Will you eat meat tomorrow

Knight who says Meh · 10-03-2014 02:39PM

Bambi wrote: »

god wills it, doesn't he?

No No No!!!
Good stuff = God diddit
Bad Stuff = **** happens.

P_1 · 10-03-2014 02:46PM

looksee wrote: »

So who was doing the social conditioning?

And while it wouldn't have been a complete thread without someone blaming the Brits, there is something a bit odd about blaming them for observance of Good Friday!

Well I guess I may have been guilty of oversimplifying things or dare I say it generalising them. Ok bear with me while I attempt to make a very long post, read or ignore, tis up to yourself.

In the 18th century (yes back when Ireland was ruled from London) there was no real political will to establish schools and hospitals for the non-gentrified. Various religious orders (of both denominations) and a few charitable organisations stepped in to fill this gap. Now it is totally understandable that these religious orders would include indoctrination into their faiths into the education that they provided (basically teaching kids how to read, write, add and pray).

Now as we know religious indoctrination tends to steer folk away from critical thinking and generally encourages folk to 'toe the line' (the clue is in the word 'faith'). As each generation gives way to the next it is easy to see how social conditioning can come into things, particularly when things like sacrements become social norms, thus propelling the RCC into a dominant societal force.

I don't think that I 'blamed' the British for observance of Good Friday, rather I think I suggested that their social policies in relation to Ireland pre independence could possibly be considered as one of the many reasons behind it.

mrsbyrne · 10-03-2014 02:50PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

If you believe in super natural events which have NEVER been witnessed by anyone ever and only exist in a thousands year old edited and edited again document from a very very primitive time then how does that reflect on your reasoning?
The RCC bashes gays. You support The RCC. Work it out.

More patronising twaddle.

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 02:51PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

More patronising twaddle.

Yet none of it can be refuted. Interesting that.

mrsbyrne · 10-03-2014 02:54PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

It gets reported more and we have more access to news sources.

So, what your saying is that with or without the CC, back then as now, we are a little nation of absolute cnuts with hardly any redeeming features?
Ok, then fair enough, i suppose i agree with you.

Akrasia · 10-03-2014 02:58PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

... and ive come to the conclusion that if the slates fell of this roof tonite it would be the fault of the CC, so theres our deadlock

I think it's fair to argue that the RCC is the reason why RCC traditions are enshrined in Irish law

Nobody is blaming the RCC for random events that it has nothing to do with.

mrsbyrne · 10-03-2014 03:00PM

GenieOz wrote: »

Yet none of it can be refuted. Interesting that.

Once again, you have no evidence, not a shred, that God doesnt exist.
If you have, produce it.
Ive never bashed anyone, gay straight or otherwise in my life.
Unlike you, Ive never attempted to ridicule anybodys belief system however outlandish or improbable because im not consumed with fury, as you are, that others seem to have a different aproach to life than I.

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 03:03PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Once again, you have no evidence, not a shred, that God doesnt exist.
If you have, produce it.
Ive never bashed anyone, gay straight or otherwise in my life.
Unlike you, Ive never attempted to ridicule anybodys belief system however outlandish or improbable because im not consumed with fury, as you are, that others seem to have a different aproach to life than I.

You're the one saying he does exist, the onus is on you to prove it. Not for anyone else to disprove it.
Can you prove Batman doesn't exist?

You do however support a corporation that 'bashes' gay people and condemns their lifestyle. So you're pretty much doing the same thing.

Consumed with fury? I suggest you read my posts, I don't care what you believe in and I've never ridiculed it. However I find the reasoning and arguments almost comical.

Akrasia · 10-03-2014 03:04PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

So, what your saying is that with or without the CC, back then as now, we are a little nation of absolute cnuts with hardly any redeeming features?
Ok, then fair enough, i suppose i agree with you.

Ireland in the 21st century, for all it's flaws, is overall a much much better place than it was in the Ireland of Angelas ashes and the Magedelin Laundries

P_1 · 10-03-2014 03:05PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Once again, you have no evidence, not a shred, that God doesnt exist.
If you have, produce it.
Ive never bashed anyone, gay straight or otherwise in my life.
Unlike you, Ive never attempted to ridicule anybodys belief system however outlandish or improbable because im not consumed with fury, as you are, that others seem to have a different aproach to life than I.

Is their any evidence suggesting the existence of a god? No.
Is their any evidence denying the existence of a god? No.

Nobody seems to be confused by fury (not here at least) that others have a different approach to life, rather a justified annoyance that others who have this different approach to life are forcing it on them.

Cunny-Funt · 10-03-2014 03:05PM

GenieOz wrote: »

Yet none of it can be refuted. Interesting that.

She is unable to argue or address the points made thus makes vain attempts to deflect by attacking the tone of the post rather than actually make counter points to the actual argument.

Thus:

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Good God. What a gobsmackingly condescending obnoxious post this is.
You have no idea who I am or anything about me and still you feel free to pass such judgment on me and my powers of reasoning and you even accuse me of gaybashing when you have absolutely no evidence of this.
And you have the cheek to call the CC out for bullying?

lol. This is like a proclaimed member of the nazi party not understanding why people assume they are racist and hate jews.

How dare they make assumptions about me! How dare they sound so condescending when explaining that its wrong to view one race as inferior to the other. :rolleyes:

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I wrote a posted a considerble piece, and you picked the bit were i started the sentence with "shoot me". Throw in the "wow" (your such a monster/so stupid/so inferior to me) and your good to go cunny funt. Be carefull now not to address the rest of my post.
The bit i have emboldened. Why can't you just be honest and just say that you think im stupid?

I DID address the rest of your post, by asking if you were blaming this long list of anti social problems on the fact that those people are not religious apparently.

How can you be surprised that people might sound condescending to you, when you make the santa claus argument.

I will say it if you like.

Thinking humanity is better off, if we make people believe if you are bad you will be sent to an invented made up place of fire IS an utterly utterly stupid opinion.

Now why don't you actually counter it, and prove me wrong, rather than avoid and deflect.

Argue to me as to why this is an intelligent thing to say and a good thing for humanity. Go on, lets see it.

thomas anderson. · 10-03-2014 04:38PM

I am of the opinion that anyone who "believes" in a God is a weak minded person that is trying to fill an emptiness in their lives.

I believe that religion causes nothing but suffering and death.

I prefer to believe in myself

Lapin · 10-03-2014 04:48PM

Princess Peach wrote: »

I don't care what people eat tomorrow, but it really annoys me when people make a big song and dance out of eating meat for attention. Like it's some super important protest everyone needs to see.

On Good Friday they call it a last supper protest.

I Heart Internet · 10-03-2014 04:54PM

thomas anderson. wrote: »

I am of the opinion that anyone who "believes" in a God is a weak minded person that is trying to fill an emptiness in their lives.

Fair enough

thomas anderson. wrote: »

I believe that religion causes nothing but suffering and death.

That's an extremist position, to say that religion causes nothing but suffering and death. What about "Silent Night", a hymn written by a person motivated by his religion. It makes people smile. That's just one small example.

You do your case a dis-service when you suggest something as extreme as "religion causes nothing but suffering and death."

thomas anderson. wrote: »

I prefer to believe in myself

Good for you.

eyescreamcone · 10-03-2014 05:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Good for you.

Yes, good for him.

Much better to believe in things that are real.

Unlike the emotionally crippled religionists who believe in stuff that they didn't even have the imagination to make up themselves.

I Heart Internet · 10-03-2014 05:14PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Yes, good for him.

Much better to believe in things that are real.

Unlike the emotionally crippled religionists who believe in stuff that they didn't even have the imagination to make up themselves.

Why so negative?

Can't you just say, "good for them" too?

eyescreamcone · 10-03-2014 05:26PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Why so negative?

Can't you just say, "good for them" too?

No - because it's not good for adults to believe fairy stories are real.

And it's not good for everybody if some adults believe their fairy stories are the foundations that society should be built upon.

I Heart Internet · 10-03-2014 05:33PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

No - because it's not good for adults to believe fairy stories are real.

And it's not good for everybody if some adults believe their fairy stories are the foundations that society should be built upon.

Good for you.

thomas anderson. · 10-03-2014 05:47PM

You cant argue with religious people.

Its like arguing with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I Heart Internet · 10-03-2014 05:51PM

thomas anderson. wrote: »

You cant argue with religious people.

Its like arguing with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Extremists of any type are impossible to debate with.

Like extremists who say, without reserve, that

thomas anderson. wrote: »

I believe that religion causes nothing but suffering and death.

But at least we can try to keeps things civil.

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 05:57PM

thomas anderson. wrote: »

You cant argue with religious people.

Its like arguing with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You also can't argue with arrogant all knowing type people either. They won't provide much of an argument but they will sound like a massive pr*ck.

Knight who says Meh · 10-03-2014 06:23PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

So, what your saying is that with or without the CC, back then as now, we are a little nation of absolute cnuts with hardly any redeeming features?
Ok, then fair enough, i suppose i agree with you.

Nope. Im saying that society is no worse now than it has ever been. We simply have more access to information and so it can be perceived as worse.
Try to calm down a wee bit.

P_1 · 10-03-2014 06:24PM

And thus both opposing armies took out their trenching tools and all logical thinking folk wept...

Knight who says Meh · 10-03-2014 06:26PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Once again, you have no evidence, not a shred, that God doesnt exist.
If you have, produce it.
Ive never bashed anyone, gay straight or otherwise in my life.
Unlike you, Ive never attempted to ridicule anybodys belief system however outlandish or improbable because im not consumed with fury, as you are, that others seem to have a different aproach to life than I.

It is not our job to prove that gods dont exist as we are not making the claim of existance.
By your logic i can make something up right now...
let me see......
I have a magical hamster orbiting the moon in a shopping trolley and he will grant every one on earth eternal life if they believe in it.

Have you any proof that this isnt so?

Burden of proofhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

Uriel. · 10-03-2014 06:40PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

It is not our job to prove that gods dont exist as we are not making the claim of existance.
By your logic i can make something up right now...
let me see......
I have a magical hamster orbiting the moon in a shopping trolley and he will grant every one on earth eternal life if they believe in it.

Have you any proof that this isnt so?

Burden of proofhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

I for one welcome our new trolley residing, hamster overlord.

sheesh · 10-03-2014 06:48PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

It is not our job to prove that gods dont exist as we are not making the claim of existance.
By your logic i can make something up right now...
let me see......
I have a magical hamster orbiting the moon in a shopping trolley and he will grant every one on earth eternal life if they believe in it.

Have you any proof that this isnt so?

Burden of proofhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof

thats fine you go and believe in your hamster and be happy.

I don't believe in your hamster but fully recognise your right to believe in what ever you want.

10-03-2014 06:54PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Nope. Im saying that society is no worse now than it has ever been. We simply have more access to information and so it can be perceived as worse.
Try to calm down a wee bit.

That's frankly nonsense, there is as many murders in Dublin in a month now than there would have been in the whole country in a year 50 years ago. There was no drug crime, drug problems etc even 20 years ago never mind further back.The streets were a much safer place years ago, beating, muggings etc were unheard off. Robberies were extremely rare, nobody locked their house yet people weren't robbed etc etc etc etc.

That's just a quick comparison.

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

It is not our job to prove that gods dont exist as we are not making the claim of existance.
By your logic i can make something up right now...
let me see......
I have a magical hamster orbiting the moon in a shopping trolley and he will grant every one on earth eternal life if they believe in it.

I don't see 2000 years worth of books, scripts, teachings etc etc etc for your hamster. Not to people witnessing it in recent times in Knock, Medjugorje etc.

mrsbyrne · 10-03-2014 07:33PM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Nope. Im saying that society is no worse now than it has ever been. We simply have more access to information and so it can be perceived as worse.
Try to calm down a wee bit.

Soooo....what I said already. We were rotten then and were rotten now, both with and without the tyranny of the CC.
Why do you say calm down a bit? Do I seem excited? Are you concerned?

Osgoodisgood · 10-03-2014 07:34PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

That's frankly nonsense, there is as many murders in Dublin in a month now than
there would have been in the whole country in a year 50 years ago. There was no
drug crime, drug problems etc even 20 years ago never mind further back.The
streets were a much safer place years ago, beating, muggings etc were unheard
off. Robberies were extremely rare, nobody locked their house yet people weren't
robbed etc etc etc etc.

bwahahahahahaha 1994 was when Veronica Guerin starting writing about drug crime in Dublin. She was killed 2 years later for her troubles.

That's just a quick comparison.

no, that's just something you made up

I don't see 2000 years worth of books, scripts, teachings etc etc etc for your
hamster. Not to people witnessing it in recent times in Knock, Medjugorje etc.

nope, also made up

GenieOz · 10-03-2014 07:35PM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

. Not to people witnessing it in recent times in Knock, Medjugorje etc.

Lol, seriously though?

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