aer lingus strike

maryishere · 02-03-2014 03:48PM

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

I dont think Ryanair are allowed to join a union.
That's why the staff get screwed on hours and pay .

99% of Ryanair staff do not want to join a union because they are better paid than those in Air Lingus. Plus they save on union dues, which only go towards the overinflated pay and pensions of bearded bretheren in the unions.

Never fly with air lingus or they may only go on strike and let you down.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 02-03-2014 04:05PM

maryishere wrote: »

99% of Ryanair staff do not want to join a union because they are better paid than those in Air Lingus. Plus they save on union dues, which only go towards the overinflated pay and pensions of bearded bretheren in the unions.

Never fly with air lingus or they may only go on strike and let you down.

Curious! How do you arrive at the 99% figure, as it conflicts with something I have here? Just curious. Did you just pluck it from the air or has there been a sharp change in opion among Ryanair staff in the past 3 years?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 02-03-2014 04:10PM

crockholm wrote: »

How fcuking unpatriotic that union has become.

A strange comment indeed. Why should a trade union be patriot? It's hardly what the members look for in representation. Plus, where does patriotism come in to the dispute in the first place?

COYW · 02-03-2014 04:33PM

I'm flying United Airlines. I have three seats to myself on the way over. I hope they don't end up switching passengers to my flight. Years ago I was scheduled to fly with Aer Lingus to Budapest when they were on strike. I got put onto a Ryanair flight instead.

crockholm · 02-03-2014 05:17PM

Marcos Crooked Marrow wrote: »

A strange comment indeed. Why should a trade union be patriot? It's hardly what the members look for in representation. Plus, where does patriotism come in to the dispute in the first place?

Not strange in the slightest.And I think I would be too embarrassed to explain the rest if you needed it to be explained to you.:)

Sandwlch · 02-03-2014 06:19PM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

How is Aer Lingus the public sector?

They are a bit of both really. A private company, partly publicly owned, with much of its workforce still living with the mindset of and that they are a public company. Its the nub of the problem really.
That the company has a 'Director of Change and Enagagement' speaks volumes about the persistence of their legacy issues.

Sandwlch · 02-03-2014 06:23PM

Woodpecker1 wrote: »

I dont think Ryanair are allowed to join a union.
That's why the staff get screwed on hours and pay are paid the correct market rate for their jobs.

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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 02-03-2014 06:29PM

crockholm wrote: »

Not strange in the slightest.And I think I would be too embarrassed to explain the rest if you needed it to be explained to you.:)

I think it a paricularly strange angle to take. Patriotic? Would a supermarket going on strick be unpatriotic, what about a cafe at the airport? Aer Lingus is no longer the national carrier. Patriotism has nothing to do with it?

Don,'t be embarrassed on my account as at my age nothing embarrases me any more, please feel free to explain.

Capt'n Midnight · 02-03-2014 06:37PM

I know people who have cancelled plans to come here because of this.

02-03-2014 06:57PM

itsirishfarmer wrote: »

whats your plan if aer lingus goes on strike

Carry on as normal.

Air France/KLM
British Airways
Lufthansa
SAS

Do not fly with Aer Lingus unless absolutely nothing else available for last 10 years or so.

JTMan · 03-03-2014 08:02PM

323 wrote: »

Carry on as normal.

Air France/KLM
British Airways
Lufthansa
SAS

Do not fly with Aer Lingus unless absolutely nothing else available for last 10 years or so.

It is the DAA going on strike that will have a much greater effect than Aer Lingus going on strike.

Despite the government intervention, there is no sign of SIPTU pulling out of destroying the weekends of many.

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:30AM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Probably be no strike in the end. Government will bend over to give them what they need to sustain their pensions. ..... While continuing to ignore those in the private sector who are being bullied into handing over their (fully funded) pension funds. ... This is modern Ireland. A high tax- kill the small guy- look after the rich guy kinda country. Shameful

more of the usual "poor little private sector" rubbish, yawn

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:32AM

crockholm wrote: »

How fcuking unpatriotic that union has become.

such rubbish, their looking after their members like their supposed to

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:35AM

maryishere wrote: »

Just fly Ryanair instead. They are not selfish p**** who put their own pensions above your rights as a customer. I cannot understand how people still fly with the aviation version of CIE.

more daily mail style bull, why wouldn't you try protect yourself first? any right thinking person would.

czechlin · 04-03-2014 12:38AM

I'm going away for couple of days but will be back before the strike so it shouldn't affect me. If it did I'd be mightily pissed off but my dad would be more likely the happiest man on earth

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:40AM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Irish unions holding the travelling public to ransom yet again. Do away with company pensions for any new employees and this crap won't happen. A lot of people have taken a big hit in pensions and wages but they don't get to bring the country to a standstill.

more crap, many other companies you can fly with, unless the DAA go out also which i believe is happening, one has to do what they can to make sure they have enough to live off when they retire, if it means they strike and we suffer, so be it, its for the greater good

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:43AM

jescart wrote: »

I've never flown with aer lingus for this exact reason, every year, sometimes twice a year they threaten strike. Yes yes I know this is a siptu strike but it directly involves aer lingus and a lot of the threats over the last 5 years have been exclusively aer lingus. I don't know why anyone would book a flight with them or plan a holiday a few months in advance, it's like a game of roulette whether your flight will be affected by strike action or not. And they are certainly not the cheapest airline, especially for US travel.

because maybe people like the service? same with those who fly with ryanair who offers a cheep as chips bus style service, not my cup of tea but people like them, fine

end of the road · 04-03-2014 12:45AM

maryishere wrote: »

99% of Ryanair staff do not want to join a union because they are better paid than those in Air Lingus. Plus they save on union dues, which only go towards the overinflated pay and pensions of bearded bretheren in the unions.

Never fly with air lingus or they may only go on strike and let you down.

turned down for a job there were we? sounds like it from your bitterness, strikes happen, part of life, they don't happen for the laugh, its the last tool in the box

Idbatterim · 04-03-2014 12:47AM

more crap, many other companies you can fly with, unless the DAA go out also which i believe is happening, one has to do what they can to make sure they have enough to live off when they retire, if it means they strike and we suffer, so be it, its for the greater good

I am sure they would be entitled to our very generous state pensions, open to correction if I am wrong on this point..

Cian92 · 04-03-2014 12:49AM

maryishere wrote: »

[Ryanair] are better paid than those in Air Lingus.

HA!

I presume you have the correct stats to back that up.

opinionated3 · 04-03-2014 12:56AM

end of the road wrote: »

more of the usual "poor little private sector" rubbish, yawn

What's your issue? ? I fully support the aer lingus workers fight for their pensions. I was just pointing out that they are lucky to be able to force pressure on the issue in such a major way. If I go on strike to fight for my pension I will inevitably be threatened with the loss of my job.

rsmike · 04-03-2014 08:28PM

Defined benefit pensions are a thing of the past, I had one a couple of years ago, but its gone like most peoples, fact of life, I'm not happy about it and fully understand people at Aer Lingus being angry, I was, but I'm just getting on with it. However, I don't see how messing up my holiday plans is going to solve anything ( I was flying at 7:00am on the 14th). I am (was) an Aer Lingus customer. It seems Aer Lingus staff don't give a toss about their customers.

The ironic thing is that SIPTU who are driving this action are also cutting their own staff's pension benefits. How does that work? Are the staff in SIPTU going to go on strike because SIPTU are cutting their pension? Could Mr. O'Loughlin comment maybe?, No, I'm sure those pension cuts are nothing like the ones at Aer Lingus!

Aer Lingus staff don't seem to realise they are now in the private sector, striking is just playing into the hands of Ryanair. While Ryanair would not be my first choice this action will make sure I will at least check their website next time I fly. Talks have been arranged, shouldn't Aer Lingus staff at least wait for the outcome of those talks? What's a strike going to achieve now? One thing is certain, lower revenue for Aer Lingus, I can't see that helping Aer Lingus put more money in the pension.

Ah well, enjoy your late start on the 14th! Michael O'Leary I am sure is very happy with your decision, I see he is shedding crocodile tears for poor Mr. Mueller, ha!

Idbatterim · 04-03-2014 08:31PM

why would anyone bother flying with AerLingus, if Ryanair fly the exact same route, more f**cking around, less punctual, more bags lost... MOL before his image change, would have been attacking Aer Lingus, I miss the old him...

pajor · 04-03-2014 08:34PM

rsmike wrote: »

I don't see how messing up my holiday plans is going to solve anything ( I was flying at 7:00am on the 14th). I am (was) an Aer Lingus customer. It seems Aer Lingus staff don't give a toss about their customers.

But as the DAA are striking too, isn't it that nobody will be going anywhere between 5 and 9?

rsmike · 04-03-2014 08:36PM

pajor wrote: »

But as the DAA are striking too, isn't it that nobody will be going anywhere between 5 and 9?

Oh yeah, sorry, the DAA don't give a toss about their customers either!

JTMan · 04-03-2014 08:36PM

pajor wrote: »

But as the DAA are striking too, isn't it that nobody will be going anywhere between 5 and 9?

Exactly. Unless SIPTU decide not to destroy Paddys weekend for all the tourists.

ixoy · 04-03-2014 08:48PM

What I don't get with this dispute though is exactly where they think the money to plug the pension hole is going to come from. Is there an actual valid suggestion from them? Increased fares will mean business loss. Restructuring their work practices is something the unions don't want either. Where then?

Maybe they expect the government to bail them out because the government used to own them?.
Should the government then bail out all pension funds, just the ones they used to own (look out Eircom then), or only those who can cause a major inconvenience to everyone else? It's completely not viable for them to save all these funds as the tax payer can't keep taking on these burdens. Sure if they do that they may as well bail out everyone's pension funds, DB or DC.

Any AL staff care to say what's a reasonable means of getting their demands that means I'm not paying through taxes?

rsmike · 04-03-2014 08:53PM

ixoy wrote: »

What I don't get with this dispute though is exactly where they think the money to plug the pension hole is going to come from. Is there an actual valid suggestion from them? Increased fares will mean business loss. Restructuring their work practices is something the unions don't want either. Where then?

Maybe they expect the government to bail them out because the government used to own them?.
Should the government then bail out all pension funds, just the ones they used to own (look out Eircom then), or only those who can cause a major inconvenience to everyone else? It's completely not viable for them to save all these funds as the tax payer can't keep taking on these burdens. Sure if they do that they may as well bail out everyone's pension funds, DB or DC.

Any AL staff care to say what's a reasonable means of getting their demands that means I'm not paying through taxes?

Don't worry, there ain't a snowball chance in hell of that happening, The government has other plans for your taxes!, those days are over for AL, they just don't get it yet. Their in the sea with the sharks now, its not going to be pretty.

maryishere · 04-03-2014 09:50PM

ixoy wrote: »

What I don't get with this dispute though is exactly where they think the money to plug the pension hole is going to come from. Is there an actual valid suggestion from them? Increased fares will mean business loss. Restructuring their work practices is something the unions don't want either. Where then?

Maybe they expect the government to bail them out because the government used to own them?.
Should the government then bail out all pension funds, just the ones they used to own (look out Eircom then), or only those who can cause a major inconvenience to everyone else? It's completely not viable for them to save all these funds as the tax payer can't keep taking on these burdens. Sure if they do that they may as well bail out everyone's pension funds, DB or DC.

Any AL staff care to say what's a reasonable means of getting their demands that means I'm not paying through taxes?

excellent post. Bet you will not get a reply though. The union types just think the money can come from thin air. I wish everyone could get a pension top up from thin air, I know plenty of people who lost theirs.

Woodpecker1 · 04-03-2014 10:15PM

Since the average pay is around 60k a year in Air fungus. I hope they do strike. Destroy their own jobs and get to spend a few years on the dole or some normal paying job.

Then the workers will get a taste of the real world that everyone else is living in.

Plenty of other air lines to take their place.

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