Do you take an interest in cheltenham

Lapin · 10-03-2014 09:31PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

And the good ones get tonnes of fanny for the rest of their lives

Not the ones is Cheltenham I'm afraid.

They're all geldings.

Wacker The Attacker · 10-03-2014 09:31PM

kneemos wrote: »

Drop of Brasso and a shammy should polish that up.

Hmmmm quite

whupdedo · 10-03-2014 09:38PM

AngeGal wrote: »

I don't believe you, that quote doesn't sound like something anyone would say. They would be more likely to joke about turning them into dog food than saying 'I'll cut his throat', does your friend think he's in a movie or something?

By the way I'm often down on his farm and see the horses but sure you know better obviously!

Ah Ok i just made it up on the spot, you got me:rolleyes:

What I think he was referring to was when their in the factory they stun them, hang them and cut their throat to bleed them, hence the expression cut his throat

If your friend does that, he's obviously 1 of the few that do and I tip my hat to him

thegreatgonzo · 10-03-2014 09:42PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

What are you on about? How am I derailing the thread explaining my reason for not watching it. The horses love being whipped do they? Go away you with your ****e

He meant they love to run which they do. They are bred for it.
The whips used are light things which aren't meant to inflict pain. Horses go around biting each other so their skin really isn't that sensitive.

whupdedo · 10-03-2014 09:45PM

kneemos wrote: »

Drop of Brasso and a shammy should polish that up.

Or get a brasser to give you a spit and polish

Specialun · 10-03-2014 09:47PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

What are you on about? How am I derailing the thread explaining my reason for not watching it. The horses love being whipped do they? Go away you with your ****e

Dont think you have a clue what your on about

The horses barely feel the whip. Firstly the whip is made from soft material..secondly there are regs to where and how many times a horse can be whipped

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 09:51PM

Specialun wrote: »

Dont think you have a clue what your on about

The horses barely feel the whip. Firstly the whip is made from soft material..secondly there are regs to where and how many times a horse can be whipped

It's such a soft material that they can barley feel it..yet there's regs to where and how many times they can be whipped!?

Yeah, that makes sense if it's so soft. Again, I must repeat, go away with your shïte.

Specialun · 10-03-2014 09:55PM

GenieOz wrote: »

It's such a soft material that they can barley feel it..yet there's regs to where and how many times they can be whipped!?

Yeah, that makes sense if it's so soft. Again, I must repeat, go away with your shïte.

Mate ive owned horses for years so know alot more than you.The regs are in place to protect the horse..what you know about it you could fit on a stamp

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 09:56PM

Specialun wrote: »

Mate ive owned horses for years so know alot more than you.The regs are in place to protect the horse..what you know about it you could fit on a stamp

You know nothing about what I know about horses

Protect the horse from what? The soft whip that they barely feel? That doesn't sound right.

whupdedo · 10-03-2014 09:59PM

GenieOz wrote: »

It's such a soft material that they can barley feel it..yet there's regs to where and how many times they can be whipped!?

Yeah, that makes sense if it's so soft. Again, I must repeat, go away with your shïte.

Your posts are childish and idiotic, theirs regulations in place to placate morons who think animals who are treated like royalty and are trained to excel are actually being mistreated.

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 10:01PM

whupdedo wrote: »

Your posts are childish and idiotic, theirs regulations in place to placate morons who think animals who are treated like royalty and are trained to excel are actually being mistreated.

Two supporters with two opinions. So which is it?

Horse racing fans are horribly aggressive.

AngeGal · 10-03-2014 10:03PM

GenieOz wrote: »

It's such a soft material that they can barley feel it..yet there's regs to where and how many times they can be whipped!?

Yeah, that makes sense if it's so soft. Again, I must repeat, go away with your shïte.

There was a time when the whip was too hard and over-used. This hurt horses and brought negative attention resulting in the introduction of regulations and softening of the whip.

It's used to get horses to pay attention and quicken up. Many times the whip has fallen from a jockeys hand causing the jockey to use only hand and heels and the horse still wins the race.

The whip doesn't hurt. See link below which is an article written by a Guardian journalist writing about how he got hit by the whip three times and didn't feel a thing. It's an issue for people who have never been involved in horse racing and consequently have no experience on the matter but yet somehow still feel qualified to declare their (inaccurate) opinion as truth.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/oct/18/jockeys-whip-didnt-hurt?guni=Article:in%20body%20link

Specialun · 10-03-2014 10:03PM

GenieOz wrote: »

You know nothing about what I know about horses

Protect the horse from what? The soft whip that they barely feel? That doesn't sound right.

The whip is used in racing to correct the horse or to offer encouragement.its not to hurt the horse to get him to get his finger out

There is various and different regs

1) you cannot whip a horse continously..
2) you cannot whip above shoulder height

Just two of various regs for the protection of the animal...just because the whip is not very hard doesnt mean it shouldnt be regulated...FFS if it wasnt regulated ye would be moaning also

Rightwing · 10-03-2014 10:04PM

Mostly mug punters, going over to be milked by the bookies.

thegreatgonzo · 10-03-2014 10:08PM

GenieOz wrote: »

Horse racing fans are horribly aggressive.

Yes every single one.:rolleyes:

My take on the regulation would be that it is just good ethical practice to impose some rules regarding the use of the whip. Obviously the more force you use the greater impact you are going to cause, even with padded material. The limits imposed are there so nobody ever comes near actually injuring the horses.
I would have more concerns about the quality of fences and the size of the field in some festivals that make it more likely a horse will fall at a jump.

diomed · 10-03-2014 10:12PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

What are you on about? How am I derailing the thread explaining my reason for not watching it. The horses love being whipped do they? Go away you with your ****e

The whips are light, soft, padded. Horses are herd animals and flee if attacked. Getting slapped behind the saddle caused them to try to get away.

Eight Ball · 10-03-2014 10:13PM

Nope. Never watched a single horse race in my life and despise betting of any form.

Lapin · 10-03-2014 10:16PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

What are you on about? How am I derailing the thread explaining my reason for not watching it. The horses love being whipped do they? Go away you with your ****e

If a horse doesn't want to run, it won't run.

And nothing you, me or anyone else can do will make that horse run.

It happens quite often that a horse refuses.

The fact that the vast majority of them do run is proof that they love it.

As for the horses in racing being the victims of cruelty, get real.

They are among the most pampered and best treated animals on the planet.

If you really want to so something to help with cruelty to horses get yourself down to one of the housing estates on the edge of north and west Dublin and challenge some of the 'horse lovers' there about the manner in which they treat their 'pets'.

ArtyC · 10-03-2014 10:26PM

Yay cheltenham! Love it

Catphish · 10-03-2014 10:34PM

Specialun wrote: »

Well as some might know cheltenham starts tomorrow.Its the biggest horse racing festival of the year...ive been lucky enough to be there and the buzz is really amazing

Well AH have you an interest...

Jesus tough crowd in here! Yeah, I'll buy a paper and see if anything catches my eye. I don't bet often, or big, but it's a bit of fun when the big events come up. I steer away from tips or hype about particular horses, I have better luck on my own. Bet small, have fun

Reedsie · 10-03-2014 10:36PM

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Not mad on horse racing but was wondering what constitutes being Irish when they say on the news "another Irish winner at Cheltenham". Is it horse, owner, trainer or Jockey, or can it be any of them?

Depends on where the trainer is based.

eg.
Shutthefrontdoor runs tomorrow in the 4.40. The horse, trainer, jockey and owner were born in Ireland. But the trainer is based in England, so therefore an English horse.

Gongoozler · 10-03-2014 10:37PM

Lapin wrote: »

If a horse doesn't want to run, it won't run.

And nothing you, me or anyone else can do will make that horse run.

It happens quite often that a horse refuses.

The fact that the vast majority of them do run is proof that they love it.

As for the horses in racing being the victims of cruelty, get real.

They are among the most pampered and best treated animals on the planet.

If you really want to so something to help with cruelty to horses get yourself down to one of the housing estates on the edge of north and west Dublin and challenge some of the 'horse lovers' there about the manner in which they treat their 'pets'.

Very often the horses are being forced into the stalls, and don't want to but are still forced. The height of the jumps are also of concern as well as the amount running. They may like running but I doubt there's anywhere near as many horses dying from broken legs in the wild as there are in the racing world.

As far as I'm concerned its inappropriate and wrong to force an animal under duress to do something that only you are gaining from.

D_turbo · 10-03-2014 10:39PM

Not at all...
But The minute it starts the whole country seems to become and expert

thomil · 10-03-2014 10:41PM

Me, an interest in Cheltenham? Not really, at least as far as the horse racing aspect is concerned.
That being said, there's an institution about three kilometres southwest of the racecourse that I'd be very much interested in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCHQ

Yurt · 10-03-2014 10:52PM

While i do agree that 99% of the races you'd need to have a few euro on to enjoy them unless you owned or trained the horse,Can you honestly tell me that you wouldn't be able to sit down and admire this horse without a flutter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtPwx__6RKU

cml387 · 10-03-2014 10:55PM

Politicians (esp Fianna Fail politicians) love being in Cheltenham. I think that tells us all we need to know about it.

Jimoslimos · 10-03-2014 10:57PM

Lapin wrote: »

Yes. Me.

I've often gone racing and only had a bet in one or two races.

AngeGal wrote: »

I do, watching a supreme racehorse like Best Mate or Kauto Star powering over fences in full flow & coming up the Cheltenham hill is a pretty awesome sight in my opinion. I have a few bets now and again (expecting to lose and having written off the money) but I often watch without betting too, I'll tape the next three days of Cheltenham and watch them back in the evenings having no money down.

I don't doubt that people do enjoy racing for racing sake but as a whole the sport revolves around gambling. Odds are always reported for winners, when did you last hear a sports bulletin with "Usain Bolt the heavily backed 1/3f cantered home to gold in the feature event....or Lewis Hamilton 13/2 won in a photo finish after a stewards enquiry".

Kerrydude1981 · 10-03-2014 11:02PM

Ya Il be watching it,one of the few times a year a punter like myself would back a few horses,hopefully it will be just as good as last years festival and everyone makes a few quid.

Going with Champagne Fever in the 2.05 and Pendra in the 5:15

P_1 · 10-03-2014 11:14PM

Follow it occasionally. Can't pick a winner to save my life with the nags mind so generally wouldn't bother with the turf accountants for it.

Odelay · 10-03-2014 11:17PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

Very often the horses are being forced into the stalls, and don't want to but are still forced. The height of the jumps are also of concern as well as the amount running. They may like running but I doubt there's anywhere near as many horses dying from broken legs in the wild as there are in the racing world.

As far as I'm concerned its inappropriate and wrong to force an animal under duress to do something that only you are gaining from.

But there are no stalls in NH racing...........

Do you take an interest in cheltenham

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