ground lime or granulated lime value for money

jack o shea

would you notice results fairly quickly?do glanbia sell it?i was thinking of trying it on some of the grazing block,after cows graze i presume would be best time?cud it be spread on top of fertilizer?

freedominacup

40 units of N = €20/acre dropped in the yard no debate about spreading it (bar weather)

1 tonne of lime = €20/acre dropped in yard, endless debate about spreading it..............

Greengrass1

Does no one read the whole thread any more?
Same questions asked about 3 times now

TUBBY

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Does no one read the whole thread any more?
Same questions asked about 3 times now

just to clarify, what is difference between bag and bulk lime

genuinely though green grass, is the phsiolith not v dear compaed to g lime at 140 a ton.

Greengrass1

TUBBY wrote: »

just to clarify, what is difference between bag and bulk lime

genuinely though green grass, is the phsiolith not v dear compaed to g lime at 140 a ton.

It is yes. But it brought up our pH in 3 yrs and we don't know have to top.
Father is still the boss so if he wants to spend I'll let him at it

maxxuumman

TUBBY wrote: »

just to clarify, what is difference between bag and bulk lime

genuinely though green grass, is the phsiolith not v dear compaed to g lime at 140 a ton.

It is but it isn't just a ph balancer, it claims that it does a lot more of the soil chemistry. Enzymes to break down slurry, and other magic stuff like that.
I have to say that where I spread it last year is looking good, and the soil structure is looking much better. There is a noticeable difference in the amount of worm casts in the fields that got it.

nhg

When doing an 11 acre reseed last yr we used the physolith as we we'nt able to tie it in with the full farm spread (& hadn't our soil tests back).

On our second reseed (5 acres) (both fields side by side) we used the ground lime which we tied in with the full farm spread - it will be interesting to see later in the year if there is any difference in the two fields.

The rep selling the physolith lives near us & he did the soil tests for us. I plan on doing soil tests next jan/feb again before we go with the follow up lime spread.

We paid €250/T for the physolith (spread ourselves with wag tail) and €20/T for the ground lime spread.

Farmer Pudsey

freedominacup wrote: »

40 units of N = €20/acre dropped in the yard no debate about spreading it (bar weather)

1 tonne of lime = €20/acre dropped in yard, endless debate about spreading it..............

For to maintain ph, gran-lime works out at 7/acre. to raise ph it is 14/acre. now it is a yearly cost as opposed tp ground lime at 40/acre for 4-5 years.

I think spreading any lime is a no brainer, if your ph is wrong then it is costing you 20-35% in fertlizer effiency. It is ike lads getting caught up reseeding a field or two when they would spray the whole farm for weeds for 15-20/acre and maybe get a 20-30% return on grass crop

Conmaicne Mara

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

For to maintain ph, gran-lime works out at 7/acre. to raise ph it is 14/acre. now it is a yearly cost as opposed tp ground lime at 40/acre for 4-5 years.

I think spreading any lime is a no brainer, if your ph is wrong then it is costing you 20-35% in fertlizer effiency. It is ike lads getting caught up reseeding a field or two when they would spray the whole farm for weeds for 15-20/acre and maybe get a 20-30% return on grass crop

Trouble is, if we take gran lime to be 5 times as dear as ground lime, people can think that's not too bad for it being so handy. But, they forget then they're only comparing it in ONE year. Like you said, gran lime needs to be put out every year compared to every few years for ground. So gran lime can work out 20-25 times as dear as ground lime.

Would we spend that mark up on any other product?

eorna

can g-lime be spread a week or 2 after urea or is it the same as ground lime where one would loose the nitrogen in urea?

bbam

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Trouble is, if we take gran lime to be 5 times as dear as ground lime, people can think that's not too bad for it being so handy. But, they forget then they're only comparing it in ONE year. Like you said, gran lime needs to be put out every year compared to every few years for ground. So gran lime can work out 20-25 times as dear as ground lime.

Would we spend that mark up on any other product?

No I think thats worked out over a few years.. there was a more detailed thread maybe 3 years ago....

I'll have a stab at it...

€150 a ton, 100kg (€15 worth)same as 1 ton ground,
so say I spread 2 ton ground lime @ €25 a ton, thats €50 to cover for 3 years.

In G-Lime that would be €15 * 2 = €30 each year for 3 years = €90

So for the same cover for 3 years would be €50 in ground lime and €90 in G-lime..

Actually that looks much better than I had thought... not twice the cost..

But it would depend on the deal you can strike on ground lime, the quarry near us will spread it within 5 miles for €18/ton and would charge us €27/ton, and there is no cost for spreading the G-lime yourself included, probably should be €5/ton.

On the plus side for G-lime..
Can be stored for use when needed
I can cover any small area when it suits me, with gound I'd need a full 24 ton load.
I can spread just when conditions are right rather than waiting for a contractor.
For those of us with smaller field access its just handier..

reilig

eorna wrote: »

can g-lime be spread a week or 2 after urea or is it the same as ground lime where one would loose the nitrogen in urea?

You can spread it at any time - it had no impact on N in fertilizer or slurry

Injuryprone

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Trouble is, if we take gran lime to be 5 times as dear as ground lime, people can think that's not too bad for it being so handy. But, they forget then they're only comparing it in ONE year. Like you said, gran lime needs to be put out every year compared to every few years for ground. So gran lime can work out 20-25 times as dear as ground lime.

Would we spend that mark up on any other product?

I think you need to recheck your figures there Con.

As I see it, gran lime (at 1 bag /acre/year) costs €7 + spreading costs.
Ground lime costs (at €23/tonne around here) €46/acre every 5 years or €9.20/acre/year.

Just spread 70% of the farm with granlime. The rest has been reseeded in the last 3 years. Spread with an Amazone spreader. Tbh it was dusty enough with a nice bit of non-granulated lime in the bag which didn't flow very well. Getting the last couple of cwt out of the spinner was troublesome enough. I'd say it'll work better with a wagtail

reilig

We're putting out Growmax this year. €180 per ton. It's a new product with almost double the strength of other granulated lime - a lot of demand for it in these parts as the co-op can't keep it stocked. Going to spread about 50kg to the acre this year and see how it does - it's 6 years since we spread ground limestone. Going to put out 18-6-12 on top.

http://www.irishlime.com/our-products/quicklime/growmax

bbam

reilig wrote: »

We're putting out Growmax this year. €180 per ton. It's a new product with almost double the strength of other granulated lime - a lot of demand for it in these parts as the co-op can't keep it stocked. Going to spread about 50kg to the acre this year and see how it does - it's 6 years since we spread ground limestone. Going to put out 18-6-12 on top.

http://www.irishlime.com/our-products/quicklime/growmax

That would put it very close to the costs of ground lime and a hell of a lot more convenient for smaller operations..

satstheway

Well if I spread urea today can I spread bulk lime in a week time?
And Jees you's don't half make it hard to make up my mind. A lot of pros and cons.

bbam

satstheway wrote: »

Well if I spread urea today can I spread bulk lime in a week time?
And Jees you's don't half make it hard to make up my mind. A lot of pros and cons.

Yea...
And then you hear lads saying.. "sher the grass is free anyway", FFS :mad:

Round Bale

satstheway wrote: »

Well if I spread urea today can I spread bulk lime in a week time?
And Jees you's don't half make it hard to make up my mind. A lot of pros and cons.

I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure:D

Farmer Pudsey

reilig wrote: »

We're putting out Growmax this year. €180 per ton. It's a new product with almost double the strength of other granulated lime - a lot of demand for it in these parts as the co-op can't keep it stocked. Going to spread about 50kg to the acre this year and see how it does - it's 6 years since we spread ground limestone. Going to put out 18-6-12 on top.

http://www.irishlime.com/our-products/quicklime/growmax

That Growmax is very compeditive if it is as it says on the pack. If spreading at 1/2 bag/acre it is costing 4.5/year/acre to maintain ph. That is the price og groundlime.

The advantages of any of these fertlizer type limes is there flexability. You can spread after grazing with out any effect. They are not as hard on groung as ground lime. I saw an article that advised that no more thn 2 ton/acre of ground limestone that lads ploughing in 4/are are upsetting soil microbioliogy. It said that even at 2/acre it was harsh on soil microbes.

With Granlime,G-lime growlime and is it calcifert you get an imediate rise in ph. Groundlime takes a few months to work. You have the flexability with it in the yard to go in after slurry, fertlizer, grazing and before silage.

In a chat with a lad a few weeks ago he told me that he spread groundlime in late 2012 on silage ground. He jad huge issues with silage this winter. He said he was lucky it was bales he had. They were going off in less than 48 hours after opening. I have spread granlim in april at the closing of silage groung and after first cut never had an issue with it.

It flexability is the key and if Growmax is what it says on the tin or if those slags were easy to spread there flexability will allow lime spreading when it suits.

Granlime costs me 140/ton this year it also took me up another discount in the fertlizer table 2/ton applying thios to the granlime it cost about 130/ton. At 140 it costs 7/acre/year to maintain ph. It is an annual cost so it is easy to allow in budget. Ground lime is 22-24/ton spread at two ton/acre it costs say 45/acre over 5 years or 9/acre yearly.

to reduce ph granlime costs 14/acre as opposed to 9+ for groundlime. I think that granlime etc only neutralise the top few centimetres of soil which with grass production may be all you need

just_did_it

Folks,

Would it be better to go out with g-lime before or after slurry ?

With the few dry left I am not sure wether to spread g-lime today and slurry Saturday or the would the other way around be better?

From reading this tread it appears to be safe to apply g-lime to silage ground for cutting this year.

Dunedin

just_did_it wrote: »

Folks,

Would it be better to go out with g-lime before or after slurry ?

With the few dry left I am not sure wether to spread g-lime today and slurry Saturday or the would the other way around be better?

From reading this tread it appears to be safe to apply g-lime to silage ground for cutting this year.

definitely do not put out slurry immediately after lime.

do it the other way about and leave one week i.e. slurry today and lime one week later.

reilig

just_did_it wrote: »

Folks,

Would it be better to go out with g-lime before or after slurry ?

With the few dry left I am not sure wether to spread g-lime today and slurry Saturday or the would the other way around be better?

From reading this tread it appears to be safe to apply g-lime to silage ground for cutting this year.

Perfectly safe to apply G Lime before or after slurry. It has no impact on N.

frazzledhome

satstheway wrote: »

Well if I spread urea today can I spread bulk lime in a week time?
And Jees you's don't half make it hard to make up my mind. A lot of pros and cons.

Urea before lime

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ok
Lime befor urea

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not ok

On G lime v lime stone

G lime 30% more expensive but can spread yourself

If you need less that 24 tonne go Gran
More go lorry load, 24 tonne does 12 acres

massey woman

We have been selectively spreading ground limestone for the last 20 years annually here on poorer soil in the NW with great success

There have been a number of suppliers over the years promoting different products all with varying degrees of credibility

Growmax is the most recent product we looked at with a TNV of 160-170 and a calcium content of 68% @€;180/tonne collected

My Grolime suppliers product has a TNV of 99.8% , a Calcium content of 97.9% and a magnesium content of 3.65% for €20/tonne delivered

After this we have a cost of €6/tonne for spreading-Reilig I think you need to review your spreaders rates!-

For us its a financial no brainer have a plan be ready and get it out when conditions are suitable

reilig

massey woman wrote: »

Reilig I think you need to review your spreaders rates!-

25 euro a ton spread here - that's cheaper than your 20 euro delivered and 6 euro spread! Probably the same person who spreads for both us us (JJS) only that ours might be less of a draw from the quarry as we are only 12 miles from Laragan which would account for the 1 euro less per ton?

Conmaicne Mara

Injuryprone wrote: »

I think you need to recheck your figures there Con.

As I see it, gran lime (at 1 bag /acre/year) costs €7 + spreading costs.
Ground lime costs (at €23/tonne around here) €46/acre every 5 years or €9.20/acre/year.

Just spread 70% of the farm with granlime. The rest has been reseeded in the last 3 years. Spread with an Amazone spreader. Tbh it was dusty enough with a nice bit of non-granulated lime in the bag which didn't flow very well. Getting the last couple of cwt out of the spinner was troublesome enough. I'd say it'll work better with a wagtail

bbam wrote: »

No I think thats worked out over a few years.. there was a more detailed thread maybe 3 years ago....

I'll have a stab at it...

€150 a ton, 100kg (€15 worth)same as 1 ton ground,
so say I spread 2 ton ground lime @ €25 a ton, thats €50 to cover for 3 years.

In G-Lime that would be €15 * 2 = €30 each year for 3 years = €90

So for the same cover for 3 years would be €50 in ground lime and €90 in G-lime..

Actually that looks much better than I had thought... not twice the cost..

But it would depend on the deal you can strike on ground lime, the quarry near us will spread it within 5 miles for €18/ton and would charge us €27/ton, and there is no cost for spreading the G-lime yourself included, probably should be €5/ton.

On the plus side for G-lime..
Can be stored for use when needed
I can cover any small area when it suits me, with gound I'd need a full 24 ton load.
I can spread just when conditions are right rather than waiting for a contractor.
For those of us with smaller field access its just handier..

There have been several threads on UK forums about it. Consensus being gran lime is significantly more expensive. Not to mention the lack of persistent effect of gran lime compared to ground.

micraX

Got 100 ton of bulk lime delivered the.other day. Contractor spreading it today or tomorrow.

farmernewbie

micraX wrote: »

Got 100 ton of bulk lime delivered the.other day. Contractor spreading it today or tomorrow.

Jesus a 100 ton is alot. Does it take up much room? Many lorry loads? Did ya dump in field or yard? Plan on getting 40 ton at some stage but wouldn't have room in yard so would have to dump in field.

Farmer Pudsey

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

There have been several threads on UK forums about it. Consensus being gran lime is significantly more expensive. Not to mention the lack of persistent effect of gran lime compared to ground.

None of us disagre that it is more expensive. However some of use consider that it flexability give back a lot of the extra cost. Take wet land where you cannot get into until april taht there is a coat of grass on spreading lime will delay grazing. It has tax efficienty in that you can schedule as an annual cost. Bought with fertlizer it may drop 2 euro/ton off fertlizer cost. Transfered back to granlime etc this may drop it price bt 10/ton. Flexibility with spreading slurry and urea what is that worth. I also find that after spreading in the spring that cattle graze paddocks better.

micraX wrote: »

Got 100 ton of bulk lime delivered the.other day. Contractor spreading it today or tomorrow.

Thsi would be a month too late for me and should not be spread on silage ground. I could not have spread Groundlime this year with conditions.

PureBred

So my plan is:

Slurry this weekend

Gran lime & Fert next week

Looking to get 1st Cut June 1st.

Is is ok to put out lime and fert together or should it be spaced out?