchlove wrote: »

Would like you to read what you wrote?

You must work with this program, if not then why should you have any say over
people that are really doing these programs and trying to talk down people ?

Your post is crap. Neither I, nor my colleagues (2 of which were in the same boat as I - on Tus, now working) ever talk down to participants. you do of course get the slackers who just want to get back to the pub and the bookies ASAP, and for those, it's the door and return referral. Fcked if I'm wasting my time with these when there are so many out there who genuinely want to do something and need the support.

I'm not saying that this programme is the be all and end all, but what I am saying is that it has, and will continue to, help people.

And my stats of 20% placement are correct. Not a bad number in this climate.

TBP

MouseTail wrote: »

That is not true, participants on TUS are long term unemployed, and on Gateway structurally unemployed who have not self activated. Newest entrants, and those most likely to activate are actually left alone.

dodzy the TUS supervisor here was only unemployed for 14 months so what you're saying isn't true at all. Since we're gone all factual and statistical here on this thread now I just thought I'd point that out.

Like I said in my previous post I could name 2 dozen people that were sponging off the state during the Celtic Tiger and are still sponging off the state. At the same time I know of people including myself that aren't out of work that long at all are getting called up to work on these schemes.

dodzy and co. could do with having a look at how they do things me thinks, I wouldn't be holding my breath though.

dodzy

TBP wrote: »

dodzy the TUS supervisor here was only unemployed for 14 months so what you're saying isn't true at all. Since we're gone all factual and statistical here on this thread now I just thought I'd point that out.

Like I said in my previous post I could name 2 dozen people that were sponging off the state during the Celtic Tiger and are still sponging off the state. At the same time I know of people including myself that aren't out of work that long at all are getting called up to work on these schemes.

dodzy and co. could do with having a look at how they do things me thinks, I wouldn't be holding my breath though.

dodzy & co have no input into the selection of participants. This is controlled by the Department and we are only forwarded those who expressed an interest in participating ( ticked the YES box ). We have always been told that the selection process is random, and with the several hundred that have come through our doors over the past 2yrs, believe me when I say that it is just that. I've had everything from 13 mths out of work to 50+ yr olds that have never worked. Male / female, multiple nationalities. A real mixed bag. But as I've said before, a definite majority who actually want to be doing something, in some cases they will openly say "I'll do anything" and in most cases, it's purely to get back into a routine / have a reason for getting out of bed in the morning.

I've had guys in their mid - late 30s who have never held a bank account, driving licence, passport. In my experience, it has helped many and I'll stand over that.

TBP

dodzy wrote: »

dodzy & co have no input into the selection of participants. This is controlled by the Department and we are only forwarded those who expressed an interest in participating ( ticked the YES box ). We have always been told that the selection process is random, and with the several hundred that have come through our doors over the past 2yrs, believe me when I say that it is just that. I've had everything from 13 mths out of work to 50+ yr olds that have never worked. Male / female, multiple nationalities. A real mixed bag. But as I've said before, a definite majority who actually want to be doing something, in some cases they will openly say "I'll do anything" and in most cases, it's purely to get back into a routine / have a reason for getting out of bed in the morning.

I've had guys in their mid - late 30s who have never held a bank account, driving licence, passport. In my experience, it has helped many and I'll stand over that.

So what I said in my reply to MouseTail was more or less spot on then.

I spotted your reply to me before the edit as well btw, no need to be a smartarse is all I'll say.

MouseTail

TBP wrote: »

So what I said in my reply to MouseTail was more or less spot on then.

I spotted your reply to me before the edit as well btw, no need to be a smartarse is all I'll say.

Its random, amongst those LTU. No one ever said it wasnt

dodzy

TBP wrote: »

So what I said in my reply to MouseTail was more or less spot on then.

No, it wasn't. Your reply implies that new entrants are getting selected while long terms are left alone.

TBP wrote: »

I spotted your reply to me before the edit as well btw, no need to be a smartarse is all I'll say.

apologies, I misread your post. I thought that you were directing mouse tails reply to me. I realised my error and edited.

Backstreet Moyes

I know somebody who has never worked in his life and drinks cheap cider every day of the week. He got the letter and was called in for a meeting. He said he had no interest in any scheme because he was an alcoholic and he never heard anything again about a job or any penalties for saying no. It's what sickens me is people like this get away with everything. Then people who are soft get forced into unsuitable placements from fear of getting their payments cut.

dodzy

Nuts102 wrote: »

I know somebody who has never worked in his life and drinks cheap cider every day of the week. He got the letter and was called in for a meeting. He said he had no interest in any scheme because he was an alcoholic and he never heard anything again about a job or any penalties for saying no. It's what sickens me is people like this get away with everything. Then people who are soft get forced into unsuitable placements from fear of getting their payments cut.

Unfortunate reality nuts. It happens, and it is very annoying to say the least. As a supervisor, you have a responsibility to the host organisation also. No point in sending them a lemon who will scupper the placement at every juncture. In that particular instance, yer man is definitely not GSW (genuinely seeking work), and if it was me, he'd be referred back to the DSP as "not placeable". It's up to the Department after that. Oh, and we don't force anyone into an unsuitable placement.

Backstreet Moyes

dodzy wrote: »

Unfortunate reality nuts. It happens, and it is very annoying to say the least. As a supervisor, you have a responsibility to the host organisation also. No point in sending them a lemon who will scupper the placement at every juncture. In that particular instance, yer man is definitely not GSW (genuinely seeking work), and if it was me, he'd be referred back to the DSP as "not placeable". It's up to the Department after that. Oh, and we don't force anyone into an unsuitable placement.

I know it's not your fault that these people get away with it. I can understand that you don't want to send this type of person to a host organisation but i think their should be more done on both sides. I don't know how much contact you have with the DSP so you may not be able to do much but for people like this you should highlight these to the DSP as people not interested in work and their should be something done about it. The attitude seems to be that they are lost causes so we will just leave them off and people genuinely looking for work and are struggling with bills get called in by the DSP.

Myself i done 4 years for a Finance Degree and worked a few months in an office before being left go. I was happy to try get some experience through TUS but i got offered nothing suitable. All Finance jobs i was offered were Admin work something personally i just wouldn't be suited too. I keep the head down and do the work but i am say a shy person and dealing with people all day was not something i wanted. At first the Supervisor was fine but eventually i was told if i don't pick up something i will have to go back to the labour and it won't look good. Personally to me that felt like i was someway forced into an admin job i knew i would hate and wouldn't be suitable. I know you probably have a quota to fill i think the idea could work but i think it needs changes.

Nuts102

Nuts102 wrote: »

I know somebody who has never worked in his life and drinks cheap cider every day of the week. He got the letter and was called in for a meeting. He said he had no interest in any scheme because he was an alcoholic and he never heard anything again about a job or any penalties for saying no. It's what sickens me is people like this get away with everything. Then people who are soft get forced into unsuitable placements from fear of getting their payments cut.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that there is a sizeable number of people who are unemployable. Often through no fault of their own. They lack the social skills necessary to hold down a job. For some of these, the support offered by CE and TUS Schemes is fantastic. There are others like the example you gave who should really have their money cut, but as he said, he's got a problem and unfortunately, no one can argue with that!

Ireland..

Hey,
can anyone tell me were I can write to or phone to see what work placements are available in my local area?

I live in South Dublin

I can't find much info online and it's making me worry about what I will be asked to do.

Thanks

jos22

Ireland.. wrote: »

Hey,
can anyone tell me were I can write to or phone to see what work placements are available in my local area?

I live in South Dublin

I can't find much info online and it's making me worry about what I will be asked to do.

Thanks

the Place that admins the scheme for your local area would be able to tell you,

MouseTail

jos22 wrote: »

the Place that admins the scheme for your local area would be able to tell you,

In an area like South Dublin there should be a wide choice of placements available to the Placement Officers. There will be a plethora of community groups, and placements could vary from physical work and caretaking, to digital media and IT, to reception and admin to youth and childcare work. Everything and anything really. Be clear about what you would like to get out of your placement in terms of experience, and also what you can offer them in terms of skills.

dodzy

Ireland.. wrote: »

Hey,
can anyone tell me were I can write to or phone to see what work placements are available in my local area?

I live in South Dublin

I can't find much info online and it's making me worry about what I will be asked to do.

Thanks

Were you selected for the Programme ? i.e. Did you receive a letter from DSP ?