ground lime or granulated lime value for money

satstheway · 12-03-2014 01:38PM #1

What's the crack on lime? Granulated more expensive doesn't last very long but convenient. Ground lime cheaper last longer and not so easy to spread.

Has anyone worked out how much more expensive granulated is taking into account its short lifespan compared to ground?

Lastly how long in has ground lime to be on before the cows get on it. Weather was to wet until now and now cows be out in a couple weeks if weather holds.
If it can't be grazed quickly I may just go gran lime

bbam · 12-03-2014 03:47PM

If I remember correctly Gran Lime is four or five times more expensive to use.
But then I can get it on fields that the ground lime spreader would never get to.

ganmo · 12-03-2014 04:50PM

You could let the cows in straight away, they probably won't eat much though

reilig · 12-03-2014 04:51PM

Granulated lime is 180 per ton bulkspread or spread yourself.
Ground lime is about 25 per ton spread.
2 bags of gran lime is the equivalent of 1 ton of ground lime. Gran lime needs to be spread every year.

The only thing I can tell you is that if your soil needs lime then any fertiliser that you spread is up to 50% wasted so spreading lime in any form makes financial savings in the long term.

Gran lime can be spread at any stage whereas ground lime has rules about spreading fertilizer or slurry on top.

Ground lime also has a reputation of making heavy land softer after application.

Muckit · 12-03-2014 04:51PM

You can work away with the ground limestone even when they are in the field. Will do no harm at all so don't be fretting.

bbam · 12-03-2014 04:56PM

reilig wrote: »

Granulated lime is 180 per ton bulkspread or spread yourself.
Ground lime is about 25 per ton spread.
2 bags of gran lime is the equivalent of 1 ton of ground lime. Gran lime needs to be spread every year.

The only thing I can tell you is that if your soil needs lime then any fertiliser that you spread is up to 50% wasted so spreading lime in any form makes financial savings in the long term.

Gran lime can be spread at any stage whereas ground lime has rules about spreading fertilizer or slurry on top.

Ground lime also has a reputation of making heavy land softer after application.

I thought it was one bag same as a ton, but it's a few years since I checked.

micraX · 12-03-2014 07:27PM

bbam wrote: »

If I remember correctly Gran Lime is four or five times more expensive to use.
But then I can get it on fields that the ground lime spreader would never get to.

Shovel it off a trailer?

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 07:54PM

Use phisolith here.
Brilliant stuff. Spread two bags every year and it grows buckets of grass. Brings a load of trace elements too.
Our pH here was 5.3 I think.
6.6 and 6.7 now.
Could never afford to buy a big lit if lime so it was best way to do it.
Also no topping here. Cows will eat the cow pats there so sweet

TUBBY · 12-03-2014 08:31PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Use phisolith here.
Brilliant stuff. Spread two bags every year and it grows buckets of grass. Brings a load of trace elements too.
Our pH here was 5.3 I think.
6.6 and 6.7 now.
Could never afford to buy a big lit if lime so it was best way to do it.
Also no topping here. Cows will eat the cow pats there so sweet

how much a ton is it

Round Bale · 12-03-2014 08:34PM

TUBBY wrote: »

how much a ton is it

And what is it?
And where do you get it?
And can you spread with normal spreader?

bbam · 12-03-2014 08:38PM

Round Bale wrote: »

And what is it?
And where do you get it?
And can you spread with normal spreader?

http://www.grasslandagro.ie/products/fertilizers/soil-conditioner/physiolith/

Price ??

Conmaicne Mara · 12-03-2014 09:21PM

Ground lime every time and twice on Sundays.

Granulated lime is just too expensive.

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 09:28PM

bbam wrote: »

http://www.grasslandagro.ie/products/fertilizers/soil-conditioner/physiolith/

Price ??

250/t I think.
Highly recommend it. Especially if your renting ground

Farmer Pudsey · 12-03-2014 09:46PM

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertilisers-for-sale/super-slag-basic/4694909

Have anybody tried this it is about 70/ton delivered supposed to be same strenght as Granlime but with about 40 units of phospate/ton. H

maxxuumman · 12-03-2014 09:50PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

250/t I think.
Highly recommend it. Especially if your renting ground

Ya used here for the first time (properly) last autumn. Did a soli test in feb, it did the job on ph, and the grass is looking great. Some of the fields that got it have been grazed in feb and are motoring back.
Greengrass are you getting away with 2cwt. My sales man insisted I go with 4cwt and he maintained that would last 3-4 yrs. the main reason im using it,!is that I feel the ground is tired from getting so much washings and slurry and I'm hoping it improves the condition of the soil.

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 09:54PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/fertilisers-for-sale/super-slag-basic/4694909

Have anybody tried this it is about 70/ton delivered supposed to be same strenght as Granlime but with about 40 units of phospate/ton. H

Asked a lad about that the other day.
He said some places it works and others it doesn't.
Said you could get anything in the load. Its not guaranteed you will get what they say.
He said if you have couple hundred acres of tillage and you wanted to bring a load of trace elements it would do grand.
But you could end up poisening the ground if you spread it on grass

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 09:57PM

maxxuumman wrote: »

Ya used here for the first time (properly) last autumn. Did a soli test in feb, it did the job on ph, and the grass is looking great. Some of the fields that got it have been grazed in feb and are motoring back.
Greengrass are you getting away with 2cwt. My sales man insisted I go with 4cwt and he maintained that would last 3-4 yrs. the main reason im using it,!is that I feel the ground is tired from getting so much washings and slurry and I'm hoping it improves the condition of the soil.

We spread 4 bags two yrs ago. Just topping up now every year with two.
Using there phosphorus fert now to see if its as good as salesman said and as good as the phisolith worked.
Timac are using our farm as a moniter farm for there products because of the reaction there products has had here

Damo810 · 12-03-2014 10:01PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Use phisolith here.
Brilliant stuff. Spread two bags every year and it grows buckets of grass. Brings a load of trace elements too.
Our pH here was 5.3 I think.
6.6 and 6.7 now.
Could never afford to buy a big lit if lime so it was best way to do it.
Also no topping here. Cows will eat the cow pats there so sweet

Price and application rates, never heard of it before but it seems it uses calcium to raise the pH (which makes sense, calcium is non acidic) but looking at another forum, people don't seem impressed with it at all? Your results seem impressive though, depending on the cost of course.

maxxuumman · 12-03-2014 10:08PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

We spread 4 bags two yrs ago. Just topping up now every year with two.
Using there phosphorus fert now to see if its as good as salesman said and as good as the phisolith worked.
Timac are using our farm as a moniter farm for there products because of the reaction there products has had here

What's their phosphorus fert.
Timac have done some great work on soil chemistry. You could look at their products as expensive snake-oil.

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 10:26PM

maxxuumman wrote: »

What's their phosphorus fert.
Timac have done some great work on soil chemistry. You could look at their products as expensive snake-oil.

P27 is what we got. 11% p
Its soft rock phosphorus and supposed to be more readily available to the plant and not as hard on the soil like hard rock.
Dear though

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 10:28PM

Damo810 wrote: »

Price and application rates, never heard of it before but it seems it uses calcium to raise the pH (which makes sense, calcium is non acidic) but looking at another forum, people don't seem impressed with it at all? Your results seem impressive though, depending on the cost of course.

250/t.
We put 4 bags two yrs ago and two from now on. It is dear but our ground was all water logged when we moved first so didn't want to get a big spreader in

agriman27 · 12-03-2014 10:55PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

250/t.
We put 4 bags two yrs ago and two from now on. It is dear but our ground was all water logged when we moved first so didn't want to get a big spreader in

Few questions for ya. can you spread this stuff with a wagtail spreader. I wonder would you have to pay extra on top for long haulage,I'm in cavan. Never heard of anyone using I around my area, do they have reps all over the country. It sounds like it would suit me really well because my ph is high and phosphorous is low

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 11:25PM

agriman27 wrote: »

Few questions for ya. can you spread this stuff with a wagtail spreader. I wonder would you have to pay extra on top for long haulage,I'm in cavan. Never heard of anyone using I around my area, do they have reps all over the country. It sounds like it would suit me really well because my ph is high and phosphorous is low

Yes you spread it yourself.
Don't know if it with lower your pH.
Heard of some other mineral you spread to lower your pH.
Look up timac and see if they have rep in your area

Conmaicne Mara · 12-03-2014 11:27PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yes you spread it yourself.
Don't know if it with lower your pH.
Heard of some other mineral you spread to lower your pH.
Look up timac and see if they have rep in your area

Sulphur?

Greengrass1 · 12-03-2014 11:29PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Sulphur?

Can't think of it. Lad in college had to spread it every year on his land to lower it

Damo810 · 12-03-2014 11:59PM

agriman27 wrote: »

Few questions for ya. can you spread this stuff with a wagtail spreader. I wonder would you have to pay extra on top for long haulage,I'm in cavan. Never heard of anyone using I around my area, do they have reps all over the country. It sounds like it would suit me really well because my ph is high and phosphorous is low

If your ph is high, then you don't need lime or the stuff green spreads as that would only raise it more. The lower the pH, the more acidic a soil is.

agriman27 · 13-03-2014 12:10AM

Damo810 wrote: »

If your ph is high, then you don't need lime or the stuff green spreads as that would only raise it more. The lower the pH, the more acidic a soil is.

Yeah I know ,I got confused with greengrass comment I thought he meant the physiolith stuff did the two jobs but I do know the land needs lime though. Is goin to cost a lot to get my ground into good shape

jack o shea · 13-03-2014 01:21AM

whats the lime you can get in big bags and spread yourself? how much per tonne and what rate per acre?

Farmer Pudsey · 13-03-2014 01:32AM

jack o shea wrote: »

whats the lime you can get in big bags and spread yourself? how much per tonne and what rate per acre?

Granlime or G-Lime. It costs about 140/ton ( i buy with my fertlizer). 2 bags/are to lower PH and 1 bag.acre to maintain ph.

jack o shea · 13-03-2014 01:35AM

2 small bags to the acre pudsey? is it good? my land needs lime havnt spread it in a long time, can this stuff be spread with a normal amazon spreader?

Farmer Pudsey · 13-03-2014 01:47AM

jack o shea wrote: »

2 small bags to the acre pudsey? is it good? my land needs lime havnt spread it in a long time, can this stuff be spread with a normal amazon spreader?

My land is high in calcium however I am told that this calcium is locked up. have spread it for the last 5ish years. My ph is very good. not sure if it can all be put down to the granlime. Buy a few ton and see how you get on. Yes two small bags (100kgs)/acre to lower ph.

ground lime or granulated lime value for money

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