Selling a car ..road tax

josealdo

hi

my van is out of tax 3 months ,,,,,,,, if I sell it now am I liable for the last 3 months with the new tax laws ?

cheers

figs:D

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Did you use it on the road in that time?

CiniO

figs666 wrote: »

hi

my van is out of tax 3 months ,,,,,,,, if I sell it now am I liable for the last 3 months with the new tax laws ?

cheers

figs:D

No, you are not.

CiniO

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Did you use it on the road in that time?

Even if he used it, he is not liable for tax.
He might be guilty of an offence - driving untaxed vehicle.
But this wouldn't make him liable for tax.

josealdo

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Did you use it on the road in that time?

Kinda:pac:

corktina

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

corktina wrote: »

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

As he says he did, then he owes the tax
My annual tax bill is near 3.5-4k atm, and I pay it - even though I don't like it - so I think it is only fair that others should be made pay too.

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

Morally - you are possibly right.
But legally he is not liable for tax.

josealdo

so someone could potentially let the tax run out , "sell" the van to your brother , tax it for 3 months , let the tax run out ,your brother could "sell" it back to you .

CiniO

figs666 wrote: »

so someone could potentially let the tax run out , "sell" the van to your brother , tax it for 3 months , let the tax run out ,your brother could "sell" it back to you .

With current system we have in operation - yes.
Insurance makes the process you are describing quite difficult though, as most insurers require vehicle to be registered on insured's name.

D Trent

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

As he says he did, then he owes the tax
My annual tax bill is near 3.5-4k atm, and I pay it - even though I don't like it - so I think it is only fair that others should be made pay too.

What the f*c* are u driving?

josealdo

corktina wrote: »

give it a rest eh... If he didn't use it he is not liable for the tax,should he sell it, BUT if he did, he SHOULD pay the tax. I pay my tax all the time, and I think no one should get away with it, never mind what loopholes remain to be closed.

I pay close to 20k a year in taxes , if I can get away with paying some tax then I will .

especially when I see where the money goes .............. 21Billion in social welfare payments ....... come on .:mad:

ivar callaly mobile phone bill of 3k to a business that didn't exist , no thanks mate

Big Nasty

WTF is going on with the whole SORN thing?

Shouldn't you receive a fine in the post now for not having your car taxed unless declared off the road?

If not, what was the big hulabaloo about six months back?

CiniO

Big Nasty wrote: »

WTF is going on with the whole SORN thing?

Shouldn't you receive a fine in the post now for not having your car taxed unless declared off the road?

If not, what was the big hulabaloo about six months back?

He shouldn't receive any fine, as "new SORD system" doesn't account for that.

Vehicle can generally have 3 statuses.

1. Taxed.
2. Untaxed and declared off the road.
3. Untaxed (and not declared).

In third case, arrears are to be paid for untaxed period, should the current owner decide to tax the vehicle. However if he gets rid of the car (sells, exports, scraps, etc) he is not liable to pay any arrears.

That's in short how new system works.

corktina

no you wont get a fine in the post because the whole system is a badly thought out half-arsed farce.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

D Trent wrote: »

What the f*c* are u driving?

Among others
2.0d carina
5.7v8 GMC C1500
2010 Skoda Superb (soon for sale, won't be taxin her again)
1998 E36 318is 1.9
1979 Datsun "Frankenstein" Cherry

So that's 710 + 350 (or 1809 private cc tax)+390+680+56
So just 2k actually (assuming I get commercial tax on the truck, if not it is near 3.5k)
**** I should'nt have added that up!

obezyana

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Among others
2.0d carina
5.7v8 GMC C1500
2010 Skoda Superb (soon for sale, won't be taxin her again)
1998 E36 318is 1.9
1979 Datsun "Frankenstein" Cherry

So that's 710 + 350 (or 1809 private cc tax)+390+680+56
So just 2k actually (assuming I get commercial tax on the truck, if not it is near 3.5k)
**** I should'nt have added that up!

That's a nice collection you have

josealdo

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Among others
2.0d carina
5.7v8 GMC C1500
2010 Skoda Superb (soon for sale, won't be taxin her again)
1998 E36 318is 1.9
1979 Datsun "Frankenstein" Cherry

So that's 710 + 350 (or 1809 private cc tax)+390+680+56
So just 2k actually (assuming I get commercial tax on the truck, if not it is near 3.5k)
**** I should'nt have added that up!

is that 56 euro to tax the 1979 Datsun ?

Big Nasty

figs666 wrote: »

is that 56 euro to tax the 1979 Datsun ?

It would be, yeah.

Anything 30 years + qualifies for classic tax. Anything built before 1/1/80 is NCT exempt.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

figs666 wrote: »

is that 56 euro to tax the 1979 Datsun ?

Except for it is not a datsun, it is a 1989 Nissan 300 zx 3.0 v6 commercial...

Big Nasty

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Except for it is not a datsun, it is a 1989 Nissan 300 zx 3.0 v6 commercial...

It's been declared as commercial too?

You fookin snake!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Big Nasty wrote: »

It's been declared as commercial too?

You fookin snake!

Not yet
The conversion has been done but I need SQI signoff for commercial tax.
Anyone know where I can get that done? The NSAI website doesn't load for me in IE and Chrome.

mickdw

Big Nasty wrote: »

WTF is going on with the whole SORN thing?

Shouldn't you receive a fine in the post now for not having your car taxed unless declared off the road?

If not, what was the big hulabaloo about six months back?

That was my initial understanding of how it would work. That is how it works in the UK but this being Ireland they left it kind of open ended meaning is a joke of a system.
How easy would it have been to copy the UK setup whereby car is either declared off road or taxed with fines issuing for all other situations

V.W.L 11

Big Nasty wrote: »

It would be, yeah.

Anything 30 years + qualifies for classic tax. Anything built before 1/1/80 is NCT exempt.

Only before 1980???i thought anything over 30 years old was exempt from nct?

corktina

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Only before 1980???i thought anything over 30 years old was exempt from nct?

not any more

V.W.L 11

corktina wrote: »

not any more

next you'll have to take a brand new car straight from the dealers to the nct centre like taxi's,f**king country :mad:

corktina

a bit extreme....

roadsmart

figs666 wrote: »

hi

my van is out of tax 3 months ,,,,,,,, if I sell it now am I liable for the last 3 months with the new tax laws ?

cheers

figs:D

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Did you use it on the road in that time?

figs666 wrote: »

Kinda:pac:

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

As he says he did, then he owes the tax
My annual tax bill is near 3.5-4k atm, and I pay it - even though I don't like it - so I think it is only fair that others should be made pay too.

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Except for it is not a datsun, it is a 1989 Nissan 300 zx 3.0 v6 commercial...

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Not yet
The conversion has been done but I need SQI signoff for commercial tax.
Anyone know where I can get that done? The NSAI website doesn't load for me in IE and Chrome.

Soooo........

He's looking for a loophole, and you're looking for a loophole...........

...but he's in the wrong?

Cleveland Hot Pocket

roadsmart wrote: »

Soooo........

He's looking for a loophole, and you're looking for a loophole...........

...but he's in the wrong?

Still paying tax amn't i?

roadsmart

Doesn't really matter to me one iota if you are or not, I was just interested in how you differentiated between him not paying 3 months commercial tax once and you trying to avoid almost €1500 tax yearly.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

roadsmart wrote: »

Doesn't really matter to me one iota if you are or not, I was just interested in how you differentiated between him not paying 3 months commercial tax once and you trying to avoid almost €1500 tax yearly.

I differentiate because I pay tax and he doesn't.
Like I said, I pay north of 2k tax anyway. Even with commercial tax on my truck and my zed.

roadsmart

I can't see any difference, apart from you trying to get away with far more than the OP of course. Each to his own, I suppose.

Btw I don't really see anything wrong with either of you trying to avoid the tax, I just find it odd that you would mount the lofty horse while being in a not dissimilar position yourself.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

roadsmart wrote: »

I can't see any difference, apart from you trying to get away with far more than the OP of course. Each to his own, I suppose.

Btw I don't really see anything wrong with either of you trying to avoid the tax, I just find it odd that you would mount the lofty horse while being in a not dissimilar position yourself.

So, I pay €2.5k+ in motor tax, yet I am "not too dissimilar" to a tax dodger?
Yeah, that makes sense.

V.W.L 11

corktina wrote: »

a bit extreme....

Nothing is extreme with the irish government

roadsmart

OP didn't say anywhere that he doesn't pay tax in general as you seem to imply, just the last 3 months worth on one vehicle which he's now selling, so yes, he's trying to dodge the 3 months tax. You are attempting to avoid a yearly tax bill of €1500 by having a vehicle declared a commercial, so you are also trying to dodge tax. The only other differences are the amounts, and the fact that he has driven his van untaxed. It appears to me that you are both attempting to dodge tax, and for you to brand him a tax dodger when you are trying to do the same thing seems very odd. As already stated, I have very little issue with what either of you are trying to do, but I really don't think you are in a position to be uppity with the OP for asking the question. Good luck with the commercial application.

corktina

there's no problem surely in converting a vehicle to commercial, whatever it is, provided it is then used as a commercial

Cleveland Hot Pocket

roadsmart wrote: »

OP didn't say anywhere that he doesn't pay tax in general as you seem to imply, just the last 3 months worth on one vehicle which he's now selling, so yes, he's trying to dodge the 3 months tax. You are attempting to avoid a yearly tax bill of €1500 by having a vehicle declared a commercial, so you are also trying to dodge tax. The only other differences are the amounts, and the fact that he has driven his van untaxed. It appears to me that you are both attempting to dodge tax, and for you to brand him a tax dodger when you are trying to do the same thing seems very odd. As already stated, I have very little issue with what either of you are trying to do, but I really don't think you are in a position to be uppity with the OP for asking the question. Good luck with the commercial application.

His van was also taxed commercially. Have you asked if he was solely using it for commercial use?

roadsmart

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

His van was also taxed commercially. Have you asked if he was solely using it for commercial use?

Whether it's private or commercial he's still trying to avoid the tax, so it makes no difference to my reasoning. He's trying not to pay 3 months commercial tax, and you're trying to convert from private to commercial in order to lower your tax. It still comes down to the same thing. Really though, good luck to both of you.

@corktina, I can't see any problem.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

roadsmart wrote: »

Whether it's private or commercial he's still trying to avoid the tax, so it makes no difference to my reasoning. He's trying not to pay 3 months commercial tax, and you're trying to convert from private to commercial in order to lower your tax. It still comes down to the same thing. Really though, good luck to both of you.

@corktina, I can't see any problem.

Not the same thing.
I'm trying to tax my van and truck at the commercial rate, hence paying tax for the period that the vehicle is used.
He is not even paying the commercial rate, while using the vehicle.

roadsmart

Like I said, good luck having it converted.

josealdo

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

His van was also taxed commercially. Have you asked if he was solely using it for commercial use?

my van is taxed commercially and I haven't used it even once commercially and don't plan to in the future either .:D

V.W.L 11

figs666 wrote: »

my van is taxed commercially and I haven't used it even once commercially and don't plan to in the future either .:D

half the country is at that sure!but as I know well,money matters not the government

corktina

don't be coming on here whinging now when they catch you (which I hope they do).

josealdo

corktina wrote: »

don't be coming on here whinging now when they catch you (which I hope they do).

They won't catch me , I've a Guiness label in the tax holder , fools the BEAT COPPERS

josealdo

figs666 wrote: »

They won't catch me , I've a Guiness label in the tax holder , fools the BEAT COPPERS

i got caught with no tax

Alan_007_

figs666 wrote: »

i got caught with no tax

What happened?

josealdo

Alan_007_ wrote: »

What happened?

garda pulled me in . he said he saw nothing up on the windscreen .

i showed him my recent DOE test and he left me off .

miller82

My cousin was talking about the following doing the following scenario with his girlfriend. I'm sceptical, but is it correct that this can actually be done with the current regime/tax system

girlfriend has car X
Boyfriend has car Y

Car X is uninsured for something mental like nearly two years ( i know)
Car Y is fine

he wants to "buy" car X off his missus, ( I have to try focus to get this bit right), he will then transfer his insurance policy to X from his own, and then tax it for the year. She will take ownership of his car, car Y and have her insurance on that.
Then in a few months, they buy one another cars back , transfer insurance back and they have managed to avoid all the back tax on the uninsured car X. seems mad

On a a separate but slightly relevant point….. with insurance you can only have a policy on one motor and then just named driver on others right ?

djimi

Welcome to the modern motor tax loophole...!

On a a separate but slightly relevant point….. with insurance you can only have a policy on one motor and then just named driver on others right ?

Not entirely sure what you mean?

If you mean can someone hold seperate policies on several cars in their own name? Of course they can.

miller82

djimi wrote: »

Welcome to the modern motor tax loophole...!



Not entirely sure what you mean?

If you mean can someone hold seperate policies on several cars in their own name? Of course they can.

ha , seriously ? thats mad.

yeah thats what i meant - for some reason i didnt think you could. now that i think about it, thats fairly thick of me

Eric Cartman

If your selling a van for the sake of the 200 odd quid it would cost you for 3 months arrears and 3 months tax it would help you sell it faster.