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  • #842
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    Yes but why not let people decide for themselves if they want to go for a pint on Good Friday?

    Nobody is forcing Catholics to go to the pub if they don't want to.
    Can they not just decide not to drink?
    Are they that weak willed that they need the government to decide for them?

    Why do people feel the need to have alcohol available 365 days a year? Can you not go one day without getting locked?


  • #843
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Nobody said anything about getting locked. And yes, most people can go one day without getting locked. The option to go for a drink should be there, especially when not everyone is christian/a believer, and when there are always tourists visiting.


  • #844
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Efb the bishops are not stopping you from marrying who you want.
    The law of the land currently says you can't marry who you want.
    Its likely that law will soon be changed.
    You are saying that you don't think the RCC should be allowed to have an opinion and express that opi ion.
    Why ?

    Its The Rcc expressed opinions and undue influence which has caused these laws to be in place to start with.


  • #845
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Nobody said anything about getting locked. And yes, most people can go one day without getting locked. The option to go for a drink should be there, especially when not everyone is christian/a believer, and when there are always tourists visiting.

    There is a plethora of other activities someone could do. Go for a meal, go to the cinema, go for a walk/cycle, play cards, samba dance, whatever... why the insistence that people need to be allowed get drunk. It says more about us as a nation if that is the case. A day of abstinence from alcohol is a good thing for the nation.


  • #846
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Efb the bishops are not stopping you from marrying who you want.
    The law of the land currently says you can't marry who you want.
    Its likely that law will soon be changed.
    You are saying that you don't think the RCC should be allowed to have an opinion and express that opi ion.
    Why ?

    They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


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  • #847
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    There is a plethora of other activities someone could do. Go for a meal, go to the cinema, go for a walk/cycle, play cards, samba dance, whatever... why the insistence that people need to be allowed get drunk. It says more about us as a nation if that is the case. A day of abstinence from alcohol is a good thing for the nation.

    Why not do this for everything? Have a day where something is banned like fizzy drinks. It would be good thing for the nation.


  • #848
    sillyoulfool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    There is a plethora of other activities someone could do. Go for a meal, go to the cinema, go for a walk/cycle, play cards, samba dance, whatever... why the insistence that people need to be allowed get drunk. It says more about us as a nation if that is the case. A day of abstinence from alcohol is a good thing for the nation.

    Why are you so opposed to individuals having the choice to have a drink if they so wish?:confused:


  • #849
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I believe it.

    Transubstantiation? Really?
    Ever question why so much / all of your religions pillars are undetectable from God downward?
    Why its almost as if its not there at all!
    Wafer cannot be turned into 2000 year dead Jewish man flesh. Its not possible. Really it isn't.


  • #850
    Dilly.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Dilly.


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    There is a plethora of other activities someone could do. Go for a meal, go to the cinema, go for a walk/cycle, play cards, samba dance, whatever... why the insistence that people need to be allowed get drunk. It says more about us as a nation if that is the case. A day of abstinence from alcohol is a good thing for the nation.

    Not everyone who drinks, drinks to get drunk! Its ridiculous to enforce the rules of one particular religion on a whole nation.


  • #851
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    sillyoulfool wrote: »
    Why are you so opposed to individuals having the choice to have a drink if they so wish?:confused:

    Mainly because I don't like the idea of my town being full of boozed up people fighting, pissing in the street, and generally acting like ruffians on the day we remember the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us all. But also because its not a bad idea to give publicans and their employees a day off, and for the nation as a whole not to drink for a day.


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  • #852
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Mainly because I don't like the idea of my town being full of boozed up people fighting, pissing in the street, and generally acting like ruffians on the day we remember the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us all. But also because its not a bad idea to give publicans and their employees a day off, and for the nation as a whole not to drink for a day.

    You do know that banning it has probably helped it to become a big drinking day where people buy it the day before or get on a train. Why would any none Christians care about "ultimate sacrifices" of someone?


  • #853
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Mainly because I don't like the idea of my town being full of boozed up people fighting, pissing in the street, and generally acting like ruffians on the day we remember the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus Christ made for us all. But also because its not a bad idea to give publicans and their employees a day off, and for the nation as a whole not to drink for a day.

    Good Friday is amongst the booziest days of year as a direct result of this ban. What does this tell you of more than 80% catholic Ireland?


  • #854
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    You do know that banning it has probably helped it to become a big drinking day where people buy it the day before or get on a train. Why would any none Christians care about "ultimate sacrifices" of someone?

    The people who do that are either chronic alcoholics, or incredibly sad.


  • #855
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    The people who do that are either chronic alcoholics, or incredibly sad.

    And by the law of odds Catholic. Seems futile.


  • #856
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    The people who do that are either chronic alcoholics, or incredibly sad.

    Not really. It's a fairly human trait for somebody to make special effort to do something when they're told that they cannot do it for some illogical reason.


  • #857
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    The people who do that are either chronic alcoholics, or incredibly sad.

    So the same about those who drink on saint patricks day? Or Christmas day?


  • #858
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Why do people feel the need to have alcohol available 365 days a year? Can you not go one day without getting locked?

    You're completely missing the point here.
    I don't go out drinking every day.
    Good Friday to me is just a Friday that is part of a long weekend.
    That is why I like to go out for a drink on the day.
    Luckily for me, I don't live in a nanny state that wants to stop me from doing it.
    Why does the government see fit to make people's decisions for them?


  • #859
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Of course it's not sad or a sign of being an alcoholic for people to drink alcohol, which they bought at the off-licence, at home with their partner/friends on good Friday night. Obviously.


  • #860
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    So the same about those who drink on saint patricks day? Or Christmas day?

    They are both days of celebration. Having a sherry with the family at Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus, and the joy of family is absolutely fine. Celebrating St. Patrick's saving of this country by bringing us into the Christian faith is also ok in my book.

    Going out 'on the lash' and downing pints of porter on the day we mourn Our Lord being nailed to a cross is not a good thing, in my opinion.


  • #861
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    They are both days of celebration. Having a sherry with the family at Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus, and the joy of family is absolutely fine. Celebrating St. Patrick's saving of this country by bringing us into the Christian faith is also ok in my book.

    Going out 'on the lash' and downing pints of porter on the day we mourn Our Lord being nailed to a cross is not a good thing, in my opinion.

    But for those of us who arent Christian it shouldnt matter then


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  • #862
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    They are both days of celebration. Having a sherry with the family at Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus, and the joy of family is absolutely fine. Celebrating St. Patrick's saving of this country by bringing us into the Christian faith is also ok in my book.

    Going out 'on the lash' and downing pints of porter on the day we mourn Our Lord being nailed to a cross is not a good thing, in my opinion.

    Your Lord. I don't believe in fairy tales.


  • #863
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    They are both days of celebration. Having a sherry with the family at Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus, and the joy of family is absolutely fine. Celebrating St. Patrick's saving of this country by bringing us into the Christian faith is also ok in my book.

    Going out 'on the lash' and downing pints of porter on the day we mourn Our Lord being nailed to a cross is not a good thing, in my opinion.

    He may well be your lord but he sure as hell ain't mine. Tell me, why should I be forced to pander to your religious sensibilities?


  • #864
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    P_1 wrote: »
    He may well be your lord but he sure as hell ain't mine. Tell me, why should I be forced to pander to your religious sensibilities?

    Because you choose to live in a Catholic country. Our constitution is expressly Christian and notes the importance of God. You should either campaign to have the constitution and laws changed (don't bother you'd be wasting your time) or move to a secular country if not being allowed drink one day of the year bothers you that much.


  • #865
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Because you choose to live in a Catholic country. Our constitution is expressly Christian and notes the importance of God. You should either campaign to have the constitution and laws changed (don't bother you'd be wasting your time) or move to a secular country if not being allowed drink one day of the year bothers you that much.

    Incorrect, as I've said earlier, Ireland is notionally a secular republic.

    Also I did not chose to live in Ireland, I was born and raised here and the vast majority of my friends and family were also born and raised here.


  • #866
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Because you choose to live in a Catholic country. Our constitution is expressly Christian and notes the importance of God. You should either campaign to have the constitution and laws changed (don't bother you'd be wasting your time) or move to a secular country if not being allowed drink one day of the year bothers you that much.

    Is the Good Friday pub ban in the constitution? Regardless, laws change all the time, and I can't see a logical one for closing down pubs for one day of the year.
    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I believe it.

    Transubstantiation is a funny one. And suggests that vegetarians can't be Catholic.


  • #867
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Because you choose to live in a Catholic country. Our constitution is expressly Christian and notes the importance of God. You should either campaign to have the constitution and laws changed (don't bother you'd be wasting your time) or move to a secular country if not being allowed drink one day of the year bothers you that much.

    If its a catholic country then you shouldnt be able to work on Sundays, get a divorce etc etc. Why do we allow them? Are we only a "Catholic" country when it suits some people?


  • #868
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Is the Good Friday pub ban in the constitution? Regardless, laws change all the time, and I can't see a logical one for closing down pubs for one day of the year.



    Transubstantiation is a funny one. And suggests that vegetarians can't be Catholic.

    Cannibalism and human sacrifice would scare a veggie off in the first instance one would think.


  • #869
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Ireland's a secular republic isn't it? Even if the majority are catholic.


  • #870
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Its The Rcc expressed opinions and undue influence which has caused these laws to be in place to start with.

    Yes, 50 years ago.
    Why has the law not been changed since by any government?
    This UST be the sixth time I've asked this question on this thread and I've no had one single answer.


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  • #871
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    P_1 wrote: »
    Incorrect, as I've said earlier, Ireland is notionally a secular republic.

    Also I did not chose to live in Ireland, I was born and raised here and the vast majority of my friends and family were also born and raised here.

    Article 44 of the constitution says "The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion."

    The preamble says "In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
    We, the people of Éire,
    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,
    Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,
    And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,
    Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution."

    That does not sound like a secular republic to me....


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