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Do the student unions in this country actually help students?

  • 09-03-2014 05:31PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭


    Or are they just another form of youth politics? Personally I can only speak for UCD's "union" but I think they are a collective of self serving individuals with political ambitions. The previous student union in UCD didn't even have an accountant or publish their expenses. When they published the accounts 1 million was missing. 1 million's a nice round number so chances are it's more. The student bar in UCD, once the busiest bar in Ireland went out of business and several people lost their jobs under their management.

    I won't get into how some of the union members used this money but I will say that one ex union member (and son of a prominent politician who also involved in an expense scandal) used a government limo to ferry him and other people from UCD to the Radison hotel (Across the road from UCD). Other members claimed rent expenses while still living with their parents.

    Some of these people have now entered youth politics and undoubtedly will be as corrupt as they were in student politics.

    As regard helping students they have been a joke. Students who have been temporarily unable to pay fees have been kicked out of the library have received no help from them on this issue. Instead the sit around getting paid for doing nothing.

    What's everyone elses opinion of the student unions?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    They can help out with small things around the college but overall if they disagree with something all they can do is have a protest that offers a free pint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭sillyoulfool


    No.
    they help aspiring politicians of the future develop a profile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭pajor


    In short the DIT SU are better than that. I was a class rep a couple of years back and they were keen to point out financial transparency. Accounts available of the website and all (at least back then).

    Edit: Can't find them on the website but DIT SU are a registered company, so accounts have to be filed with the CRO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    They organise the RAG week and give out chape condoms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    Student unions only exist as a training ground for the politicians of tomorrow. Everyone involved in a student union is an asshole of the highest order. They dont do anything, the whole thing only exists to serve the people running it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    DCU students union was exactly the same, absolutely useless for, well, everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I think they are a collective of self serving individuals with political ambitions.

    Fixed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    They can help out with small things around the college but overall if they disagree with something all they can do is have a protest that offers a free pint.

    They don't even do that though. Students in UCD are being kicked out of the library for being unable to afford fees and the union haven't done a thing about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    they are the playschool for the sociopaths that end up running the country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    When my baby was sick the creche she went to on campus told me of a fund that the college had that I could apply to through the student union and they gave me a couple hundred and were really helpful. I was working and studying at the time and trying to pay for hospital visits and medicine and really couldn't have gotten through it without that payment at the time, they were really helpful and weren't judgemental or anything about me looking for handouts. Don't know if that's more the college or the SU but they were who I dealt with to get it. They also asked me the next year if I wanted to apply again but didn't need it thankfully.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    somefeen wrote: »
    Student unions only exist as a training ground for the politicians of tomorrow. Everyone involved in a student union is an asshole of the highest order. They dont do anything, the whole thing only exists to serve the people running it

    I personally know members of the union who have skimmed large amounts of money from student contributions who have entered party politics. Stealing from students is particularly low imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Tasden wrote: »
    When my baby was sick the creche she went to on campus told me of a fund that the college had that I could apply to through the student union and they gave me a couple hundred and were really helpful. I was working and studying at the time and trying to pay for hospital visits and medicine and really couldn't have gotten through it without that payment at the time, they were really helpful and weren't judgemental or anything about me looking for handouts. Don't know if that's more the college or the SU but they were who I dealt with to get it. They also asked me the next year if I wanted to apply again but didn't need it thankfully.

    If it's UCD that's the college and the people who sit on the welfare fund. You apply through the union.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    If it's UCD that's the college and the people who sit on the welfare fund. You apply through the union.

    Nah a different college, I know the fund is the college but in order to actually apply and stuff its the SU you've to deal with and begging for handouts is difficult enough but they were helpful and nice about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I personally know members of the union who have skimmed large amounts of money from student contributions who have entered party politics. Stealing from students is particularly low imo.

    could you not go to the media with this info?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    It's full of egotistical, self-entitled sociopaths.

    So, like an extreme version of politics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    could you not go to the media with this info?

    The university papers have the info on these people but they won't release it because it would be damaging to the students involved, the welfare funds and the campaigns (eg AWARE ect).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Here's link to the missing money story. The bit in bold is interesting.
    Mark Hilliard and Louise Hogan – Updated 04 December 2012 02:08 PM
    THE students' union at University College Dublin has run up debts of €1.4m following years of catastrophic accountancy practices.




    The Revenue Commissioners, which is owed nearly €400,000 in unpaid tax liabilities, have been contacted.
    A meeting at the university campus last night, attended by over 100 students, was given details of the union's deficit following a thorough audit of its financial affairs from 2007 to June last year.
    It uncovered a lack of systematic book-keeping; missing bank statements, paperwork and cheque stubs; and evidence that the union had paid employees without deducting tax.
    Gerry McNally, of McNally Business Services Ltd, told the meeting he had been called in to "get a position in terms of what the financial status of the union was" and to "put systems in place to make sure that the problems do not go forward".
    With an annual turnover of around €4m, the union was a "big organisation by Irish standards" and included four retail outlets, Mr McNally said.
    "There has been no real control of day-to-day spending."
    Cheques
    He said his team had uncovered a "really poor, or lack of management" in financial activities.
    Slides shown during the half-hour presentation cited a "lack of clarity and transparency between (union) entities" and "no formal management reporting" as well as "substandard books and records".
    "We couldn't find cheques written so we couldn't find out who cheques had been written to," said Mr McNally.
    There were up to 23,000 bank transactions over the four-year period and as many as 10,000 of these held no initial explanation.
    While the trawl of the union's books has been completed, it must be signed off by an external accountant -- a process likely to take another two months.
    It was unclear last night what action, if any, the Revenue is likely to take, although the meeting heard that the union could face interest and penalties on the €397,000 outstanding in tax liabilities.
    Union shop losses over the period ran to some €358,000 and general cost overruns within the organisation itself reached €210,000.
    Mr McNally said that formal structures had now been put in place to ensure that the situation does not arise again.
    Income
    In the meantime, the union is facing the prospect of seeking a hefty bank loan of up to €900,000 in order to pay its bills. It is unclear what financial involvement, if any, the university has in the union's affairs or whether it will be in a position to offer any assistance.
    However, referring to income received from student registration, union president Pat de Brun said: "We are in a pretty unique position because not many businesses can go in and say we have guaranteed income of €700,000 a year."
    Irish Independent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    Depends what you mean by "help" students.

    As far as I see they dont do anything remotely beneficial to a students academic life. They play the politicians to get elected wasting money on tat to give out, then once elected they stick to their core duties of organising piss ups and showing up for photo opportunities.

    So if you mean in terms of academics then no they dont help students, if you mean do they organise piss ups then yes they do help students have a good time while their actual college work usually suffers for it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I personally know members of the union who have skimmed large amounts of money from student contributions who have entered party politics. Stealing from students is particularly low imo.

    Yeah stealing from the sick elderly or working people is far less a crime than stealing from students.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Depends what you mean by "help" students.

    As far as I see they dont do anything remotely beneficial to a students academic life. They play the politicians to get elected wasting money on tat to give out, then once elected they stick to their core duties of organising piss ups and showing up for photo opportunities.

    So if you mean in terms of academics then no they dont help students, if you mean do they organise piss ups then yes they do help students have a good time while their actual college work usually suffers for it.


    Here's a clear example. Many students can't afford to pay college fees by a certain date. Those students can often pay later but not now i.e. it's a case of can't pay as opposed to won't pay. The union doesn't have a stance on the issue and any time they have been asked to get involved the side step the issue. Representing students on this issue would actually involve too much work for them. Bear in mind every student pays a compulsory fee to the union to represent them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    jane82 wrote: »
    Yeah stealing from the sick elderly or working people is far less a crime than stealing from students.

    Well yes that's worse IMO. I didn't say it wasn't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    jane82 wrote: »
    Yeah stealing from the sick elderly or working people is far less a crime than stealing from students.

    Fup off, this thread is about an entirely different thing. Take it to another thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Fup off, this thread is about an entirely different thing. Take it to another thread.

    I don't get it. Who steals from elderly or sick people?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't get it. Who steals from elderly or sick people?

    Thieves I'd imagine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭LostBoy101


    You are not wrong in saying SUs don't help students in most bigger colleges like UCD and TCD. It is the playground for those who wish to have a politicial career.

    However my college has got it act together and brought in an accountant this year to ensure that we don't run up any debts. We've improved a lot this year and set a solid structure for our union. A student hardship fund was established and helped many students pay for their bus fares, lunch etc.. I just hope our next SU officiers don't ruin what we've established this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    LostBoy101 wrote: »
    You are not wrong in saying SUs don't help students in most bigger colleges like UCD and TCD. It is the playground for those who wish to have a politicial career.

    However my college has got it act together and brought in an accountant this year to ensure that we don't run up any debts. We've improved a lot this year and set a solid structure for our union. A student hardship fund was established and helped many students pay for their bus fares, lunch etc.. I just hope our next SU officiers don't ruin what we've established this year.


    That's good to hear LostBoy. Just be careful who you vote in and you'll be grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Someone needs to tell them there's no 'i' in student union.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Someone needs to tell them there's no 'i' in student union.

    There's two U's, though. And some other letters. Also, if you mispronounce union, it sounds like onion, which have layers like ogres. Mean old men are sometimes referred to as ogres. Many politicians are mean old men. Some are donkeys. Basically politics is Shrek.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    It being AH, there'll be reams and reams of "Student unions are bad" because that's the thing to say, but obviously they have their good points. I'd prefer they were there, than not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    It being AH, there'll be reams and reams of "Student unions are bad" because that's the thing to say, but obviously they have their good points. I'd prefer they were there, than not.

    To be honest I don't think they make much difference.


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