Selling a car ..road tax

josealdo · 08-03-2014 08:28PM #1

hi

my van is out of tax 3 months ,,,,,,,, if I sell it now am I liable for the last 3 months with the new tax laws ?

cheers

figs:D

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 08-03-2014 08:28PM

Did you use it on the road in that time?

CiniO · 08-03-2014 08:29PM

figs666 wrote: »

hi

my van is out of tax 3 months ,,,,,,,, if I sell it now am I liable for the last 3 months with the new tax laws ?

cheers

figs:D

No, you are not.

CiniO · 08-03-2014 08:31PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Did you use it on the road in that time?

Even if he used it, he is not liable for tax.
He might be guilty of an offence - driving untaxed vehicle.
But this wouldn't make him liable for tax.

josealdo · 08-03-2014 08:46PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Did you use it on the road in that time?

Kinda:pac:

corktina · 08-03-2014 08:48PM

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 08-03-2014 08:55PM

corktina wrote: »

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

As he says he did, then he owes the tax
My annual tax bill is near 3.5-4k atm, and I pay it - even though I don't like it - so I think it is only fair that others should be made pay too.

CiniO · 08-03-2014 08:56PM

corktina wrote: »

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

Morally - you are possibly right.
But legally he is not liable for tax.

josealdo · 08-03-2014 08:56PM

so someone could potentially let the tax run out , "sell" the van to your brother , tax it for 3 months , let the tax run out ,your brother could "sell" it back to you .

CiniO · 08-03-2014 08:58PM

figs666 wrote: »

so someone could potentially let the tax run out , "sell" the van to your brother , tax it for 3 months , let the tax run out ,your brother could "sell" it back to you .

With current system we have in operation - yes.
Insurance makes the process you are describing quite difficult though, as most insurers require vehicle to be registered on insured's name.

D Trent · 08-03-2014 08:59PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

As he says he did, then he owes the tax
My annual tax bill is near 3.5-4k atm, and I pay it - even though I don't like it - so I think it is only fair that others should be made pay too.

What the f*c* are u driving?

josealdo · 08-03-2014 09:01PM

corktina wrote: »

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

I pay close to 20k a year in taxes , if I can get away with paying some tax then I will .

especially when I see where the money goes .............. 21Billion in social welfare payments ....... come on .:mad:

ivar callaly mobile phone bill of 3k to a business that didn't exist , no thanks mate

Big Nasty · 08-03-2014 09:02PM

WTF is going on with the whole SORN thing?

Shouldn't you receive a fine in the post now for not having your car taxed unless declared off the road?

If not, what was the big hulabaloo about six months back?

CiniO · 08-03-2014 09:05PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

WTF is going on with the whole SORN thing?

Shouldn't you receive a fine in the post now for not having your car taxed unless declared off the road?

If not, what was the big hulabaloo about six months back?

He shouldn't receive any fine, as "new SORD system" doesn't account for that.

Vehicle can generally have 3 statuses.

1. Taxed.
2. Untaxed and declared off the road.
3. Untaxed (and not declared).

In third case, arrears are to be paid for untaxed period, should the current owner decide to tax the vehicle. However if he gets rid of the car (sells, exports, scraps, etc) he is not liable to pay any arrears.

That's in short how new system works.

corktina · 08-03-2014 09:06PM

no you wont get a fine in the post because the whole system is a badly thought out half-arsed farce.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 08-03-2014 09:06PM

D Trent wrote: »

What the f*c* are u driving?

Among others
2.0d carina
5.7v8 GMC C1500
2010 Skoda Superb (soon for sale, won't be taxin her again)
1998 E36 318is 1.9
1979 Datsun "Frankenstein" Cherry

So that's 710 + 350 (or 1809 private cc tax)+390+680+56
So just 2k actually (assuming I get commercial tax on the truck, if not it is near 3.5k)
**** I should'nt have added that up!

obezyana · 08-03-2014 09:51PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Among others
2.0d carina
5.7v8 GMC C1500
2010 Skoda Superb (soon for sale, won't be taxin her again)
1998 E36 318is 1.9
1979 Datsun "Frankenstein" Cherry

So that's 710 + 350 (or 1809 private cc tax)+390+680+56
So just 2k actually (assuming I get commercial tax on the truck, if not it is near 3.5k)
**** I should'nt have added that up!

That's a nice collection you have

josealdo · 09-03-2014 06:30PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Among others
2.0d carina
5.7v8 GMC C1500
2010 Skoda Superb (soon for sale, won't be taxin her again)
1998 E36 318is 1.9
1979 Datsun "Frankenstein" Cherry

So that's 710 + 350 (or 1809 private cc tax)+390+680+56
So just 2k actually (assuming I get commercial tax on the truck, if not it is near 3.5k)
**** I should'nt have added that up!

is that 56 euro to tax the 1979 Datsun ?

Big Nasty · 09-03-2014 06:33PM

figs666 wrote: »

is that 56 euro to tax the 1979 Datsun ?

It would be, yeah.

Anything 30 years + qualifies for classic tax. Anything built before 1/1/80 is NCT exempt.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 09-03-2014 08:57PM

figs666 wrote: »

is that 56 euro to tax the 1979 Datsun ?

Except for it is not a datsun, it is a 1989 Nissan 300 zx 3.0 v6 commercial...

Big Nasty · 09-03-2014 09:04PM

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Except for it is not a datsun, it is a 1989 Nissan 300 zx 3.0 v6 commercial...

It's been declared as commercial too?

You fookin snake!

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 09-03-2014 09:09PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

It's been declared as commercial too?

You fookin snake!

Not yet
The conversion has been done but I need SQI signoff for commercial tax.
Anyone know where I can get that done? The NSAI website doesn't load for me in IE and Chrome.

mickdw · 09-03-2014 09:11PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

WTF is going on with the whole SORN thing?

Shouldn't you receive a fine in the post now for not having your car taxed unless declared off the road?

If not, what was the big hulabaloo about six months back?

That was my initial understanding of how it would work. That is how it works in the UK but this being Ireland they left it kind of open ended meaning is a joke of a system.
How easy would it have been to copy the UK setup whereby car is either declared off road or taxed with fines issuing for all other situations

V.W.L 11 · 09-03-2014 09:14PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

It would be, yeah.

Anything 30 years + qualifies for classic tax. Anything built before 1/1/80 is NCT exempt.

Only before 1980???i thought anything over 30 years old was exempt from nct?

corktina · 09-03-2014 09:29PM

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Only before 1980???i thought anything over 30 years old was exempt from nct?

not any more

V.W.L 11 · 09-03-2014 09:37PM

corktina wrote: »

not any more

next you'll have to take a brand new car straight from the dealers to the nct centre like taxi's,f**king country :mad:

corktina · 09-03-2014 09:51PM

a bit extreme....

roadsmart · 09-03-2014 10:08PM

figs666 wrote: »

hi

my van is out of tax 3 months ,,,,,,,, if I sell it now am I liable for the last 3 months with the new tax laws ?

cheers

figs:D

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Did you use it on the road in that time?

figs666 wrote: »

Kinda:pac:

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

As he says he did, then he owes the tax
My annual tax bill is near 3.5-4k atm, and I pay it - even though I don't like it - so I think it is only fair that others should be made pay too.

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Except for it is not a datsun, it is a 1989 Nissan 300 zx 3.0 v6 commercial...

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Not yet
The conversion has been done but I need SQI signoff for commercial tax.
Anyone know where I can get that done? The NSAI website doesn't load for me in IE and Chrome.

Soooo........

He's looking for a loophole, and you're looking for a loophole...........

...but he's in the wrong?

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 09-03-2014 10:20PM

roadsmart wrote: »

Soooo........

He's looking for a loophole, and you're looking for a loophole...........

...but he's in the wrong?

Still paying tax amn't i?

roadsmart · 09-03-2014 10:32PM

Doesn't really matter to me one iota if you are or not, I was just interested in how you differentiated between him not paying 3 months commercial tax once and you trying to avoid almost €1500 tax yearly.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 09-03-2014 10:34PM

roadsmart wrote: »

Doesn't really matter to me one iota if you are or not, I was just interested in how you differentiated between him not paying 3 months commercial tax once and you trying to avoid almost €1500 tax yearly.

I differentiate because I pay tax and he doesn't.
Like I said, I pay north of 2k tax anyway. Even with commercial tax on my truck and my zed.

Selling a car ..road tax

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