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Clampers going on strike

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  • #32
    Mrs Garth Brooks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Mrs Garth Brooks


    Why are they striking over pay?

    Isn't it expensive to release a clamp?

    How much are they getting if they clamp loads of cars in just one hour?


  • #33
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    anncoates wrote: »
    You enter a more or less contractual agreement to occupy their space and don't honour it. 99% of the time it will be your own fault. The other times you expect them to care if you were delayed?

    If you missed a job interview because the luas broke down, would you be whinging about taking veolia or the potential employers to court?

    Grow a set and take responsibility for your life.

    No one said anything about expecting the clamping firms to 'care' they operate a business (albeit a legally dodgy one) and clamping is their bread and butter.

    I'm pointing out to you and your high horse attitude that things happen that make people sometimes not get back on time doesn't make them "ignorant cnuts".

    I also took full responsibility the last time I was clamped. Lucky for the clampers though I had two small children with me. Otherwise their clamp was heading home with me.


  • #34
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Otherwise their clamp was heading home with me.

    You keep giving it to The Man. .


  • #35
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    anncoates wrote: »
    You keep giving it to The Man. .

    Does that mean you'll be taking it so?


  • #36
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Does that mean you'll be taking it so?

    The very foundations of our freedom rest upon it.


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  • #37
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Banjo String wrote: »
    I also took full responsibility the last time I was clamped. Lucky for the clampers though I had two small children with me. Otherwise their clamp was heading home with me.
    Was this the time when you had your kids there waiting while your mate arrived with boltcutters?


  • #38
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    this is one strike i will support, this is great news!

    hope the DCC let them rot and never replace them, allowing a good old ticketing service come back in - clampers are absolulte w*nkers and bellends.


  • #39
    wil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Yeh but people can avoid being clamped. I'm not saying I think clamping is a good method, or that clampers can't be bollixes, but I don't understand the sentiment that it's done to people who have no choice/responsibility in the matter.
    If people didn't give clampers reason to clamp, it would be the best fuk-you to them.
    The only real reason they need to clamp is an unoccupied car and dubious signage.
    It is a tax, a revenue stream (from the mouth of a clamper) and if you have a problem with that talk to whoever makes up the rules.
    They are the bane of many shopkeepers who are in fear of delivery vans and customers being clamped outside their shops, and so lose business. Some are in constant battle with the council to change the ridiculous rules.
    So many side roads in Dublin are 24 hours and signs are often confusing and inconsistent.
    And yet in other parts, dangerous parking across pedestrian crossings and continuous parking on double yellows by pizza delivery vans at a particularly dangerous yellow box is completely ignored.
    Reason being - they have to call a garda to clamp these, so it doesn't happen. They clamp the easy prey, side streets, 1 minute in a loading bay, quiet residential streets, people delayed 10 mins getting back to their car.
    They also clamp cars in bus lanes just to make sure they are causing an obstruction - complete stupidity.
    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    If it's illegal, are people calling the guards? Anyone?

    I'd have more ire for the private companies that charge ridiculous release fees rather than their employees.
    The gardai want nothing to do with them

    Parking used to be under the jurisdiction of the gardai, it was handed to a private company who decide their own rules/targets.

    To quote one on duty garda I stopped to ask about the legality of the clamp on my car - "we hate the bs as much as you". I asked him can I quote him on that. He said No problem.

    Clamping is a very big hammer used to crack peanuts.

    So yeah - strike on.


  • #40
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Hope they never come off of strike. And a pre-emptive fcuk off to all the goodie two shoes trolls who seem to love the clampers. We live in a civilised country no need to fcuk with another man's vehicle just put a ticket on it and chase up if they dont pay

    Not the same as the Council clampers but will you pay a ticket issued by the owner of a private car park?


  • #41
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    humbert wrote: »
    Was this the time when you had your kids there waiting while your mate arrived with boltcutters?

    Well seeing as they're aged at 1 & 3, I thought sending them on home by themselves may be a bad idea. Besides if you think about it, it was NCPS had them 'waiting'. Either by me paying their ransom or removing clamp myself.

    My only regret being that the bolt cutters wouldn't go through the chain/padlock, but I'm now the proud owner of a cordless grinder with cutting discs. ;)



    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Not the same as the Council clampers but will you pay a ticket issued by the owner of a private car park?

    Would I be legally obliged to?


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  • #42
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    GenieOz wrote: »
    Private clamping is an illegal practice .

    No it isn't.


  • #43
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    My name is URL wrote: »
    The Nazis were 'just doing their jobs' too

    And?


  • #44
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Saucy McKetchup wrote: »
    Why bother calling the guards when you can just take off the clamp yourself and throw it in the boot of your car

    Criminal damage And theft..why not go for the hat trick and beat the clamper to death with the clamp?


  • #45
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Criminal damage And theft

    It is not illegal to remove a clamp. You find me a case where somebody was prosecuted for removing a clamp. Go on. I'll wait....


  • #46
    V.W.L 11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    Kirby wrote: »
    It is not illegal to remove a clamp. You find me a case where somebody was prosecuted for removing a clamp. Go on. I'll wait....

    Its not illegal to remove it once you return it to the company,happened in cork a few years back


  • #47
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Hope they never come off of strike. And a pre-emptive fcuk off to all the goodie two shoes trolls who seem to love the clampers. We live in a civilised country no need to fcuk with another man's vehicle just put a ticket on it and chase up if they dont pay

    What about womens' cars?


  • #48
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    blue note wrote: »
    We'll all be sorry when Dublin grinds to a halt once the strike starts. We'll all be begging them to come back and clamp us then.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    this is one strike i will support, this is great news!

    hope the DCC let them rot and never replace them, allowing a good old ticketing service come back in - clampers are absolulte w*nkers and bellends.

    Clamping was discontinued in Cork and the ticketing system resumed. The city didn't grind to a halt strangely enough..


  • #49
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    How would it stand if you asked your bank/credit card provider to issue you a charge back on your card?

    The reason being you never agreed to enter into a contract with clamping Company?


  • #50
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    No it isn't.

    Stopping the free movement of a vehicle without lawful reason is illegal.
    Lawful reason does not come under a sign saying you'll be clamped if you don't pay a certain amount of money beforehand or have a parking permit.


  • #51
    Santa Cruz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Comparing someone who regulates parking on behalf of the council to a regime that murdered millions of innocent Jews, Roma, Poles, Russians , homosexuals, and mentally handicapped people. Nice, real classy.

    If Der Fuhrer knew this clamping was going on he would be very angry


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  • #52
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    wil wrote: »
    They also clamp cars in bus lanes just to make sure they are causing an obstruction - complete stupidity.

    I think the idea is that it provides a strong visual deterrent to more people parking that a ticket does not. It's an issue of pack mentality where once one person parks there, a queue of them will line up. Lash a clamp on them and that breaks that chain reaction. If they're actually causing a blockage, they should be towed.

    Not that I'm in favour of clamping but the problem previously was it was too costly to chase the non payers.


  • #53
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Kirby wrote: »
    It is not illegal to remove a clamp. You find me a case where somebody was prosecuted for removing a clamp. Go on. I'll wait....

    Will this one do?
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/forcibly-removing-wheel-clamp-cost-driver-550-233945.html
    A judge has told a motorist who forcibly removed a clamp from his car that it would have been cheaper to buy a parking disc — as it eventually ended up costing the motorist €550.
    Jonathan McCarthy, of Ballyclough Avenue, Ballinacurra Weston, had to fork out €400 in compensation after taking a clamp from his car at Taites car park in Limerick City in 2011.

    Yesterday the 25-year-old father of one was convicted of causing criminal damage to the clamp on May 31, 2011, and fined €150.

    Will that case do? Go on I'll wait....:)


  • #54
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Will this one do?
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/forcibly-removing-wheel-clamp-cost-driver-550-233945.html
    A judge has told a motorist who forcibly removed a clamp from his car that it would have been cheaper to buy a parking disc — as it eventually ended up costing the motorist €550.
    Jonathan McCarthy, of Ballyclough Avenue, Ballinacurra Weston, had to fork out €400 in compensation after taking a clamp from his car at Taites car park in Limerick City in 2011.

    Yesterday the 25-year-old father of one was convicted of causing criminal damage to the clamp on May 31, 2011, and fined €150.

    Will that case do? Go on I'll wait....:)

    But that's because he damaged it. You can remove it without damaging it.


  • #55
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    GenieOz wrote: »
    Stopping the free movement of a vehicle without lawful reason is illegal.
    Lawful reason does not come under a sign saying you'll be clamped if you don't pay a certain amount of money beforehand or have a parking permit.
    T
    That is not correct.
    So long as sufficient signage warning motorists that they can be clamped is in place it is lawful to clamp the vehicle.
    It is a criminal offence to damage a clamp, as shown in the case I linked in an earlier post.


  • #56
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    T
    That is not correct.
    So long as sufficient signage warning motorists that they can be clamped is in place it is lawful to clamp the vehicle.
    It is a criminal offence to damage a clamp, as shown in the case I linked in an earlier post.

    I think you desperately need to learn the law on this one.


  • #57
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Will this one do?

    No. It wont do. Because I asked for a case where a person was prosecuted for removing a clamp. You haven't supplied one yet. That case was for damaging a clamp. I even bolded the removal part of my original post to make it clear.

    I'm still waiting.......


  • #58
    V.W.L 11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭V.W.L 11


    Kirby wrote: »
    No. It wont do. Because I asked for a case where a person was prosecuted for removing a clamp. You haven't supplied one yet. That case was for damaging a clamp. I even bolded the removal part of my original post to make it clear.

    I'm still waiting.......
    If you remove it undamaged and return it then you cannot be touched,if damaged you can be done for criminal damage,not returned = theft,fairly straight forward to be honest.


  • #59
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Yes, I know that. You know that. But apparently sillyoulfool does not. He is claiming it to be untrue which is why I asked him to prove it. He has yet do to so because it isn't possible.

    If somebody attaches a clamp to your car you have every right to remove it.


  • #60
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    I hope there is solidarity amongst the clamping workers on this one........no scabs!


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  • #61
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I hope there is solidarity amongst the clamping workers on this one........no scabs!

    They work as clampers.....what do you think. :p


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