FF TD "fed up" with critiscism

SpaceTime · 13-03-2014 11:42AM

Oh the poor sensitive dears!

Imagine having to face public scorn and criticism? All they did was preside over an economic crash and then had to resort to putting the country into IMF and EU administration.

I mean the cheek of those nasty voters to be annoyed with them about it.

cletus van damme · 13-03-2014 02:43PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

And Barry Cowen I am sick of unsuitable candidates being pushed forward by their parties just because they have the same second name as the guy who came before him. Who are you anyway? I lived in Offaly for a while and never saw your name on a ballot paper until big bro got chased out of office with his tail between his legs. Big bro who got into politics because Daddy was also a TD.
How is an auctioneer qualified to be a legislator anyway

Does Offaly have hereditary title?
They have a track record of voting for the family of former TDs. Add Olwyn Enright and Charlie Flanagan to the list.
Seems all a TD needs is the right second name. Who needs to study when you have a guaranteed route to parliament.

he has as much right to run as anybody.
I for one want to be ruled by a selection of society and not some class of super intellectuals.

The simpsons parody on when the learned ruled springfield is quite apt.
anybody who demands economists and other special people legislate are making a rod for their own backs.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-03-2014 02:54PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

no but i expect them to have constructive ideas and solutions instead of their "fianna Fail did it" mantra

Sounds like the classic "an older boy made me do it".

nc6000 wrote: »

No, of course not. But I think it's about time they stopped blaming the last crowd for everything.

Last I heard they doing a reasonable job. Yes, there were a lot of unpopular decisions, but they were decisions that had to be made. When people ask "why?" what do you expect them to say? And how do you expect them to respond the party that caused the mess constantly criticises the clean-up efforts?

Aongus Von Bismarck · 13-03-2014 02:59PM

I'd have quite a bit of sympathy for Barry's position to be fair. I'm sure it does get tiring listening to the government and the people whining and droning on. FF are just a scapegoat. They just provided the policies the people voted for. People refuse to accept responsibility for fueling the bubble, but they're equally as culpable.

However, thankfully people seem to be moving on now. FF is a party on the rise. It will always be a strong political force in Irish politics. This is because it is made up of REAL people. Your local publican, your local school headmaster, the solicitor and the man who trains the local GAA team.

I predict a victory for FF and a FF/SF coalition in the next election.

Idbatterim · 13-03-2014 03:02PM

Your local publican, your local school headmaster, the solicitor and the man who trains the local GAA team.

Yeah electing these people to run a country, is probably where we went wrong!

Aongus Von Bismarck · 13-03-2014 03:08PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Yeah electing these people to run a country, is probably where we went wrong!

I'd trust someone I know personally, who has the communities interest at heart a lot more than some sheltered know-all who spent their lives involved in student and youth politics.

FF has always been about representing the people, they are not an aloof party like the elitist blueshirts, and that's why they will always rise to the top.

keeponhurling · 13-03-2014 03:12PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

FF are just a scapegoat. They just provided the policies the people voted for. People refuse to accept responsibility for fueling the bubble, but they're equally as culpable.

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Nonsense, they are not just a scapegoat.
Cushy relationships with banks, poor regulation, Cowen playing golf with Seanie Fitz and the like, a minister for finance who hadn't a clue, lying about the IMF even after they were here, people did not vote for that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-03-2014 03:14PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

However, thankfully people seem to be moving on now. FF is a party on the rise. It will always be a strong political force in Irish politics. This is because it is made up of REAL people. Your local publican, your local school headmaster, the solicitor and the man who trains the local GAA team.

Are you serious? They are anything but real people. They are the banker, the insurance broker, the property developer who are only interrested in their own pockets.

I predict a victory for FF and a FF/SF coalition in the next election.

I seriously hope that the Irish electorate are not stupid enough to fall for the same illusion twice, and if they are I'll have little sympathy for them.

There's a definition of stupidity - doign the same thing again and expecting a different result.

Ace2007 · 13-03-2014 03:16PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nonsense, they are not just a scapegoat.
Cushy relationships with banks, poor regulation, Cowen playing golf with Seanie Fitz and the like, a minister for finance who hadn't a clue, lying about the IMF even after they were here, people did not vote for that.

Did you vote for what FG/Labour have given us?

Pawwed Rig · 13-03-2014 03:17PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

There's a definition of stupidity - doign the same thing again and expecting a different result.

Unfortunately there are not too many options available. FG and FF are pretty much identical, Labour seems to actively seek to annoy their voters, SF have too much blood on their hands so the only options are independents.

Gambas · 13-03-2014 03:18PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

However, thankfully people seem to be moving on now. FF is a party on the rise. It will always be a strong political force in Irish politics. This is because it is made up of REAL people. Your local publican, your local school headmaster, the solicitor and the man who trains the local GAA team.

The majority of people in Ireland now live in urban areas, not some 1950's caricature village with the local PP, the undertaker/solicitor/publican, the master
and the odd fella that shouts at goats and goes around with his hands down the front of his pants who is really just 'a harmless auld cratur'. Good luck with the FF campaign to bring us back to the 50's all the same.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 13-03-2014 03:20PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nonsense, they are not just a scapegoat.
Cushy relationships with banks, poor regulation, Cowen playing golf with Seanie Fitz and the like, a minister for finance who hadn't a clue, lying about the IMF even after they were here, people did not vote for that.

I don't recall too many people complaining prior to 2008? Everyone seemed very happy with what was going on. FF implemented policies which they're constituents asked for. Was it short-sighted looking back? Yes. Has FF learned from the mistakes of the past? Absolutely.

People seem to focus on the last year or two when things were falling apart. What about the previous decade when Ireland became a major economic force, thanks to astute politicians like Charlie McCreevy.

People have enough of the blueshirts, and are beginning to see FF as a real alternative. Its starting at a grassroots level and I predict a huge increase for FF in the local and European elections.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-03-2014 03:21PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Unfortunately there are not too many options available. FG and FF are pretty much identical, Labour seems to actively seek to annoy their voters, SF have too much blood on their hands so the only options are independents.

Actually, there is. Until such a time as FG are seen to be bankrupting the country in the same way. At that point, you still have a choice. Vote or civil disobediance.

ArmaniJeanss · 13-03-2014 03:23PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I don't recall too many people complaining prior to 2008? Everyone seemed very happy with what was going on. FF implemented policies which they're constituents asked for. Was it short-sighted looking back? Yes. Has FF learned from the mistakes of the past? Absolutely.

People seem to focus on the last year or two when things were falling apart. What about the previous decade when Ireland became a major economic force, thanks to astute politicians like Charlie McCreevy.

You are playing a stormer - I see in another thread you were talking about the debt that the state owes the church, and how 86% of Irish are confirmed Catholics.
Happy fishing.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-03-2014 03:24PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'd trust someone I know personally, who has the communities interest at heart a lot more than some sheltered know-all who spent their lives involved in student and youth politics.

FF has always been about representing the people, they are not an aloof party like the elitist blueshirts, and that's why they will always rise to the top.

thats whats wrong with this country

parish pump gobdaws with no national vision for Ireland

Gambas · 13-03-2014 03:25PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Did you vote for what FG/Labour have given us?

You mean and end to the crisis management and the start of economic recovery? Yeah. Anyone who voted on any issue more granular than that wasn't paying attention.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-03-2014 03:25PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Yes. Has FF learned from the mistakes of the past? Absolutely.

What in teh hell are you basing that on?

People seem to focus on the last year or two when things were falling apart. What about the previous decade when Ireland became a major economic force, thanks to astute politicians like Charlie McCreevy.

Isn't he the one who refused to invest the incomes back into society and refused to regulate the financial sector?

Srryy, Aongus, but you're beginnign to sound like a FF shill here - they kind of guy who votes for the asme party no matter what. And THAT is what will get the country into a mess.

Davarus Walrus · 13-03-2014 03:26PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I don't recall too many people complaining prior to 2008? Everyone seemed very happy with what was going on. FF implemented policies which they're constituents asked for. Was it short-sighted looking back? Yes. Has FF learned from the mistakes of the past? Absolutely.

People seem to focus on the last year or two when things were falling apart. What about the previous decade when Ireland became a major economic force, thanks to astute politicians like Charlie McCreevy.

People have enough of the blueshirts, and are beginning to see FF as a real alternative. Its starting at a grassroots level and I predict a huge increase for FF in the local and European elections.

It didn't take long for you lads to stick on the sunglasses of revisionism. Once you've finished worshiping in the Temple of Bertie, you might take a look to see which Government implemented the low corporation tax rate.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 13-03-2014 03:26PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

You are playing a stormer - I see in another thread you were talking about the debt that the state owes the church, and how 86% of Irish are confirmed Catholics.
Happy fishing.

84%

That is a statistical fact my friend.

The Catholic church educated generations of Irish people when the state was not in a position to. Its a fact people want to forget now. If it wasn't for the church Ireland would have been an illiterate backwater for centuries. Not just Irish people in fact, but poor people all over the world have been educated by Irish priests who travelled far and wide to help the poor.

However, that's for another thread.

aoraki · 13-03-2014 03:27PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'd have quite a bit of sympathy for Barry's position to be fair. I'm sure it does get tiring listening to the government and the people whining and droning on. FF are just a scapegoat. They just provided the policies the people voted for. People refuse to accept responsibility for fueling the bubble, but they're equally as culpable.

However, thankfully people seem to be moving on now. FF is a party on the rise. It will always be a strong political force in Irish politics. This is because it is made up of REAL people. Your local publican, your local school headmaster, the solicitor and the man who trains the local GAA team.

I predict a victory for FF and a FF/SF coalition in the next election.

Aww, poor FF being made scapegoats, and poor Barry "my big brother was the boss man" Cowen having to put up with all that nasty criticism.

Fianna Fail are still getting criticism because they they took over a thriving economy and mismanaged it such a huge extent that by 2008 the IMF had to be called in with the entire banking system and economy being on the on verge of collapse. Through a mixture of gross incompetence and corruption they converted a generation of people into a huge meal ticket for themselves, their supporters and their developer and banking buddies. They took the big wages and pensions and didn't give a flying f&ck what they left behind. A lot of normal people who just wanted to buy a house to start a family in like their parents did before them are now shouldering crippling debts, that they'll be shouldering for a long time to come (30 years or thereabouts). This is due to a property bubble that FF helped inflate through policy, the political advantages it gave to them, and a lack of regulation. FF left behind such a complete and utter cluster-f that the only options left to the incoming government were absolutely appalling ones. I am no supporter of the current government by any stretch of the imagination, but I genuinely do not envy anybody having to take on the situation that was in place by 2011.

They are the facts and that is their legacy. Sorry it doesn't tally with your rose-tinted biased version of events. Is that the latest scripted responses they're handing out now in "Cumann" meetings?

It's lucky that's it's only criticism they're getting. If this country had a decent set of white-collar crime laws, that shower would be facing a lot more than "criticism". And if this country was in Africa for example, they'd probably get the Col Gaddafi treatment. Good enough for the ****s IMO.

So suck it up, because the problems created by FF are not going away any time soon.

Gambas · 13-03-2014 03:29PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Unfortunately there are not too many options available. FG and FF are pretty much identical, Labour seems to actively seek to annoy their voters, SF have too much blood on their hands so the only options are independents.

The independents* are effectively an unaccountable FF - beholden to special interests and have no interest in national governance or the main body of legislation.

*excluding the socialist types.

Gambas · 13-03-2014 03:32PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

84%

That is a statistical fact my friend.

The Catholic church educated generations of Irish people when the state was not in a position to. Its a fact people want to forget now. If it wasn't for the church Ireland would have been an illiterate backwater for centuries. Not just Irish people in fact, but poor people all over the world have been educated by Irish priests who travelled far and wide to help the poor.

However, that's for another thread.

So if there was no church education, Ireland would have been unique in Europe as the only country without any education system. There you have it folks.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 13-03-2014 03:33PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

It didn't take long for you lads to stick on the sunglasses of revisionism. Once you've finished worshiping in the Temple of Bertie, you might take a look to see which Government implemented the low corporation tax rate.

Worshipping at the temple of Bertie??

Not really my friend. FF has moved away from the Dublin-led version of FF with Bertie at the helm. They are now going back to the roots of what FF is about, which is grasroot politics, where the party is involved with the issues affecting real people. The party was hijacked by the Drumcondra Mafia, but it, like the Phoneix has risen from the ashes.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 13-03-2014 03:34PM

Gambas wrote: »

So if there was no church education, Ireland would have been unique in Europe as the only country without any education system. There you have it folks.

Who would have educated the Irish? The Brits?

munchkin_utd · 13-03-2014 03:36PM

Gambas wrote: »

So if there was no church education, Ireland would have been unique in Europe as the only country without any education system. There you have it folks.

the government paid for most of those schools, and all of those wages, so to be honest if the church wasnt "providing" the education then the government would have just organised it themselves.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-03-2014 03:38PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

84%

That is a statistical fact my friend.

The Catholic church educated indoctrinated generations of Irish people when the state was not in a position to. Its a fact people want to forget now. If it wasn't for the church Ireland would have been an illiterate backwater for centuries. Not just Irish people in fact, but poor people all over the world have been educated by Irish priests who travelled far and wide to help the poor.

However, that's for another thread.

FYP.

ronjo · 13-03-2014 03:48PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'd trust someone I know personally, who has the communities interest at heart a lot more than some sheltered know-all who spent their lives involved in student and youth politics.

FF has always been about representing the people, they are not an aloof party like the elitist blueshirts, and that's why they will always rise to the top.

Are you for real???

TDs and the Goverment are there to run the country not the local community.
Thats what the local elections are for.

Thats just an idiotic statement.

Seedy Arling · 13-03-2014 04:05PM

ronjo wrote: »

Are you for real???

TDs and the Goverment are there to run the country not the local community.
Thats what the local elections are for.

Thats just an idiotic statement.

Ever heard of clientilism? It's what has politics in this country up it's own hole.

VinLieger · 13-03-2014 04:07PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

84%

That is a statistical fact my friend.

The Catholic church educated generations of Irish people when the state was not in a position to. Its a fact people want to forget now. If it wasn't for the church Ireland would have been an illiterate backwater for centuries. Not just Irish people in fact, but poor people all over the world have been educated by Irish priests who travelled far and wide to help the poor.

However, that's for another thread.

Lol a statistical fact of a census where atheism and agnosticism are not listed as choices at all? talk about a weighted question. Also what about the statistical fact that attendance rates in church are dropping below 30% nationwide?

catallus · 13-03-2014 04:10PM

The veil of amnesia that these privateer politicians are trying to cast over the eyes of the people will only be effective if it is not fought tooth and nail by those who can recall the wanton waste which was permitted by them.

FF TD "fed up" with critiscism

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