Amnesty for the 30,000 illegals in Ireland

Galwayguy35 · 19-03-2014 07:20AM #1

There was a FG guy and someone from the Immigrants Council of Ireland on the Vincent Browne show last night proposing this idea.

They maintain it will get all party support, but it seems to me to be giving a reward to people who broke the law.

Any views on this?

rab!dmonkey · 19-03-2014 07:25AM

There is no way this will fly, but it does make a nice counter-point to the quest for amnesty for Irish illegals in the US.

bumper234 · 19-03-2014 07:29AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There was a FG guy and someone from the Immigrants Council of Ireland on the Vincent Browne show last night proposing this idea.

They maintain it will get all party support, but it seems to me to be giving a reward to people who broke the law.

Any views on this?

Enda Kenny over in the states asking for immunity for the thousands of illegal Irish (who broke the law) over there.........Ireland should lead by example if they want other countries to implement an amnesty.

The Aussie · 19-03-2014 07:41AM

Can I break a Law and it be forgiven as well, I mean defrauding a Bank sounds like a victimless crime (LOL) ok set to it Lads, I mean what's the point in having laws if there is no comeback.

Catch them and boot them, including the undocumented in the US and the Tiger Cubs in Oz.

Arthur Beesley · 19-03-2014 07:43AM

The Aussie wrote: »

Can I break a Law and it be forgiven as well, I mean defrauding a Bank sounds like a victimless crime (LOL) ok set to it Lads, I mean what's the point in having laws if there is no comeback.

Catch them and boot them, including the undocumented in the US and the Tiger Cubs in Oz.

Agreed. Send these undesirables packing.

Turtyturd · 19-03-2014 07:50AM

The 30,000 undocumented surely?

The Aussie · 19-03-2014 07:50AM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Agreed. Send these undesirables packing.

It is a double edged sword though, we have to take this Toe Jam back as well....

Ian Cronin is in a race against time to convince Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to let him stay here with his family.
The Department of Immigration and Border Protection (DIBP) refused to grant him a bridging visa after he failed a character test. He has been in detention since June of last year.
“I have hit the bottom of the barrel here – losing my family is the worst thing that could happen,” the father told the Irish Echo from Perth Immigration Detention Centre this week.
After being refused a visa the painter and decorator from Douglas, Co Cork, took his fight to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal of Australia (AAT) which last month found he should not be refused on the basis of his character test.
The 31-year-old has a number of convictions and was sentenced to four years in prison for assault causing serious harm committed in 2002.
Despite acknowledging the negative impact his deportation would have on his partner Krystel, son and step-son DIBP found the protection of the Australian community outweighed the best interests of the children.
However, on January 23 the AAT ruled that “the low risk of future harm by the applicant is a risk which the Australian community, having regard to all the circumstances of the case, should be prepared to tolerate”.
But this week the Minister directly intervened and decided to overrule the decision of the court, and the crime which he committed in Cork in 2002 was cited as the main reason.

“My stepson also wants me back home. He calls me daddy as well, he always brags to his friends that he has two daddies. They don’t seem to care that there are kids out there, Krystal is now an Australian mother who is now raising two kids on her own when she could be supported by her partner.

The Cork native was fined in Australia for driving unlicensed vehicles, driving over the limit and common assault on his partner. He has remained in Australia since his visa expired in August 2011. He said he has previously attended rehab but dropped out of the programme but is now committed to staying sober for his family.
“I am fully aware of my past offending behaviour and I am not proud of what I have done in the past.
“I know this is my last chance to keep my family together,” Mr Cronin told the Irish Echo.

http://www.irishecho.com.au/tag/ian-cronin

Banjo String · 19-03-2014 07:54AM

If they would send the guys home that hang around my car at traffic lights on the longmile road/Naas Road junction with their coke cups begging for money, or the ones with the squeeqies and dirty water at the nangor/Naas Road who think they're cleaning my windows, but are actually making them dirtier, then stand looking in Window outraged that I won't contribute to their begging/scamming home. That'd be fine and dandy with me.

And after that, they could send the bitches that harass and nearly hang out of me looking for cash at the ATMS That'd be nice too.

The lads/ladies doing an honest days pay I have no problem with.

I'm a simple man. I'm easily pleased.

Arthur Beesley · 19-03-2014 07:54AM

The Aussie wrote: »

It is a double edged sword though, we have to take this Toe Jam back as well....

http://www.irishecho.com.au/tag/ian-cronin

That's life. No reason Australia should have to put up with him.

The Aussie · 19-03-2014 08:01AM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

That's life. No reason Australia should have to put up with him.

Can we not drop him off half way???

I mean I live in Cork, I don't want to have to see his squat gapped tooth head.

Arthur Beesley · 19-03-2014 08:42AM

The Aussie wrote: »

Can we not drop him off half way???

I mean I live in Cork, I don't want to have to see his squat gapped tooth head.

I'd support that petition.

keeponhurling · 19-03-2014 09:39AM

How would the amnesty in Ireland work?

Is it like
1) Leave now and there'll be no questions asked at the airport on your way out, and you're not necessarily disqualified from ever applying for an Irish visa again, or
2) You can all stay now, here's your passports, Céad Míle Fáilte

Not sure I'd entirely agree with no. 2

keeponhurling · 19-03-2014 09:41AM

The Aussie wrote: »

It is a double edged sword though, we have to take this Toe Jam back as well....

http://www.irishecho.com.au/tag/ian-cronin

Sounds like a right feen, boi

biko · 19-03-2014 10:00AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

The 30,000 undocumented surely?

Undocumented is a madey-up word so lefties can refer to illegals without saying "illegal".
You can also say "right-to-remain challenged".

Amnesty for illegals often get support from left and right. From left because it's humane to let people get a chance at a better life than back home.
From the right because illegals are cheap labour, way cheaper than Irish.

Grand Moff Tarkin · 19-03-2014 10:23AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Sounds like a right feen, boi

He is scum.

Annasopra · 19-03-2014 10:24AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There was a FG guy and someone from the Immigrants Council of Ireland on the Vincent Browne show last night proposing this idea.

They maintain it will get all party support, but it seems to me to be giving a reward to people who broke the law.

Any views on this?

It's an earned regularisation scheme not an Amnesty

www.mrci.ie/our-work/rights-for-undocumented/campaign/earned-regularisation-scheme/

I think its a great idea.

miss no stars · 19-03-2014 10:29AM

I think it's wrong to just allow people who are here illegally to remain here. Same goes for Irish people living illegally elsewhere in the world.

Why? They broke the law. They're criminals. If they were fleeing from something genuine they'd have been granted assylum. Like, let's all welcome criminals into the country with open arms? Wtf?! I've no problem with immigration provided those who come here are willing to work and contribute and will fit in with Ireland and our way of life, as well as bringing some of their culture and traditions with them. I think the country is better off for having those people here. But people who are here illegally? Fcuk off.

Edit: just saw the link in the post above... Not so bad as an outright amnesty tbh. I would like to see the requirements include something like passing a background check (no criminal convictions with a sentence over a year as with the ozzies) and that they entered the country in a legal manner and can provide proof of such (i.e. have a stamp in their passport but remained beyond their intended "holiday")

Annasopra · 19-03-2014 10:33AM

miss no stars wrote: »

I think it's wrong to just allow people who are here illegally to remain here. Same goes for Irish people living illegally elsewhere in the world.

Why? They broke the law. They're criminals. If they were fleeing from something genuine they'd have been granted assylum. Like, let's all welcome criminals into the country with open arms? Wtf?! I've no problem with immigration provided those who come here are willing to work and contribute and will fit in with Ireland and our way of life, as well as bringing some of their culture and traditions with them. I think the country is better off for having those people here. But people who are here illegally? Fcuk off.

Are undocumented Irish people in Australia or America criminals?

miss no stars · 19-03-2014 10:35AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Are undocumented Irish people in Australia or America criminals?

Yes

Annasopra · 19-03-2014 10:36AM

miss no stars wrote: »

I've no problem with immigration provided those who come here are willing to work and contribute and will fit in with Ireland and our way of life, as well as bringing some of their culture and traditions with them. I think the country is better off for having those people here.

Thats exactly why I support MRCIs earned regularisation scheme

miss no stars · 19-03-2014 10:37AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Thats exactly why I support MRCIs earned regularisation scheme

Yeah and if you look you'll see that you posted the link while I was typing my first reply to this thread. I went back, read it, thought about it and edited my post accordingly...

Annasopra · 19-03-2014 10:38AM

miss no stars wrote: »

Yes

Right well then your position doesn't make sense - Throw immigrant "criminals" out but replace them with Irish "criminals"

Annasopra · 19-03-2014 10:40AM

miss no stars wrote: »

Yeah and if you look you'll see that you posted the link while I was typing my first reply to this thread. I went back, read it, thought about it and edited my post accordingly...

Have a read through the pdf

www.mrci.ie/resources/publications/policy-briefing-papers-submissions/regularisation-of-undocumented-migrants/

miss no stars · 19-03-2014 10:42AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Right well then your position doesn't make sense - Throw immigrant "criminals" out but replace them with Irish "criminals"

?

Unfortunately Irish people are Ireland's responsibility. If they break the law elsewhere and are repatriated to Ireland well then they're our problem. But they're still criminals. It is an offence to not meet the terms of a visa. They didn't meet the terms of their visa. Or they entered through illegal means. They are there illegally (Irish abroad and illegals here). That means that they've broken the law and, hence, are criminals. People coming here to whom we have no responsibility and who break our laws... Remove them. Not our problem. And I'm not talking about people who have genuine reasons to flee their home country.

Edit: either remove them or bring in a very strict scheme for them to stay. No benefits, either, for the first couple of years here. There has to be some sort of a sting to breaking the law and a small fine isn't good enough.

conorhal · 19-03-2014 10:50AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There was a FG guy and someone from the Immigrants Council of Ireland on the Vincent Browne show last night proposing this idea.

They maintain it will get all party support, but it seems to me to be giving a reward to people who broke the law.

Any views on this?

Isn't Shatter effectively handing this out, thousands at a time every few months at citizen ceremonies at which people get naturalised?
There seems an unseemly rush to process applicants who have no real basis for an application

sillyoulfool · 19-03-2014 10:51AM

conorhal wrote: »

Isn't Shatter effectively handing this out, thousands at a time every few months at citizen ceremonies at which people get naturalised?

No he isn't.
Those being granted citizenship, by definition, are here legally and are fully documented.

hfallada · 19-03-2014 10:54AM

There is no comparison between Irish illegals in the US and illegals living in Ireland. Irish illegals have been in the us for years and some since 1980s. They probably went as most of their family was in the us. They have built families in the us and have integrated into us life. They are practically American

But illegals living in Ireland came here in the last couple of years on their own. They have no families here. They have no connection to Ireland at all. They haven't integrated into Irish life in anyway

conorhal · 19-03-2014 10:55AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

No he isn't.
Those being granted citizenship, by definition, are here legally and are fully documented.

Then why do so many new citizens turn up at the pasport office without sufficient documentation to apply for one? If you think there's anything rigorous about the process you're kidding yourself. It's as disfunctional as every other system in the country and many granted citizenship get it with false identities and few questions asked.

sillyoulfool · 19-03-2014 10:58AM

conorhal wrote: »

Then why do so many new citizens turn up at the pasport office without sufficient documentation to apply for one? If you think there's anything rigorous about the process you're kidding yourself. It's as disfunctional as every other system in the country and many granted citizenship get it with false identities and few questions asked.

*Yawns*

Dyr · 19-03-2014 11:02AM

Can we arrange an illegals exchange program? We take ours back - they take theirs

conorhal · 19-03-2014 11:07AM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

*Yawns*

That's a very effective and concise description of government policy. You don't work for the DOJ by any chance?

Amnesty for the 30,000 illegals in Ireland

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