FF TD "fed up" with critiscism

donvito99 · 13-03-2014 02:45AM #1

Environment spokesman Barry Cowen said he was “fed up” listening to the Government’s “old mantra . . . ‘Oh, it’s all your fault and what we’ve inherited and what we did and what we did not do.’”

While he is correct in that the Gubberment does too often fall back to this argument, they did royally fúck up in the decade or so they were drunk at the wheel.

FF continues to be the 2nd largest party in the State, and while I have no time for any of them except for a couple of individual TDs and independents of course, FF STILL deserve to be singled out as the regurgitated cum bubbles who presided over a crippling episode that could have put us up there with those do-gooder Scandi's and their impeccable standards of living. They DESERVE to be resigned to the history books in the most humilating and painful way possible, and yet are destined to form the next Government with SF - of all people, christ - and so the cycle of bollocks continues again.

ALSO, Barry COWEN. Fúcking hell, it never ends.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/barry-cowen-fed-up-with-criticism-of-ff-administration-1.1722853

catallus · 13-03-2014 02:48AM

"Regurgitated cum bubbles" Ha!

Bipolar Joe · 13-03-2014 03:11AM

donvito99 wrote: »

regurgitated cum bubbles

I think I saw them live with Xenophobic Ejaculation and Spastic Burn Victim in '08.

foggy_lad · 13-03-2014 04:31AM

donvito99 wrote: »

and yet are destined to form the next Government with SF - of all people, christ - and so the cycle of bollocks continues again.

Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein, One famous for greed and corruption and the other world famous for murder and terrorism. that will be some bag of sh1te right there!

Also I thought Sinn Fein would never get into bed with Fianna Failed because they were so much better than the likes of Bertie and Brian and all their corrupt gambling cronies, but it seems they are looking to replace the greens as the latest sell outs in Irish politics, Bit of a strange path for so called republicans to sell out to the likes of Fianna Fail. But they are no different to the green party turncoats and will sellout all their principles just to get into the driving seat for a couple of days a month!

MadsL · 13-03-2014 05:40AM

Errr...resign then Barry. Or fuck off, or whatever. Like we care as you are utterly irrelevant as a TD.

pragmatic1 · 13-03-2014 06:21AM

He should resign then, like his brother should have done before he fcuked up our economy for maybe a decade.

Hootanany · 13-03-2014 09:09AM

FF are not the second biggest party SF are higher in the poles.

oldyouth · 13-03-2014 09:12AM

Hootanany wrote: »

FF are not the second biggest party SF are higher in the poles.

Only because they have bigger ladders when putting up their posters

Balmed Out · 13-03-2014 09:32AM

SF are the new FF. Vague promises of giving the electorate everything they want with a bow tied around it and people dont seem to stop and ask where have I heard all this before.

keeponhurling · 13-03-2014 09:37AM

Didn't take long to turn into another SF bashing thread.

Anyways back on topic, while the government do indeed love blaming everything on the previous government, FF don't have a leg to stand on.
They had many chances and ruined our country.
They haven't really done anything to reform either, current leader Michael Martin was part of the cabinet under Brian Cowen and Bertie.

keeponhurling · 13-03-2014 09:38AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Also I thought Sinn Fein would never get into bed with Fianna Failed because they were so much better than the likes of Bertie and Brian and all their corrupt gambling cronies, but it seems they are looking to replace the greens as the latest sell outs in Irish politics, Bit of a strange path for so called republicans to sell out to the likes of Fianna Fail. But they are no different to the green party turncoats and will sellout all their principles just to get into the driving seat for a couple of days a month!

How do you know all this, is that you Mystic Meg ?

cournioni · 13-03-2014 09:43AM

oldyouth wrote: »

Only because they have bigger ladders when putting up their posters

Yeah but only in Poland.

cournioni · 13-03-2014 09:45AM

Balmed Out wrote: »

SF are the new FF. Vague promises of giving the electorate everything they want with a bow tied around it and people dont seem to stop and ask where have I heard all this before.

In that case they are also the very same as Fine Gael and Labour. Why stop at Fianna Fail?

Balmed Out · 13-03-2014 10:04AM

cournioni wrote: »

In that case they are also the very same as Fine Gael and Labour. Why stop at Fianna Fail?

I dont think thats true, Fianna fail were far more likely to promise the sun the moon and the stars then any other party. Thats how they won elections. Since being decimated they seem to be doing that a bit less but Sinn Fein are more then happy to step into the void.

nc6000 · 13-03-2014 10:18AM

I'm in no way defending anything to do with FF but he has got a point. This nonsense about whinging on and on about the mess they were left to clean up is getting a bit dull now. They are 3 years in Government at this stage.

Pawwed Rig · 13-03-2014 10:22AM

nc6000 wrote: »

I'm in no way defending anything to do with FF but he has got a point. This nonsense about whinging on and on about the mess they were left to clean up is getting a bit dull now. They are 3 years in Government at this stage.

It is a big mess though. It will take about 20 years to clean it up properly or in the case of the miszoned estates 100 years.

keeponhurling · 13-03-2014 10:31AM

Have Fine Gael not just carried on pretty much as FF were doing, i.e. following the Troika's lead, doing what has to be done, paying the bondholders and taxing the people more?

I know they re-structured the debt, but the debt is still there.
That was perhaps a necessity that FF would have had to do anyways

vitani · 13-03-2014 10:32AM

nc6000 wrote: »

I'm in no way defending anything to do with FF but he has got a point. This nonsense about whinging on and on about the mess they were left to clean up is getting a bit dull now. They are 3 years in Government at this stage.

Yeah, I agree.

FF screwed up but FG in particular need to stop shoehorning this fact into everything.

It's all part of the wider problem with our government though. While there's such a focus on winning at the next election, neither side seem content to just get on with the job of actually running the country. It's all political point-scoring. I know that technically, we need an opposition to stop one side losing the run of themselves, but what actually happens is that they seem to just fight with each other for the sake of it and to boost their own profile.

Idbatterim · 13-03-2014 10:39AM

I dont believe leopards change their spots, do I think FG are perfect? no far from it, but if FF ever get in power here again and are given the keys to crash the car again, god help us all! another lost decade at least!!!

Gambas · 13-03-2014 10:46AM

vitani wrote: »

Yeah, I agree.

FF screwed up but FG in particular need to stop shoehorning this fact into everything.

Almost without exception this line that it was FF's mess in only trotted out be FG and Labour when a FFer criticises their running of the country. And that is fair enough in my book. FF aren't your regular opposition who just happen to have been unlucky to be out of office because of a fickle electorate after doing a reasonable job. They lost approx three quarters of their seats in the last general election because they had presided over an economic collapse that necessitated outside intervention from the IMF, ECB and EU. The fact that a few hillbillies here and there returned the likes of Barry Cowen doesn't give them any real mandate to hold this government to account. The are a few years away from that - at least one more general election, before the can credibly provide opposition.

Caliden · 13-03-2014 10:47AM

FG/Labour can only blame FF for so long before they have to start taking responcibility.

Reminds me of this quote from the movie Traffic:

...when they forced Khruschev out, he sat down and wrote two letters to his successor. He said - "When you get yourself into a situation you can't get out of, open the first letter, and you'll be safe.
When you get yourself into another situation you can't get out of, open the second letter".

Well, soon enough, this guy found himself into a tight place, so he opened the first letter. Which said - "Blame everything on me". So he blames the old man, it worked like a charm. He got himself into a second situation he couldn't get out of, he opened the second letter. It said - "Sit down, and write two letters".

Davarus Walrus · 13-03-2014 10:51AM

Caliden wrote: »

FG/Labour can only blame FF for so long before they have to start taking responcibility.

Reminds me of this quote from the movie Traffic:

I think if I was brought into run a company that had been almost ran into the ground through gross mismanagement and excess then I'd mention the cretins involved in doing so.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-03-2014 10:51AM

nc6000 wrote: »

I'm in no way defending anything to do with FF but he has got a point. This nonsense about whinging on and on about the mess they were left to clean up is getting a bit dull now. They are 3 years in Government at this stage.

Three years? You expect everything to be clened up in three years?!

cletus van damme · 13-03-2014 11:02AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Three years? You expect everything to be clened up in three years?!

no but i expect them to have constructive ideas and solutions instead of their "fianna Fail did it" mantra

Sounds like the classic "an older boy made me do it".

dr.bollocko · 13-03-2014 11:02AM

People will forget. And FF will promise things they can't deliver, just like every other party, and slowly but surely they'll be back in power and the great national forgetfulness will continue as parish pump politics wins out.

Roger_007 · 13-03-2014 11:09AM

How come nobody seems to blame the REAL culprits for the mess the country is in..........US.
Yes we the electorate, the plain people of Ireland, put our marks on our ballot papers and elected each and every one of the politicians of every party and none. And we keep on, election after election, electing the same people or the same sort of people.
We swallow all the same old promises as if we had never heard them before. The government we get is exactly what we deserve because we choose them.
The truth is we actually want politicians to pretend to cod us and we then pretend that we were codded. Then we can blame them when everything goes wrong.
In a democracy the ultimate responsibility lies with the people. They choose their leaders. If they make the wrong choice they have no one to blame but themselves.

Pawwed Rig · 13-03-2014 11:10AM

And Barry Cowen I am sick of unsuitable candidates being pushed forward by their parties just because they have the same second name as the guy who came before him. Who are you anyway? I lived in Offaly for a while and never saw your name on a ballot paper until big bro got chased out of office with his tail between his legs. Big bro who got into politics because Daddy was also a TD.
How is an auctioneer qualified to be a legislator anyway

Does Offaly have hereditary title?
They have a track record of voting for the family of former TDs. Add Olwyn Enright and Charlie Flanagan to the list.
Seems all a TD needs is the right second name. Who needs to study when you have a guaranteed route to parliament.

dr.bollocko · 13-03-2014 11:12AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

How come nobody seems to blame the REAL culprits for the mess the country is in..........US.
Yes we the electorate, the plain people of Ireland, put our marks on our ballot papers and elected each and every one of the politicians of every party and none. And we keep on, election after election, electing the same people or the same sort of people.
We swallow all the same old promises as if we had never heard them before. The government we get is exactly what we deserve because we choose them.
The truth is we actually want politicians to pretend to cod us and we then pretend that we were codded. Then we can blame them when everything goes wrong.
In a democracy the ultimate responsibility lies with the people. They choose their leaders. If they make the wrong choice they have no one to blame but themselves.

If FF had the neck to come out and say that they'd be buried for 100 years.

"Twas your fault for electing us lads. Ye knew we were cowboys!"

Roger_007 · 13-03-2014 11:14AM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

If FF had the neck to come out and say that they'd be buried for 100 years.

"Twas your fault for electing us lads. Ye knew we were cowboys!"

Yes, we DID know they were cowboys.........and elected them anyway.:eek:

nc6000 · 13-03-2014 11:18AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Three years? You expect everything to be clened up in three years?!

No, of course not. But I think it's about time they stopped blaming the last crowd for everything.

Davarus Walrus · 13-03-2014 11:36AM

nc6000 wrote: »

No, of course not. But I think it's about time they stopped blaming the last crowd for everything.

This is politics you understand? Not blaming the last crowd just doesn't happen.

That Machiavelli lad wrote about it in the 16th century.

FF TD "fed up" with critiscism

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