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The Birch or Cane for Criminals

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  • #62
    LoveChanel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭LoveChanel


    Amy teehee wrote: »
    well it's hard for me to say since I'm well into canings and all, but surely even a normal person would MUCH rather a caning (even a public one) than 5 years? Seems like a massive step down in terms of severity, tbh

    No one in Ireland ever serves their full term....... 5years = 11 months with good behaviour.


  • #63
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    monocled mutiner wrote: »
    A lot of convicts may even prefer it to a lengthy prison term and it would be a lot more cost effective and save the tax payer a fortune.
    I'd take a licking over spending months in jail too. Of course I'd probably need hospitalisation afterwards to prevent infection or are you saying we should leave the criminals to die from their wounds?

    It might even end up costing the state more in hospital bills that it would to incarcerate me.

    Corporal punishment doesn't work. It never has and it never will. The fact is the punishments were much worse in the past and it did nothing to deter criminals, it only hardens them and makes them enemies of the state rather than just citizens that have committed a crime.


  • #64
    SamAK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭SamAK


    For those that like to constantly harp on about prison in Ireland being some sort of 'holiday', has it ever entered your head that the most difficult aspect of being in prison is the imprisonment?

    For example -

    I have freedom....to go to the pub for a pint right now...I can go outside and walk around and do normal things....I can go to the cinema, I can go shopping, I can take my dog for a walk in the park...later my girlfriend is coming over and we're going to rent a movie, get a take-away and relax together for the evening..and we get to go to bed at whatever time we like! You get the picture.

    These everyday things that we all take completely for granted are the things that are denied to prisoners in prison.

    Think of the multitude of things that you do on an everyday basis and then think of how you'd feel if you were held against your will and not allowed to do ANY of them! I really fail to see how it would be 'easy' to be completely stripped of my freedom.

    A little bit of perspective for you..:rolleyes:


  • #65
    LoveChanel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭LoveChanel


    SamAK wrote: »
    For those that like to constantly harp on about prison in Ireland being some sort of 'holiday', has it ever entered your head that the most difficult aspect of being in prison is the imprisonment?

    For example -

    I have freedom....to go to the pub for a pint right now...I can go outside and walk around and do normal things....I can go to the cinema, I can go shopping, I can take my dog for a walk in the park...later my girlfriend is coming over and we're going to rent a movie, get a take-away and relax together for the evening..and we get to go to bed at whatever time we like! You get the picture.

    These everyday things that we all take completely for granted are the things that are denied to prisoners in prison.

    Think of the multitude of things that you do on an everyday basis and then think of how you'd feel if you were held against your will and not allowed to do ANY of them! I really fail to see how it would be 'easy' to be completely stripped of my freedom.

    A little bit of perspective for you..:rolleyes:

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/64-fugitives-still-at-large-after-escaping-from-jail-29992707.html

    I think that will answer your question about imprisonment....


  • #66
    kellaman123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 ✭kellaman123


    La_Gordy wrote: »
    I lived in Singapore and it is one of the worst places I have ever had the misfortune of spending an extended amount of time in. Crime is low, true. But are there any countries that use corporal punishment such as caning that do so without being part of a thoroughly repressive regime? I can't think of any examples.

    I don't know about nowadays but even in the last thirty years there were countries using corporal punishment that would not have had overly oppressive regimes. Take The Isle of Man for example, floggings, canings, the birch etc were common practice there in the 60 's 70's. The laws on the birch were only repealed in 1994 and I think the last man to receive it got it on the late 70's and if memory serves me right he was from Northern Ireland as it happens. There was one case of a judge trying to pass a birching sentence on a 16 year old Glaswegian for assault on the Island in 1981 but I think this was successfully appealed.
    So it's not something that we can only associate with repressive countries and I've said it before but I'm all for it. Flog the lot of them, that will sort them out .


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  • #67
    Muise...
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    LoveChanel wrote: »

    On a seperate note the UAE is the 5 safest place in the world to live with Japan being the safest.
    LoveChanel wrote: »
    That and "slave labour" now thats a prison. Thats justice.

    You mean slave labour like the poor men from Asia who build towers of Babel for the UAE in exchange for a pittance, appalling living and working conditions and the surrender of their passports? Or maybe you meant safe like for the Norwegian worker who reported a sexual assault and was nearly tried for adultery.


  • #68
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    People like that are a product of their enviroment, caning will do nothing but breed resentment.

    Someone in the thread gets it.

    Phew, all this talk about flogging and caning and stocks is getting me flustered, can we just dismember them, pour salt into their orifices, laugh at their agitated screams, and be done with it? Does this satisfy the torture porn crowd enough?


  • #69
    kellaman123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 ✭kellaman123


    I think this judge had the right idea even if it was 50 years ago

    http://www.corpun.com/usju6304.htm


  • #70
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    kellaman123 wrote: »
    I think this judge had the right idea even if it was 50 years ago

    http://www.corpun.com/usju6304.htm
    Yeah, I'm sure a tit for tat punishment really showed him right from wrong...


  • #71
    kellaman123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 ✭kellaman123


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm sure a tit for tat punishment really showed him right from wrong...

    I'm not sure I get your point??????


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  • #72
    Muise...
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    kellaman123 wrote: »
    I'm not sure I get your point??????

    and this right here is the problem with this thread...


  • #73
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    kellaman123 wrote: »
    I'm not sure I get your point??????
    That's okay, I wasn't expecting you to. Glad you enjoyed hearing about the belting though.


  • #74
    kellaman123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 ✭kellaman123


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That's okay, I wasn't expecting you to. Glad you enjoyed hearing about the belting though.

    I didn't enjoy hearing about the belting as you put it. Maybe the old way of doing things weren't all that bad though!


  • #75
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    kellaman123 wrote: »
    I didn't enjoy hearing about the belting as you put it. Maybe the old way of doing things weren't all that bad though!

    Ducking stools FTW.


  • #76
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    monocled mutiner wrote: »
    Within any society there will always be those that won't respond to any punishment so I can only imagine it's used a lot on those crims.

    In other words it doesn't work on those who would apparently need deterring the most.
    Shooting yourself in the foot there OP


  • #77
    kellaman123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 ✭kellaman123


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    In other words it doesn't work on those who would apparently need deterring the most.
    Shooting yourself in the foot there OP

    Not at all Sillyoulfool, it's those repeat offenders who we having no hope or reforming or deterring that we lock up and throw away the key. Save the cane or the birch for first time and maybe second time offenders. Don't lock all the convicted up, a pure waste of time and money.


  • #78
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    kellaman123 wrote: »
    Not at all Sillyoulfool, it's those repeat offenders who we having no hope or reforming or deterring that we lock up and throw away the key. Save the cane or the birch for first time and maybe second time offenders. Don't lock all the convicted up, a pure waste of time and money.
    Corporal punishment will just breed resentment, not to mention get us in serious trouble with our European allies. We should be concentrating our efforts on rehabilitation in the short term and tackling the root causes of crime in the long term. Not torturing unfortunate people for society's sadistic glee.


  • #79
    LoveChanel
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Corporal punishment will just breed resentment, not to mention get us in serious trouble with our European allies. We should be concentrating our efforts on rehabilitation in the short term and tackling the root causes of crime in the long term. Not torturing unfortunate people for society's sadistic glee.

    Back to the art therapy idea? Wow people in this country have gone soft....


  • #80
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    LoveChanel wrote: »
    Back to the art therapy idea? Wow people in this country have gone soft....
    It's not a matter of being soft, it's about applying modern scientific understanding on the root causes of crime in the long and short term rather than just brutalising criminals like a bunch of medievalists.


  • #81
    LoveChanel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭LoveChanel


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not a matter of being soft, it's about applying modern scientific understanding on the root causes of crime in the long and short term rather than just brutalising criminals like a bunch of medievalists.

    Most convicts can not be rehabilitated. Its a known fact...


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  • #82
    Muise...
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not a matter of being soft, it's about applying modern scientific understanding on the root causes of crime in the long and short term rather than just brutalising criminals like a bunch of medievalists.

    Yup.

    I also wonder how hard our medievalists would actually be if they had to carry out the brutality? How long would LoveChanel's bloodlust last?

    The Sri Lankans are looking for a new hangman today after the man they had just trained took one look at the gallows and quit.

    http://www.colombopage.com/archive_14A/Mar11_1394553791CH.php


  • #83
    mikom
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    LoveChanel wrote: »
    Most convicts can not be rehabilitated. Its a known fact...

    Even those convicted of failing to comply with a TV licence fine?


  • #84
    LoveChanel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭LoveChanel


    Muise... wrote: »
    Yup.

    I also wonder how hard our medievalists would actually be if they had to carry out the brutality? How long would LoveChanel's bloodlust last?

    The Sri Lankans are looking for a new hangman today after the man they had just trained took one look at the gallows and quit.

    http://www.colombopage.com/archive_14A/Mar11_1394553791CH.php

    Were do I apply?


  • #85
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    LoveChanel wrote: »
    Most convicts can not be rehabilitated. Its a known fact...
    A known fact? Who is it known by?


  • #86
    LoveChanel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭LoveChanel


    mikom wrote: »
    Even those convicted of failing to comply with a TV licence fine?

    You only get fined like a grand for not having a T.V licence.


  • #87
    kellaman123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 45 ✭kellaman123


    Muise... wrote: »
    Yup.

    I also wonder how hard our medievalists would actually be if they had to carry out the brutality? How long would LoveChanel's bloodlust last?

    The Sri Lankans are looking for a new hangman today after the man they had just trained took one look at the gallows and quit.

    http://www.colombopage.com/archive_14A/Mar11_1394553791CH.php


    Nobody's talking about hanging anyone. There's a difference between corporal punishment and capital punishment. Members of the gardai may be more than happy to dish out the punishment given the crap they have to put up with


  • #88
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    LoveChanel wrote: »
    Were do I apply?

    em, Sri Lanka.

    You certainly have the brains for it. :)


  • #89
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    LoveChanel wrote: »
    You only get fined like a grand for not having a T.V licence.

    I'd prefer to have my eyes plucked out.


  • #90
    LoveChanel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭LoveChanel


    Muise... wrote: »
    em, Sri Lanka.

    You certainly have the brains for it. :)

    Aw thank you =] I thought you might have a link since your so read up about it? I think only murders should be hung. A life for a life.


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  • #91
    mikom
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    LoveChanel wrote: »
    Aw thank you =] I thought you might have a link since your so read up about it? I think only murders should be hung. A life for a life.

    What you got for rape?


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