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  • #872
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Yes, 50 years ago.
    Why has the law not been changed since by any government?
    This UST be the sixth time I've asked this question on this thread and I've no had one single answer.

    A lack of political will I'd imagine, Irish politicians are fairly famous for leaving things to gather dust and for kicking contentious issues down the road.


  • #873
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    efb wrote: »
    They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

    This makes no sense. I presume you have no answer.


  • #874
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    If its a catholic country then you shouldnt be able to work on Sundays, get a divorce etc etc. Why do we allow them? Are we only a "Catholic" country when it suits some people?

    Add contraception, not being allowed own slaves, allowing us eat shell fish whilst wearing mixed fabric and sitting on the sofa merrily menstruating to that list


  • #875
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Ireland's a secular republic isn't it? Even if the majority are catholic.

    We live in the Semi-Catholic Republic of Ireland. Iran were liking the looks of our blasphemy law so we must be doing something right.
    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Article 44 of the constitution says "The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion."

    The preamble says "In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,
    Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,
    And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,
    Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution."

    That does not sound like a secular republic to me....

    I see no mention of Catholicism in there, just god and holy trinity. We may be protestant republic of Ireland.


  • #876
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Transubstantiation? Really?
    Ever question why so much / all of your religions pillars are undetectable from God downward?
    Why its almost as if its not there at all!
    Wafer cannot be turned into 2000 year dead Jewish man flesh. Its not possible. Really it isn't.

    Jesus is not a 2000 year old dead Jewish man.


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  • #877
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Yes, 50 years ago.
    Why has the law not been changed since by any government?
    This UST be the sixth time I've asked this question on this thread and I've no had one single answer.

    Because many of our politicians are still cap twisting God bothering types.


  • #878
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

    Going out 'on the lash' and downing pints of porter on the day we mourn Our Lord being nailed to a cross is not a good thing, in my opinion.

    Well 'mourning' a person you never met who died over 2000 years ago is not a particularly good or healthy thing in my opinion. But I am glad you are not prevented from doing it by law.


  • #879
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Jesus is not a 2000 year old dead Jewish man.

    Well biologically and historically speaking he is. The fact that he is revered in quite a few religions does not change that fact...


  • #880
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    We live in the Semi-Catholic Republic of Ireland. Iran were liking the looks of our blasphemy law so we must be doing something right.



    I see no mention of Catholicism in there, just god and holy trinity. We may be protestant republic of Ireland.

    I was refuting the incorrect claim that Ireland is a secular republic. We are a Christian nation with a large (84%) majority of Catholics.


  • #881
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    P_1 wrote: »
    A lack of political will I'd imagine, Irish politicians are fairly famous for leaving things to gather dust and for kicking contentious issues down the road.

    And who allows them to do this?


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  • #882
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Jesus is not a 2000 year old dead Jewish man.

    Correct. Hes a 2014 year dead semi mythical dead Jewish man


  • #883
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Every person on this thread complaining about no drink being sold on GF i assume you all tell your employers not to give you a day off that you want to work seen as you don't believe. Also its just a day FFS do without drink or drink at home, so i assume you all want to be working on GF, Christmas, or any other day based on a religion, bet you'd be the first complaining. Personally don't follow the RCC but to suggest that in Ireland today you are stopped from saying what you want is stupid, The Church has very little control in this country now you aren't forced to follow it's teachings anymore. Pub's are closed Christmas also should they be open on Xmas.


  • #884
    Rough Sleeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭Rough Sleeper


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Article 44 of the constitution says "The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion."
    That wouldn't be the same article in which" The State guarantees not to endow any religion," by any chance?


  • #885
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I believe it.

    Go sell crazy someplace else
    We're all stocked up here!


  • #886
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    I was refuting the incorrect claim that Ireland is a secular republic. We are a Christian nation with a large (84%) majority of Catholics.

    The constitution forbids the state from creating an established church. It also says Irish is the first language of the country.


  • #887
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    P_1 wrote: »
    Well biologically and historically speaking he is. The fact that he is revered in quite a few religions does not change that fact...

    Try as you might you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.
    Why is it so obviously pre-occupying to you what I and others believe?
    If we are cranks weirdos and nutjobs, then why don't you just move along and get on with your own life and leave us to our wakiness?
    My weirdness is not interfering with you, is it?


  • #888
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Because many of our politicians are still cap twisting God bothering types.

    Well you've got a vote I presume why don't you vote for a non God botherer?


  • #889
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Dick phelan wrote: »
    Every person on this thread complaining about no drink being sold on GF i assume you all tell your employers not to give you a day off that you want to work seen as you don't believe. Also its just a day FFS do without drink or drink at home, so i assume you all want to be working on GF, Christmas, or any other day based on a religion, bet you'd be the first complaining.

    I can see you haven't been following this thread very closely.
    Most of your points have already been refuted here.
    In other countries such as the UK and where I live, Canada, Good Friday is a public holiday and all the pubs are open.
    If it works there, why not Ireland?

    Why can't Catholics not just choose not to drink on the day.
    Do they need the government to make their decisions for them?


  • #890
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Try as you might you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.
    Why is it so obviously pre-occupying to you what I and others believe?
    If we are cranks weirdos and nutjobs, then why don't you just move along and get on with your own life and leave us to our wakiness?
    My weirdness is not interfering with you, is it?

    You can't prove a negative so that moot


  • #891
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Try as you might you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.
    Why is it so obviously pre-occupying to you what I and others believe?
    If we are cranks weirdos and nutjobs, then why don't you just move along and get on with your own life and leave us to our wakiness?
    My weirdness is not interfering with you, is it?

    Google " Burden of proof"
    Also realise that it is impossible to prove 100% that anything doesn't exist.


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  • #892
    brightspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Dick phelan wrote: »
    Every person on this thread complaining about no drink being sold on GF i assume you all tell your employers not to give you a day off that you want to work seen as you don't believe. Also its just a day FFS do without drink or drink at home, so i assume you all want to be working on GF, Christmas, or any other day based on a religion, bet you'd be the first complaining. Personally don't follow the RCC but to suggest that in Ireland today you are stopped from saying what you want is stupid, The Church has very little control in this country now you aren't forced to follow it's teachings anymore. Pub's are closed Christmas also should they be open on Xmas.

    Most people work Good Friday, it's not one of the public holidays.


  • #893
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Try as you might you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

    That is pointless, there is a long list of things you can make that claim for.


  • #894
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Try as you might you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.
    Why is it so obviously pre-occupying to you what I and others believe?
    If we are cranks weirdos and nutjobs, then why don't you just move along and get on with your own life and leave us to our wakiness?
    My weirdness is not interfering with you, is it?

    Generally not but that is mainly due to the fact that I'm a straight, childless man. The only gripe that I have is that should I spontaneously feel the need for a pint on a certain day I cannot.

    Also I don't believe I ever called you weird. I have no problem with people following religious practices provided that they don't try to force me to follow them. When they do that (no matter what religion they follow) is when I start to have a problem with them.


  • #895
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    This makes no sense. I presume you have no answer.


    I'll spell it out for you. Civil marriage is for the state the church can mind its own business. Celibate(sic) bishops don't do civil marriage so it shouldn't concern them. Should concentrate more on uncovering abuse by priests in their charge.


  • #896
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    I can see you haven't been following this thread very closely.
    Most of your points have already been refuted here.
    In other countries such as the UK and where I live, Canada, Good Friday is a public holiday and all the pubs are open.
    If it works there, why not Ireland?

    Why can't Catholics not just choose not to drink on the day.
    Do they need the government to make their decisions for them?

    Jamsiek tell the poster why the pubs are closed .
    Here's a hint. Fill in the blanks . Because its the l** of the *and. Laws made by a government and unchanged by any government since because the citizens in the majority do not demand that it be changed. That's democracy.
    And I LOVE it.


  • #897
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Jamsiek tell the poster why the pubs are closed .
    Here's a hint. Fill in the blanks . Because its the l** of the *and. Laws made by a government and unchanged by any government since because the citizens in the majority do not demand that it be changed. That's democracy.
    And I LOVE it.

    Which can also lead to oppression of minorities. i.e Uganda


  • #898
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    efb wrote: »
    I'll spell it out for you. Civil marriage is for the state the church can mind its own business. Celibate(sic) bishops don't do civil marriage so it shouldn't concern them. Should concentrate more on uncovering abuse by priests in their charge.

    Thankfully efb you just don't get to say who can have an opinion and who can't.
    This is not North Korea.
    The RCC can take a position and have an opinion.
    If you don't like that then that just tough.


  • #899
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Which can also lead to oppression of minorities. i.e Uganda

    She loves that too!

    Would she have loved Penal Laws? They were the law of the land...


  • #900
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Which can also lead to oppression of minorities. i.e Uganda

    Its already been documented on this threads, with reference, how the Ugandan authorities do not enjoy the sopport of the RCC, so your going nowhere with that angle.


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  • #901
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Thankfully efb you just don't get to say who can have an opinion and who can't.
    This is not North Korea.
    The RCC can take a position and have an opinion.
    If you don't like that then that just tough.

    If they didn't ram their opinions down people's thoughts like their curates with altar boys I wouldn't care less. But they demand a platform on the airways and threaten those who disagree. Luckily they have lost most of the influence they had .

    I should just stand back and allow the RCC to deny me rights? I don't think so- I will continue to fight for my rights in spite of indoctrinated bile spewing from lemmings


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