aer lingus strike

Szero · 04-03-2014 10:21PM

Time for the Labour Court to intervene in the dispute yet again.

We cannot have our tourist sector damaged by the SIPTU senseless action.

Sandwlch · 04-03-2014 10:59PM

ixoy wrote: »

What I don't get with this dispute though is exactly where they think the money to plug the pension hole is going to come from.

From 'The Company' of course. Thats as far as unions thinking ever goes.

Aidric · 04-03-2014 11:01PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

unions

Vermin.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 11:17PM

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

Since the average pay is around 60k a year in Air fungus.

doubt it, so what anyway

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

I hope they do strike.

no you don't

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

Destroy their own jobs and get to spend a few years on the dole or some normal paying job.

whats a "normal paying job" you think only these people earn such wages? jesus, even in the perfect private sector their are people earning this and more, but no no, thats okay apparently, people get different wages, get over it. hoping one ends up on the dole because they get payed a good wage and want to protect it makes one low rent

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

the workers will get a taste of the real world that everyone else is living in.

what real world is this? i think you'l find we all live in the real world, all is happening here is the staff in this company want to make sure that if cuts happen they get a good deal in relation to such cuts, we'd all do the same if we had the opportunity

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

Plenty of other air lines to take their place.

really? their maybe a few other air lines but not everyone wants the ryan air style of flying, others love ryan air style flying and thats fine, the more different experiences and offerings the better.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 11:19PM

Szero wrote: »

Time for the Labour Court to intervene in the dispute yet again.

thats what their there for

Szero wrote: »

We cannot have our tourist sector damaged by the SIPTU senseless action.

of course we can if it means a deal is reached, and its not senseless, its necessary action obviously, otherwise they wouldn't take it, nobody goes on strike for the laugh, its as a very last resort

Sandwlch · 04-03-2014 11:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

tits necessary action obviously, otherwise they wouldn't take it, nobody goes on strike for the laugh, its as a very last resort

Not for the laugh, but to use force to achieve an aim, in this case, with little cost to few of them or no cost to most of them, yet great cost great cost to others outside the dispute. Its an easy bet of no pain but great gain. Workers who can discomode others tend to be the quickest to strike.

Sandwlch · 04-03-2014 11:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

all is happening here is the staff in this company want to make sure that if cuts happen they get a good deal in relation to such cuts, we'd all do the same if we had the opportunity

The problem is that they probably believe that last bit - showing how far away from reality they are.

homerjay2005 · 04-03-2014 11:53PM

crockholm wrote: »

How fcuking unpatriotic that union has become.

they never gave a f*ck about this country, their employers or anything else so this is nothing new.

these people only care about ripping off the state or which ever company is unlucky enough to have them involved.

maryishere · 05-03-2014 12:25AM

not only is aer fungus less punctual than other airlines, its also shown its staffed by sour-faced selfish overpaid people who would wreck your travel plans after you have paid your hard earned money. As someone else says " let them destroy their own jobs and get to spend a few years on the dole or some normal paying job".

Cian92 · 05-03-2014 01:20AM

maryishere wrote: »

not only is aer fungus less punctual than other airlines, its also shown its staffed by sour-faced selfish overpaid people who would wreck your travel plans after you have paid your hard earned money. As someone else says " let them destroy their own jobs and get to spend a few years on the dole or some normal paying job".

Mary,

I've asked you for statistics to back up your claim that Ryanair pays more than Aer Lingus.

You seem to be taking the strike very personally, you are quite vitriolic towards the workers. Bitter even. So I thought I'd let you know that just because you don't support them many of us do (I have no connection with Aer Lingus or the DAA what so ever).

If I miss a poxy flight so be it. Defined Benefit schemes have failed in recent years but so too have Defined Contribution schemes. Something will have to be done to solve this problem but until it is the Aer Lingus workers have my full support in getting their employer to uphold their obligations under their contract of employment.

Idbatterim · 05-03-2014 01:20AM

of course we can if it means a deal is reached, and its not senseless, its necessary action obviously, otherwise they wouldn't take it, nobody goes on strike for the laugh, its as a very last resort

What I take major issue with is when they chose to strike, when we are in the international spotlight just as we are getting back on our feet. Its below the belt stuff in my opinion, maybe Aer Lingus should implement another round of cost cutting etc... Bertie Ahern and the pay them at all costs days are long gone... (or at least should be).

Cian92 · 05-03-2014 01:29AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

What I take major issue with is when they chose to strike, when we are in the international spotlight just as we are getting back on our feet. Its below the belt stuff in my opinion, maybe Aer Lingus should implement another round of cost cutting etc... Bertie Ahern and the pay them at all costs days are long gone... (or at least should be).

Sure as everyone keeps saying, they are private sector workers now. They owe the state or the economy no duty of care. They are not servants of the public, they are merely workers for a company whose only aim is to make a profit.

end of the road · 05-03-2014 01:35AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

What I take major issue with is when they chose to strike, when we are in the international spotlight just as we are getting back on our feet. Its below the belt stuff in my opinion, maybe Aer Lingus should implement another round of cost cutting etc... Bertie Ahern and the pay them at all costs days are long gone... (or at least should be).

in the international spotlight for what, nothing, nobody internationally cares about a strike here in ireland

Idbatterim · 05-03-2014 01:40AM

in the international spotlight for what, nothing, nobody internationally cares about a strike here in ireland

St Patricks day weekend, which is probably the largest national day worldwide, the amount of coverage it receives is incredible... hundreds of thousands flying in and out that weekend.

cruais · 05-03-2014 01:45AM

maryishere wrote: »

not only is aer fungus less punctual than other airlines, its also shown its staffed by sour-faced selfish overpaid people who would wreck your travel plans after you have paid your hard earned money. As someone else says " let them destroy their own jobs and get to spend a few years on the dole or some normal paying job".

I too would like to question where you are getting these statistics from. Maybe supply a link so we can verify

maryishere · 05-03-2014 01:49AM

Cian92 wrote: »

I've asked you for statistics to back up your claim that Ryanair pays more than Aer Lingus.

Actually its Ryanair pilots who are paid more than Aer Lingus pilots. Well, they are more productive. Revenenue per employee is also much higher at Ryanair than at Aer lingus. (see proof in link below). Despite this, the majority of other staff eg "trolley dollies", cleaners, admin staff etc are well overpaid at aer fungus. Average pay at Aer Lingus is €74,900 per year, plus perks
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-staff-costs-still-among-highest-in-the-european-industry-29188671.html That's much higher than average pay at Ryanair. Ryanair does not (rightly) pay its trolley dolloies the same as some other countries pay their presidents / hospital consultants.

So average pay at aer lingus is nearly two and a half times average industrial pay....they have perks the rest of us can only dream of ....and yet the sourfaces take our money / flight bookings and then go on strike ( or threaten to!).

Sir Arthur Daley · 05-03-2014 01:50AM

I would love to be an airplane driver.

cruais · 05-03-2014 01:57AM

maryishere wrote: »

Actually its Ryanair pilots who are paid more than Aer Lingus pilots. Well, they are more productive. Revenenue per employee is also much higher at Ryanair than at Aer lingus. (see proof in link below). Despite this, the majority of other staff eg "trolley dollies", cleaners, admin staff etc are well overpaid at aer fungus. Average pay at Aer Lingus is €74,900 per year, plus perks
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-staff-costs-still-among-highest-in-the-european-industry-29188671.html

I highly doubt that the cabin crew or "trolley dollys" as you refer to them, amongst other staff are on that salary.

Id be thinking along the lines of managerial and board member staff.

Anyway, they are recruiting for staff at the moment according to the aviation forum. Why not check that out where you will see an example of an "overpayed aer fungus" employee.

Or better still, send youre application in and get proof that cleaners and cabin crew etc are on 80k a year.

There is that age old saying:
"Don't believe everything you read".

Oh yeah, and the independent is a typical rag.

maryishere · 05-03-2014 02:05AM

cruais wrote: »

I highly doubt that the cabin crew or "trolley dollys" as you refer to them, amongst other staff are on that salary.

Id be thinking along the lines of managerial and board member staff.

the 75k a year is average aer lingus ssalary. Maybe you think there are more managers and board members staff than trolley dollies, admin staff, cleaners etc ......the average is the average,

yeah, shoot the messenger.

It puts the average aer lingus employee not far short of the salaries of the presidents of Spain, Israel and Russia, who earn in the order of 92k a year, 89k a year and 85k a year.

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/taoiseach-to-take-a-pay-cut-but-still-earns-more-than-prime-minister-of-uk-france-holland-sweden-finland-and-spain/

anncoates · 05-03-2014 02:05AM

maryishere wrote: »

Just fly Ryanair instead. They are not selfish p**** who put their own pensions above your rights as a customer. I cannot understand how people still fly with the aviation version of CIE.

Lol

Idbatterim · 05-03-2014 02:07AM

Anyway, they are recruiting for staff at the moment according to the aviation forum. Why not check that out where you will see an example of an "overpayed aer fungus" employee.

Or better still, send youre application in and get proof that cleaners and cabin crew etc are on 80k a year.

There is that age old saying:
"Don't believe everything you read".

You can be sure that going in there now, you wont be getting anything like the pay and perks of the legacy employees...

cruais · 05-03-2014 02:11AM

maryishere wrote: »

the 75k a year is average aer lingus ssalary. Maybe you think there are more managers and board members staff than trolley dollies, admin staff, cleaners etc ......the average is the average,

yeah, shoot the messenger.

It puts the average aer lingus employee not far short of the salaries of the presidents of Spain, Israel and Russia, who earn in the order of 92k a year, 89k a year and 85k a year.

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/taoiseach-to-take-a-pay-cut-but-still-earns-more-than-prime-minister-of-uk-france-holland-sweden-finland-and-spain/

I sense a bit of jealousy here Mary. Did you once apply and have your application rejected?

Controversy sells rags. Of course the indo are going to play the whole ryanair and aerlingus thing against eachother, to get people talking.

But hey, if the indo is saying it and your telling me that a regular aer fungus worker is nearly earning the same amount as the president of spain and israel, well then I might just send my application into aer fungus.

Pingi · 05-03-2014 02:14AM

Might get stuck in Germany an extra night or so....

I'll eat more McRibs and might visit Legoland.

Femme_Fatale · 05-03-2014 02:16AM

That "average salary" stuff which always gets trotted out, fails to take into account the vast number of people who earn nothing near big bucks. All it means is: a small number of people earn very high salaries, and the majority of the people who are on mediocre salaries can hardly be held accountable for that.

And the Independent - a media outlet that pushes a blatantly anti semi-state/anti public sector agenda - is hardly a balanced source.

The logic of "They shouldn't fight for their pensions because people working in private companies are losing theirs" is deeply flawed.

Photo-Sniper · 05-03-2014 02:21AM

Pingi wrote: »

Might get stuck in Germany an extra night or so....

I'll eat more McRibs and might visit Legoland.

Dont bother. The giraffe outside it is the only thing worth seeing.

Pingi · 05-03-2014 02:25AM

If you were to get stuck in another country due to the strike would it count as personal/sick days or would it eat into your work holidays? If the former, happy days. :pac:

Idbatterim · 05-03-2014 02:25AM

The logic of "They shouldn't fight for their pensions because people working in private companies are losing theirs" is deeply flawed.

I'm not saying they shouldnt fight for them, just my sympathy for them would be non existent (based on a number of factors). SIPTU those anti progress, sh*t stirrers really get my back up to, the union heads seem to know so much about running businesses, I find it hard to believe we are in this mess :rolleyes:

And the Independent - a media outlet that pushes a blatantly anti semi-state/anti public sector agenda - is hardly a balanced source.

Yeah, v the Irish times, which is the state and public sector fan boy.

and the majority of the people who are on mediocre salaries

They might be whatever your definition is mediocre is, but I'm assuming in most cases, they are a hell of a lot higher than if they were to apply for the same position in another company now... They can get with the times like the majority of us have, be it from pay cuts, freezes, job loss etc... Of course some have had pay rises, hence I said majority...

That "average salary" stuff which always gets trotted out, fails to take into account the vast number of people who earn nothing near big bucks.

how many are earning "big bucks" though, thousands are employed by Aer Lingus, and I am meant to believe that a handful of high earners, say 200-300k, skew hundreds to thousands of staff by that much? A lot of them are bloody well paid for what they do, as you would expect from a former state airline, where before intense competition, it must have been a dreamland...

end of the road · 05-03-2014 03:16AM

maryishere wrote: »

Actually its Ryanair pilots who are paid more than Aer Lingus pilots.

oh, my, god, can you imagine that, a fully private sector company paying its pilots more then a once state owned company, who would have thought.

maryishere wrote: »

Well, they are more productive.

and you know that how? oh, yeah, your hatred of Aer Lingus is so much that you resort to making out that all who work for the company are lazy and good for nothing, infact you use the same tactics for all workers both private and public when they strike or protest in some way.

maryishere wrote: »

Revenue per employee is also much higher at Ryanair than at Aer lingus.

and? that will be to do with a number of factors.

maryishere wrote: »

Despite this, the majority of other staff eg "trolley dollies", cleaners, admin staff etc are well overpaid at aer fungus.

their payed what the company feels their worth, market forces, you don't get to decide whats "over payed"

maryishere wrote: »

That's much higher than average pay at Ryanair.

so?

maryishere wrote: »

Ryanair does not (rightly) pay its trolley dolloies the same as some other countries pay their presidents / hospital consultants.

bahahahahahahahahahaha, cheers for that, its not often i nearly wet myself (probably shouldn't have admitted that but what the hell that statement was very funny)

maryishere wrote: »

So average pay at aer lingus is nearly two and a half times average industrial pay

the company feels thats what the staff is worth

maryishere wrote: »

they have perks the rest of us can only dream of.

oh? i think its that they have perks that you can only dream of, private sector workers get perks depending on what company they work for

Cian92 · 05-03-2014 11:18AM

maryishere wrote: »

Average pay at Aer Lingus is €74,900 per year, plus perks
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-staff-costs-still-among-highest-in-the-european-industry-29188671.html That's much higher than average pay at Ryanair.

maryishere wrote: »

99% of Ryanair staff do not want to join a union because they are better paid than those in Air Lingus.

Come on Mary which is it? You seem confused. You have said in the first quote that AerLingus employees are paid a higher average pay that those in Ryanair. In the quote below you've said Ryanair staff are better paid than AerLingus.

You can't have it both ways. It is one or the other.

maryishere wrote: »

So average pay at aer lingus is nearly two and a half times average industrial pay....they have perks the rest of us can only dream of ....and yet the sourfaces take our money / flight bookings and then go on strike ( or threaten to!).

Nothing wrong with a company paying its employees whatever it wants to. It is better for us all that they pay higher than the industrial wage, just look at the tax being collected on that.

And to the people harping on about how they don't know why people still fly Ryanair, is it not obvious? Many flyers do not wish to treat their flight "like a bus in the air" and prefer to pay extra for a bit of comfort. That's why the likes of AerLingus, Quantas and BA still exist.

Idbatterim · 05-03-2014 11:56AM

And to the people harping on about how they don't know why people still fly Ryanair, is it not obvious? Many flyers do not wish to treat their flight "like a bus in the air" and prefer to pay extra for a bit of comfort. That's why the likes of AerLingus, Quantas and BA still exist.

I fly very frequently, hilarious that Aer Lingus are seen as some sort of luxury version of ryanair, they use exactly the same planes for the most part, in fact I am sure ryanair have a younger fleet. youd actually think it was like comparing a trip in a corolla v a maybach. Also this rubbish about Ryanair staff being unfriendly or unhelpful, yes they might be slightly less so than the others, who I just find OTT to be honest, particularly on shorter flights it is a glorified bus, just get me there on time, with no hassle, thats it, thats all I want... Aer Lingus staff might still think its the 60's and the golden era of flying, and they would be right, but its for a very different reason, its not for its exclusivity, its exactly the opposite, everyone can afford it now...

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