The Birch or Cane for Criminals

monocled mutiner · 11-03-2014 04:32PM #1

This thread went to sleep on the Emergency Services forum so it might do a bit better here.
Who would be in favour of the birch or the cane administered to those convicted of crimes such as vandalism, theft, burglary? It seems to work well as a deterrent in many other cultures so why not here? A lot of convicts may even prefer it to a lengthy prison term and it would be a lot more cost effective and save the tax payer a fortune.

tigger123 · 11-03-2014 04:34PM

Naaaaaay.

Penny Tration · 11-03-2014 04:35PM

No, because I don't believe in using violence against other people.

Chickenhead Bread · 11-03-2014 04:35PM

monocled mutiner wrote: »

It seems to work well as a deterrent in many other cultures

Such as?

jester77 · 11-03-2014 04:38PM

Are wooden spoons made from birch??

monocled mutiner · 11-03-2014 04:41PM

Chickenhead Bread wrote: »

Such as?

I have heard it is used a lot in Singapore with success

sillyoulfool · 11-03-2014 04:59PM

monocled mutiner wrote: »

I have heard it is used a lot in Singapore with success

If its that successful why is needed to be used a lot?

Surely the sign of it being a deterrent would be if was seldom needed.

RGDATA! · 11-03-2014 05:02PM

monocled mutiner wrote: »

It seems to work well as a deterrent in many other cultures so why not here? A lot of convicts may even prefer it to a lengthy prison term and it would be a lot more cost effective and save the tax payer a fortune.

hmm. So on the one hand convicts might prefer it, but it's still more of a deterrant than custodial sentence? What was the evidence you saw for it working as a deterrent in many other cultures?

suicide_circus · 11-03-2014 05:05PM

so all I have to do to get a stern caning is some petty vandalism? great news. currently forking out 200 bucks an hour.

Muise... · 11-03-2014 05:05PM

I'd favour the stocks and a leather belt.

MadsL · 11-03-2014 05:08PM

Muise... wrote: »

I'd favour the stocks and a leather belt.

If your partner agrees, well, you are off to the races.

dd972 · 11-03-2014 05:09PM

You're giving away your Hard Drive secrets OP ! :pac:

Muise... · 11-03-2014 05:10PM

MadsL wrote: »

If your partner agrees, well, you are off to the races.

Pah!

He's my Master, you eejit!

11-03-2014 05:14PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

so all I have to do to get a stern caning is some petty vandalism? great news. currently forking out 200 bucks an hour.

you're being robbed. Ill bate the lard out of ye for a ton

Iwasfrozen · 11-03-2014 05:14PM

monocled mutiner wrote: »

This thread went to sleep on the Emergency Services forum so it might do a bit better here.
Who would be in favour of the birch or the cane administered to those convicted of crimes such as vandalism, theft, burglary? It seems to work well as a deterrent in many other cultures so why not here? A lot of convicts may even prefer it to a lengthy prison term and it would be a lot more cost effective and save the tax payer a fortune.

No. Corporal punishment is humiliating and needlessly cruel to the offender. We're not living in the stone age.

LoveChanel · 11-03-2014 05:15PM

The suadi arabs have it right. Cut off the thiefs wrighting hand on a fridays in front of the whole town. I'm all for punishment. Saves a lot of tax payers money. Think of the millions wasted each year housing and feeding irish convicts. Plus its so "cosy" in jail now. Crimnals are only laughing, lets see them laugh when their hand is gone....

131spanner · 11-03-2014 05:16PM

monocled mutiner wrote: »

A lot of convicts may even prefer it to a lengthy prison term and it would be a lot more cost effective and save the tax payer a fortune.

The result being a criminal walking around who just got a hiding from the state which results in him resenting the state / law enforcement even more. And the wheel goes round.

suicide_circus · 11-03-2014 05:16PM

Jake1 wrote: »

you're being robbed. Ill bate the lard out of ye for a ton

and pull the wire off me afterwards?

11-03-2014 05:17PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

and pull the wire off me afterwards?

that will be extra....

suicide_circus · 11-03-2014 05:18PM

LoveChanel wrote: »

The suadi arabs have it right. Cut off the thiefs wrighting hand on a fridays in front of the whole town. I'm all for punishment. Saves a lot of tax payers money. Think of the millions wasted each year housing and feeding irish convicts. Plus its so "cosy" in jail now. Crimnals are only laughing, lets see them laugh when their hand is gone....

ah yes the Saudis, you've really got to hand it to them

Muise... · 11-03-2014 05:21PM

LoveChanel wrote: »

The suadi arabs have it right. Cut off the thiefs wrighting hand on a fridays in front of the whole town. I'm all for punishment. Saves a lot of tax payers money. Think of the millions wasted each year housing and feeding irish convicts. Plus its so "cosy" in jail now. Crimnals are only laughing, lets see them laugh when their hand is gone....

Oh my twitching red pen!! Are you trying to get me a grammar nazi ban?

monocled mutiner · 11-03-2014 05:21PM

sillyoulfool wrote: »

If its that successful why is needed to be used a lot?
Surely the sign of it being a deterrent would be if was seldom needed.

Within any society there will always be those that won't respond to any punishment so I can only imagine it's used a lot on those crims.

LoveChanel · 11-03-2014 05:24PM

monocled mutiner wrote: »

Within any society there will always be those that won't respond to any punishment so I can only imagine it's used a lot on those crims.

If they don't respond, then they should be hanged..

J_E · 11-03-2014 05:26PM

LoveChanel wrote: »

The suadi arabs have it right. Cut off the thiefs wrighting hand on a fridays in front of the whole town. I'm all for punishment. Saves a lot of tax payers money. Think of the millions wasted each year housing and feeding irish convicts. Plus its so "cosy" in jail now. Crimnals are only laughing, lets see them laugh when their hand is gone....

Aww yeah, keep going, really getting off to this post.

LoveChanel wrote: »

If they don't respond, then they should be hanged..

Hnnng yes! This is some quality material LoveChanel, thanks.

LoveChanel · 11-03-2014 05:36PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

Aww yeah, keep going, really getting off to this post.

Hnnng yes! This is some quality material LoveChanel, thanks.

What do you suggest? Prehaps art therapy while in prison? The whole nicey nice thing does not work. It's time for drastic action.

Ruu · 11-03-2014 05:40PM

Liquorice whip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5teVixi8XLU

The King of Moo · 11-03-2014 05:42PM

"Gee shucks, that caning was sure humiliating. Well, no more crime for me, I've sure learned my lesson!"

The thought process of the average petty criminal, apparently.

The King of Moo · 11-03-2014 05:43PM

LoveChanel wrote: »

It's time for drastic action.

Why? We don't have a lot of crime.

Iwasfrozen · 11-03-2014 05:43PM

LoveChanel wrote: »

What do you suggest? Prehaps art therapy while in prison? The whole nicey nice thing does not work. It's time for drastic action.

If art therapy can be shown to encourage rehabilitation then yes. Why not?

My name is URL · 11-03-2014 05:47PM

There's been a drastic increase in the amount of nutjobs posting here recently.

LoveChanel · 11-03-2014 05:49PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Why? We don't have a lot of crime.

The highest rate of recidivism was among those who had served a sentence for burglary and related offences (79.5%). Of these, most were re-convicted for burglary (57), public order (34) or theft (32) offences.
The overall recidivism rate of offenders within three years was 62.3%.
Two thirds of re-offences occurred within six months of release.
Males made up 92% of the total population studied and had a higher recidivism rate than females (63% as opposed to 57%).

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