Political correctness gone mad

woodoo · 05-03-2014 01:28AM

The worst thing in this whole story is making kids wear burka's

Hootanany · 05-03-2014 01:29AM

Very oppressive

anncoates · 05-03-2014 02:01AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

anyways....enough of the political correctness. I refuse to discuss it any further. how about some more puns

Unfortunately you spent so much time labouring your point that all the good ones have been used.

SimonQuinlank · 05-03-2014 02:14AM

At worst its insulting to muslims and at best it's an unfunny,immature and highly inappropriate joke to make for any elected official.Nothing to do with political correctness,more lack of common sense.

It's something you'd expect off a cretin like Jeremy Clarkson,not a councillor.

Baze · 05-03-2014 02:15AM

It's not even remotely racist.

How is poking fun at religious garb, racism

If it is, then so also is something like this.

Sir Arthur Daley · 05-03-2014 02:16AM

The bin men would not want to have been collecting the rubbish at that time.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 10:39AM

anncoates wrote: »

Unfortunately you spent so much time labouring your point that all the good ones have been used.

So I waffled?

How unfortunate....

Sorry for boring you Ann!!!! (I know how precious your time is)

elefant · 06-03-2014 10:43AM

what he described as ‘blokeish banter’.

If there was any justice his use of this phrase should have led to a sacking.

vitani · 06-03-2014 10:47AM

The picture doesn't prove anything with regard to his feelings about Muslims, but it does prove that he's an absolute idiot for sharing it on his own page.

conorhal · 06-03-2014 10:56AM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Politician shares blatantly racist photo and gets sacked......and what exactly is the issue here.....?

I think a child forced to wear a walking prision is a hell of a lot more serious then a tasteless joke. It seems to me that the majority ire is directed at the wrong source.

looksee · 06-03-2014 10:59AM

I have no time for burkas, but this is not PC gone mad, its just a petty minded, nasty bit of racism. There is absolutely no reason why that picture should have been taken in the first place, it is obviously a set up and it is completely unlikely that they are muslims under the burkas.

And why would he have even commented on the appearance of one child, whatever about three, when the unfortunate child is completely covered? You can bet the child isn't upholding (her) own rights to wear a burka. The man is small loss to politics.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 11:30AM

conorhal wrote: »

I think a child forced to wear a walking prision is a hell of a lot more serious then a tasteless joke. It seems to me that the majority ire is directed at the wrong source.

But thats a seperate argument.

Nobody is saying that this guy is in the wrong because actually Burkhas are brilliant.

I'd have more to say on the matter but I wouldnt want to labour the point......

06-03-2014 11:36AM

He didn't compare a Burka to a bin bag, he compared a womans kid to bags of rubbish and it was a stupid, unfunny, racist joke. The whole thing compounded by him not being smart enough to realise would offend people and putting it on his page. He doesn't sound that bright so it's probably for the best tbh.

MadsL · 06-03-2014 11:37AM

Hootanany wrote: »

This has got to stop.

Linking to the Daily Fail? Yes I agree.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 11:38AM

conorhal wrote: »

I think a child forced to wear a walking prision is a hell of a lot more serious then a tasteless joke. It seems to me that the majority ire is directed at the wrong source.

(Here's labouring the point....)

a Walking Prison?

Its just clothes.....

If clothes are a walking prison, then will you be walking around naked this summer?

Their normal is different to your normal. I'm not defending it, just stating the fact.

Legs.Eleven · 06-03-2014 11:39AM

Hard to take you seriously with that thread title.

06-03-2014 11:42AM

elefant wrote: »

If there was any justice his use of this phrase should have led to a sacking.

I immediately think of Jeremy Clarkson when I hear that phrase, so I'd go with death penalty instead of sacking.

sillyoulfool · 06-03-2014 11:43AM

Hootanany wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572785/Tory-councillor-compared-children-burkas-binbags-kicked-party.html

He made a genuine mistake and got fired.
This has got to stop.

He is very lucky that he was not prosecuted, as they take that kind of thing very seriously in the UK.
I am sure the BNP or some other extreme right wing party who share his views would be happy to have him run for them in the elections.

Stercus Accidit · 06-03-2014 11:55AM

looksee wrote: »

I have no time for burkas, but this is not PC gone mad, its just a petty minded, nasty bit of racism.

Burkas are not a race, nor are burkas worn by any particular race.

There is absolutely no reason why that picture should have been taken in the first place, it is obviously a set up and it is completely unlikely that they are muslims under the burkas.

Which means this is even less a comment on race/religion than on the burka itself. It could be a pile of leaves under there or very well a pile of garbage, which is what women are treated like in places that enforce the burka.

And why would he have even commented on the appearance of one child, whatever about three, when the unfortunate child is completely covered? You can bet the child isn't upholding (her) own rights to wear a burka. The man is small loss to politics.

Just because the burka is espoused by some adherents of a religion shouldn't put it beyond criticism, that applies to any idea or action or imposition on people. I thought we in Ireland would have enough experience with the dangers of putting religions and religious ideas beyond scrutiny to understand this. Many people are against the burka for valid reasons, it is a tool of control and subversion of women, it is not racist to criticize and ridicule this disgusting object of oppression.

I am not interested in the mindset or position of the man who posted the image, but the idea that the burka, which is used to treat women like garbage, is beyond the reach of criticism is a ridiculous and dangerous notion.

Stercus Accidit · 06-03-2014 12:00PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

(Here's labouring the point....)

a Walking Prison?

Its just clothes.....

If clothes are a walking prison, then will you be walking around naked this summer?

Their normal is different to your normal. I'm not defending it, just stating the fact.

If it is normal clothes why aren't the men forced to wear them?

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 12:03PM

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

If it is normal clothes why aren't the men forced to wear them?

Men and women wear different clothes in any part of the world.

Muslim men wear a shalwar qamiz. That is standard attire in muslim countries where the burkha is worn. That covers everything except the face.

And again, the rights and wrongs of the Burkha is a seperate argument.

Stercus Accidit · 06-03-2014 12:09PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Men and women wear different clothes in any part of the world.

Muslim men wear a shalwar qamiz. That is standard attire in muslim countries where the burkha is worn. That covers everything except the face.

And again, the rights and wrongs of the Burkha is a seperate argument.

I think the rights and wrongs of the burka are the crux of the argument. It is very telling that the mens equivalent does not cover the face, I expect it is a reasonably practical piece of clothing too. The burka is a tool of oppression or at the very least a symptom of oppression of women, it didn't come about as a function of fashion and practicality, nor is it optional in many places.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 12:11PM

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

I think the rights and wrongs of the burka are the crux of the argument. It is very telling that the mens equivalent does not cover the face, I expect it is a reasonably practical piece of clothing too. The burka is a tool of oppression or at the very least a symptom of oppression of women, it didn't come about as a function of fashion and practicality, nor is it optional in many places.

And that makes it ok to mock the women who wear it?

If not, then we are talking about two different arguments.

Stercus Accidit · 06-03-2014 12:13PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

And that makes it ok to mock the women who wear it?

If not, then we are talking about two different arguments.

And you think it's ok to put words in my mouth?

The burka is fair game for criticism, comparing it to a garbage bag seeing as the women who wear it are treated like garbage seems reasonably apt.

Do you suggest that religious ideas should be beyond criticism? Do you suggest that people should not be allowed to poke fun at these ideas?

MadsL · 06-03-2014 12:14PM

I wonder if a facebook description of him as a "bubble" would be well received by his community. A jolly tune accompanied by the sound of smashing plates perhaps? Or a reference to "greasy" greeks?

Funny how the previous bunch of immigrants throw out disparaging remarks at the latest wave of immigrants.

BillyMitchel · 06-03-2014 12:19PM

Any Tory getting sacked is good.

MadsL · 06-03-2014 12:29PM

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

The burka is fair game for criticism, comparing it to a garbage bag seeing as the women who wear it are treated like garbage...

Eh? Some women chose to wear it.

Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 12:34PM

Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Iraq etc are very very traditional societies.

So was Ireland 100 years ago. You go back 114 years ago to Ireland in 1900, take one of the most well known Irish 'peasant' women from that era - Peig Sayers. Living on the Dingle Peninsula.

She would have been 27 years old then. (Wikipedia). SHe'd have been used to wearing a long dress to here ankles, a shawl and a head scarf - only her face on show.

If you had said to Peig, lets take a time travel machine, go forward 100 years to 2014....and guess what Peig, it is a-ok to go down to your local beach in a skimpy bikini. You are now liberated, away you go....but just make sure you get a wax beforehand, otherwise people might be a bit put off.....

Do you think she would wear it?

I'm not defending the burkha, any more than I would defend an Irish society where women produced 10 or 15 children and spent their entire lives stuck to the oven.

The most obvious sign of how progressive a society is, is how it treats its women and children. The major difference here is in the attitudes of men. However, change does not come quickly to these places.

A muslim woman, or family, moving from Pakistan to England (for example) would face a fairly similar culture shock to putting Peig on a time travel machine. Forcing people to change can make them more intransigent.

I spent about 6 weeks in Pakistan a few years back. About four weeks into it, I was in a particularly traditional town that has since been bombed to bits - Peshawar. While there - shock and awe - I saw a Pakistani man and woman walking down the street (I) holding hands and (II) she wasnt wearing the burkha.

I'm not saying that I agree with the burkha; however I did a serious double-take myself when I saw this, even though I was a tourist and not local. A woman who goes out in Peshawar not wearing the burkha is seriously standing out. That won't change today or tomorrow.

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Tombo2001 · 06-03-2014 12:36PM

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

And you think it's ok to put words in my mouth?

The burka is fair game for criticism, comparing it to a garbage bag seeing as the women who wear it are treated like garbage seems reasonably apt.

Do you suggest that religious ideas should be beyond criticism? Do you suggest that people should not be allowed to poke fun at these ideas?

I asked you a question, which you didnt answer.

Do you think its ok to mock women who wear burkhas?

conorhal · 06-03-2014 12:39PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I asked you a question, which you didnt answer.

Do you think its ok to mock women who wear burkhas?

I think it's just as ok as it is to mock cluless politicians, they both are expressions of political extremity and ideological ignornace, thus hardly immune from mocking.

Political correctness gone mad

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