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Malaysia Airlines flight MH370-Updates and Discussion

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  • #692
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    sopretty wrote: »
    Did they state that it was of great concern in relation to this incident specifically, or whether it was of great concern in general?

    They were referring to the four passengers, which still are unconfirmed, only two are definitely confirmed. The investigation has a lot of ''unconfirmed'' reports, and the actual Malaysian Generals keep replying to questions ''Under Investigation.'' - It's all very, very puzzling.


  • #693
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    sopretty wrote: »
    Did they state that it was of great concern in relation to this incident specifically, or whether it was of great concern in general?

    They said that much earlier in the day and it was a general thing but as a result of this. About how people are linking it but really there shouldn't be any linking if airports did their job.


  • #694
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    Sully wrote: »
    They said that much earlier in the day and it was a general thing but as a result of this. About how people are linking it but really there shouldn't be any linking if airports did their job.

    Indeed, the defensiveness of the generals when questioned of Malaysia's security by a CNN journalist was worrying too as if to dismiss reports instantly.


  • #695
    brandon_flowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Sully wrote: »
    They said that much earlier in the day and it was a general thing but as a result of this. About how people are linking it but really there shouldn't be any linking if airports did their job.

    Its the responsibility of the Immigration officials not the airport I would think and it seems they definitely weren't doing their job.


  • #696
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    Its the responsibility of the Immigration officials not the airport I would think and it seems they definitely weren't doing their job.

    I'm sure that's what he was referring too, this thread is getting very bitter now with people's own interpretations of posts.


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  • #697
    sopretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭sopretty


    Sully wrote: »
    They said that much earlier in the day and it was a general thing but as a result of this. About how people are linking it but really there shouldn't be any linking if airports did their job.

    Right. If they had said it was worrying specifically to this incident, it would lead one to believe that terrorism was suspected. If however it was worrying in general, then I think it's a case maybe that the Feds can't believe how lax their passport checks are, which is worrying in and of itself.
    Basically, it seems it's the latter?


  • #698
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    It will be starting to get bright in the area in 3 hours. Hopefully, when I wake up tomorrow morning, they will have found at least some evidence of the aircraft.


  • #699
    brandon_flowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    Kavs8 wrote: »
    I'm sure that's what he was referring too, this thread is getting very bitter now with people's own interpretations of posts.

    I wasn't being smart or bitter, just pointing something out that was slightly inaccurate. If Sully takes offence I apologise to him.


  • #700
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    I wasn't being smart or bitter, just pointing something out that was slightly inaccurate. If Sully takes offence I apologise to him.

    Nor was I referring to you, but in general! I don't believe its inaccurate to refer to immigration officials as airport staff. :)


  • #701
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    People have almost certainly died, guys - it's unpleasant to read arguments just be nice to each other in this thread please? We are the lucky ones..


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  • #702
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    I wasn't being smart or bitter, just pointing something out that was slightly inaccurate. If Sully takes offence I apologise to him.

    Of course I meant the Immigration Team. I was being lazy with my reference was all, but clearly the cleaners had no connection with this :P :)

    No offence taken!


  • #703
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    Just thought I'd say this, the lack of Information from Malaysian officials is really not good enough. I'll use the Cork crash as an example;

    Just 1hr after the crash the IAA reported the time it crashed, all those onboard and the previous landing attempts etc. Whether as here although a very different situation we still have no confirmed time of crash, If I'm honest the only party giving good information is Malaysia Airlines themselves (twitter.com/MAS). It would be great if we had a poster here familiar with Malaysian culture and politics.


  • #704
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Kavs8 wrote: »
    Nor was I referring to you, but in general! I don't believe its inaccurate to refer to immigration officials as airport staff. :)

    Seriously dude, get some sleep. Great thread, but unless you are "on the ground" out there, you are starting to sound obsessive about an issue you have no control over.


  • #705
    therecklessone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    Kavs8 wrote: »
    another question what (only a 777 captain would know this) airline made it the ''pilots aircraft''.

    How will you know if his answer is truthful so?


  • #706
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Sully wrote: »
    The sources that I am looking at haven't said that. Just not 'confirmed' it's from the plane. :confused:

    All the mainstream media just suddenly stopped talking about it.

    Avherald said this:
    In the evening of Mar 9th 2014 local time Malaysia's Transport Ministry reported, that no trace of the missing aircraft has been found at dawn Mar 9th after two days of search. The oil slicks as well as debris found so far are not related to the aircraft.
    http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=1

    That was the old debris by the way, not the one we saw pictures of a few hours ago, that's still to be investigated.


  • #707
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    Obsessive? I've provided information on this forum people have been grateful for, If I'm being told to leave then fine, but I've done absolutely nothing wrong. I'm interested because 239 people have disappeared along with a state of the art aircraft in a sector I have a great interest in, if that's obsessive in an aviation forum then sorry.


  • #708
    Grandeeod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    therecklessone wrote: »
    How will you know if his answer is truthful so?

    Begs the question, doesnt it?


  • #709
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Can we just stick to the topic at hand? Put each other on ignore if you don't agree with each other.


  • #710
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    therecklessone wrote: »
    How will you know if his answer is truthful so?

    Because that same airline Is known by all 777 drivers as having critical involvement in its development, I only know because I have studied information on the 777, if you would like evidence of that and the answer I'll inform you via PM.

    To all can we now stop with personal attacks and move on, I really would like to get back to thread.


  • #711
    brandon_flowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    I work with them every day of the week, we have 600 people in an office in KL. They are fine, no better or worse than ourselves when it comes to organizing stuff.

    What I will say is this - when OZ214 crash landed the FD weren't too quick with solid info about rolling over victims. They had to make sure they knew what had happened before making a definite statement. There is no point giving out statements if there are no new facts. Facts are all that matter right now. For the families it is difficult of course but what else can the officials do. We will only have a confirmed time of crash when they recover data from the black boxes.


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  • #712
    therecklessone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    Kavs8 wrote: »
    Because that same airline Is known by all 777 drivers as having critical involvement in its development, I only know because I have studied information on the 777, if you would like evidence of that and the answer I'll inform you via PM.

    No, you're grand. Just happy to establish one doesn't need to be a B777 pilot to know the answer.


  • #713
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    I work with them every day of the week, we have 600 people in an office in KL. They are fine, no better or worse than ourselves when it comes to organizing stuff.

    What I will say is this - when OZ214 crash landed the FD weren't too quick with solid info about rolling over victims. They had to make sure they knew what had happened before making a definite statement. There is no point giving out statements if there are no new facts. Facts are all that matter right now. For the families it is difficult of course but what else can the officials do. We will only have a confirmed time of crash when they recover data from the black boxes.

    Cheers for that post.


  • #714
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Kavs8 wrote: »
    Just thought I'd say this, the lack of Information from Malaysian officials is really not good enough. I'll use the Cork crash as an example;

    Just 1hr after the crash the IAA reported the time it crashed, all those onboard and the previous landing attempts etc. Whether as here although a very different situation we still have no confirmed time of crash, If I'm honest the only party giving good information is Malaysia Airlines themselves (twitter.com/MAS). It would be great if we had a poster here familiar with Malaysian culture and politics.

    But this is not a sensible comparison and suggesting that the Malaysian and Vietnamese authorities should be able to do likewise is really....well, unwise.

    a) we don't know exactly what time the plane disappeared. We can make an educated guess courtesy of Flightradar 24's data but really for confirmation, it would be nice to have the data recorders

    b) we don't know exactly where it has crashed. Again, we have a ball park idea but the crash was over water so wreckage will have drifted somewhat

    c) we do not know what condition the aircraft was in when it came down.

    It's much easier to know all this if the plane crashes at the end of the runway. You're asking for the impossible and the unfair here and that's before you add to the fact that the search requires coordination of personnel and equipment from what, nine countries now?

    Again, it will be daylight in the area in a few hours time. Sometimes you just have to wait.


  • #715
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    therecklessone wrote: »
    No, you're grand. Just happy to establish one doesn't need to be a B777 pilot to know the answer.

    Well to access the FCOMs which have the information I asked you need to be pretty high-up. And to clarify I am not trying to get anything over on anybody, but I'm tired of reading posts to be confronted with I'm a 777 driver I know more then you, well I doubt it because alike me and everyone nobody knows more then anyone its a crash and there is no information. And the information cost is a barrier to a tracker on the 777 is false, if you want proof of that I'll also post.

    Now can we leave it at that are does anybody else have an issue with me?


  • #716
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    Calina wrote: »
    But this is not a sensible comparison and suggesting that the Malaysian and Vietnamese authorities should be able to do likewise is really....well, unwise.

    a) we don't know exactly what time the plane disappeared. We can make an educated guess courtesy of Flightradar 24's data but really for confirmation, it would be nice to have the data recorders

    b) we don't know exactly where it has crashed. Again, we have a ball park idea but the crash was over water so wreckage will have drifted somewhat

    c) we do not know what condition the aircraft was in when it came down.

    It's much easier to know all this if the plane crashes at the end of the runway. You're asking for the impossible and the unfair here and that's before you add to the fact that the search requires coordination of personnel and equipment from what, nine countries now?

    Again, it will be daylight in the area in a few hours time. Sometimes you just have to wait.

    I know but the IAA knew the time NM7100 dropped off radar on the way down from Dublin to Cork before accessing any data, why can't the Malaysians confirm from radar that's all I'm asking.


  • #717
    Growler!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/BOEING/B777.html

    Fcoms, and I'm not high up :-)


  • #718
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    Growler!!! wrote: »
    http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/BOEING/B777.html

    Fcoms, and I'm not high up :-)

    In relation to airline SOP's, Christ I have FCOM's from numerous aircraft to my hand. :mad:


  • #719
    symbolic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭symbolic


    Kavs8 wrote: »

    Now can we leave it at that are does anybody else have an issue with me?

    If your asking I found "Please shut up before spouting waffle.", a bit rude :)


  • #720
    Kavs8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Kavs8


    symbolic wrote: »
    If your asking I found "Please shut up before spouting waffle.", a bit rude :)

    Well then I apologise and to anybody else I offended.:(


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  • #721
    Growler!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    Kavs8 wrote: »
    In relation to airline SOP's, Christ I have FCOM's from numerous aircraft to my hand. :mad:


    Airline specific info will be in OMA and OMB not fcoms!

    No point getting smart mate!


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