Should pregnant women be given temporary disabled permits?

anncoates · 03-03-2014 04:18PM

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Because more people are using the same amount of spaces, so there's less to go around presumably

Just designate a few normal ones? Or maybe make the P and C ones for pregnant women too. I'm not really pushed one way or anther, just vaguely agreeing. Not sure I see that a private business designating more spaces necessarily means less disabled ones.

Let's face it, there's a large coterie of posters in here that seem to have a special bat signal for when there's any chance to moan about kids, parents, or both.

ash23 · 03-03-2014 04:27PM

P&C or pregnant spaces (which I have seen in shopping centres) are there at the discretion of the business. Whereas disabled spaces are not only in private car parks but also dotted around on main streets and public roads etc. I know where I live the local Aldi and Tesco have P&C spaces aswell as disabled. But the on street parking, the only designated spots are disabled ones.

If pregnant women were entitled to use these spaces also, there would be less availability for disabled people. It prob would have little to no affect in private car parks as there are usually an abundance of disabled spots but for public roads etc, the spaces are much scarcer.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 03-03-2014 04:40PM

anncoates wrote: »

Just designate a few normal ones? Or maybe make the P and C ones for pregnant women too. I'm not really pushed one way or anther, just vaguely agreeing. Not sure I see that a private business designating more spaces necessarily means less disabled ones.

Let's face it, there's a large coterie of posters in here that seem to have a special bat signal for when there's any chance to moan about kids, parents, or both.

I know, but I think a lot of it is triggered by the minority of parents who do behave as if they're special and the world owes them a favour. As I said, it's a minority but people who behave as if P&C spaces are on a par with disabled ones, or display Baby on Board stickers on their cars, or insist that they get first dibs when holiday times are being allocated at work, or sit in restaurants allowing their screaming babies or bored kids to annoy other diners etc etc leave a bad taste and people use the annonymity of a forum like this to unload because they can't do it in real life. It probably comes off as a tirade against parents but I think it's just a venting of the annoyance a small number of self entitled parents cause.

anncoates · 03-03-2014 04:41PM

Noe Yummy Tablet wrote: »

I know, but I think a lot of it is triggered by the minority of parents who do behave as if they're special and the world owes them a favour. As I said, it's a minority but people who behave as if P&C spaces are on a par with disabled ones, or display Baby on Board stickers on their cars, or insist that they get first dibs when holiday times are being allocated at work, or sit in restaurants allowing their screaming babies or bored kids to annoy other diners etc etc leave a bad taste and people use the annonymity of a forum like this to unload because they can't do it in real life. It probably comes off as a tirade against parents but I think it's just a venting of the annoyance a small number of self entitled parents cause.

I think you've just paradoxically agreed with my point and then validated it.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 03-03-2014 04:43PM

anncoates wrote: »

I think you've just paradoxically agreed with my point and then validated it.

Maybe you could explain?
Perhaps you're a bit over sensitive to criticism of any parents and see all such criticism as validating your view that half the world is against anyone with small children.

Ray Palmer · 03-03-2014 05:09PM

I was with my mother and she parked in the PC space. I didn't notice but as we were leaving the car some woman rolled down her window and told us it was PC parking. My mother pointed to me and said I was her child (30 something but that doesn't matter) . Woman got annoyed and shouty so I said "Claim down, my mother should have told you the truth. We are going to abduct a child inside now, happy?"
She went kind of quite then and I think she left deciding not to risk shopping. Just to be clear I would not have abducted her children , they were ugly ones.

John Mason · 03-03-2014 05:21PM

i am 8 months pregnant.

the real problem with car parks are muppets who not know how to park straight.

if someone parks too close to the car, i cant breath in and just squeeze into the car and climbing over the passenger is no longer an option for me.

people are dicks

Riskymove · 03-03-2014 05:23PM

John Mason wrote: »

i am 8 months pregnant.

the real problem with car parks are muppets who not know how to park straight.

if someone parks too close to the car, i cant breath in and just squeeze into the car and climbing over the passenger is no longer an option for me.

people are dicks

perhaps you'll have a bit more empathy for us fat large people

ShaShaBear · 03-03-2014 05:37PM

No

A permit from your doctor to state you are pregnant similar to a disabled badge to be used in PC parking would be better. Monaghan Shopping Centre has expectant mother and PC spots and they are never empty. They are also rarely occupied by parents of any kind so maybe making them a requirement in car parks with a badge received from the doctor would be preferable to taking up disabled spots??
I have bad sciatica at only 5 months and already struggle with walking and getting in and out of the car.

runawaybishop · 03-03-2014 05:39PM

ShaShaBear wrote: »

A permit from your doctor to state you are pregnant similar to a disabled badge to be used in PC parking would be better. Monaghan Shopping Centre has expectant mother and PC spots and they are never empty. They are also rarely occupied by parents of any kind so maybe making them a requirement in car parks with a badge received from the doctor would be preferable to taking up disabled spots??
I have bad sciatica at only 5 months and already struggle with walking and getting in and out of the car.

If its a private car park then you might as well draw up your own permit, for all the good it will do you.

Pumpkinseeds · 03-03-2014 05:41PM

Is the OP suggesting that people without visible disability should be forced to give their parking permits to pregnant women? No OP, pregnant women should not be given disability parking privileges. What utter sh*t.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 03-03-2014 05:47PM

ShaShaBear wrote: »

A permit from your doctor to state you are pregnant similar to a disabled badge to be used in PC parking would be better. Monaghan Shopping Centre has expectant mother and PC spots and they are never empty. They are also rarely occupied by parents of any kind so maybe making them a requirement in car parks with a badge received from the doctor would be preferable to taking up disabled spots??
I have bad sciatica at only 5 months and already struggle with walking and getting in and out of the car.

Are you saying all pregnant women should be given this 'permit'. Where will it end? Why should pregnant women who have no complications be allocated spaces ahead of elderly people, people who have recently had surgery or are awaiting hip replacements etc?

ElleEm · 03-03-2014 05:54PM

I have MS and I can't even get a disabled parking permit!

It would be hard to control the permits and most bigger shopping centres have parents parking anyway.

ShaShaBear · 03-03-2014 05:58PM

No

Noe Yummy Tablet wrote: »

Are you saying all pregnant women should be given this 'permit'. Where will it end? Why should pregnant women who have no complications be allocated spaces ahead of elderly people, people who have recently had surgery etc?

No, I am trying to say that pregnant and parent parking spaces could be made accessible only to pregnant women and parents with kids. Instead of letting anyone park in them. That way pregnant women with health issues would be entitled to park in spaces already designated for that purpose instead of ten rows back between two eegits who are line-blind

bodice ripper · 03-03-2014 06:03PM

I had some crazy bint get in my face in a tesco car park for parking in a parent and child space that she had her eye on. She came running after me to give me ****. She had a circa 13 year old boy with her, I had my 90 year old grandmother and her Zimmer frame. She got informed that I was indeed someone's child, and Grandma was someone's parent. All this because she didn't want to walk an extra few feet with her strapping young lad. People are jerks, make Pregnant parking spaces and every cow (and no, not every woman is one) of childbearing age can abuse it.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 03-03-2014 06:05PM

ShaShaBear wrote: »

No, I am trying to say that pregnant and parent parking spaces could be made accessible only to pregnant women and parents with kids. Instead of letting anyone park in them. That way pregnant women with health issues would be entitled to park in spaces already designated for that purpose instead of ten rows back between two eegits who are line-blind

But those spaces have no legal force whatsoever. They are simply a concession by supermarkets who are anxious to attract young families who tend to be the biggest spenders on groceries. You never see P&C spaces in places like libraries, hospitals, public swimming pools or on public streets - yet you will often see disabled spaces because they are a legal entitlement. But there's no way the Guards are going to come out and insist someone moves their car from a P&C space outside Tesco..

John Mason · 03-03-2014 06:05PM

Riskymove wrote: »

perhaps you'll have a bit more empathy for us fat large people

why? and who said i didnt - don't but still

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 03-03-2014 06:10PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

I had some crazy bint get in my face in a tesco car park for parking in a parent and child space that she had her eye on. She came running after me to give me ****. She had a circa 13 year old boy with her, I had my 90 year old grandmother and her Zimmer frame. She got informed that I was indeed someone's child, and Grandma was someone's parent. All this because she didn't want to walk an extra few feet with her strapping young lad. People are jerks, make Pregnant parking spaces and every cow (and no, not every woman is one) of childbearing age can abuse it.

I saw a discussion once on another forum where a poster nearly got a round of applause because she said her mother, who was eighty and on crutches after a hip replacement, wouldn't dream of expecting someone bringing her shopping to park in a P&C space because they 'weren't meant for her'. I thought it was a pretty dismal reflection of society, to be honest.

Riskymove · 03-03-2014 06:10PM

John Mason wrote: »

why? and who said i didnt - don't but still

er...

if someone parks too close to the car, i cant breath in and just squeeze into the car and climbing over the passenger is no longer an option for me.

:pac:

John Mason · 03-03-2014 06:32PM

Riskymove wrote: »

er...

:pac:

because i am 8 months pregnant, when i am not pregnant, it is not an issue

Galwayguy35 · 03-03-2014 06:50PM

John Mason wrote: »

because i am 8 months pregnant, when i am not pregnant, it is not an issue

You're John Mason and your preggers?

Knine · 03-03-2014 06:57PM

No they should definitely not be given temporary disabled permits.

I have been pregnant and I was certainly not disabled even though I was very unwell and ended up hospitalised.

I have a disabled child. Pregnancy is a choice. A disability is not. There is a hell of a difference between the two. There are often very little disabled spaces available at peak times in shopping centres, City Centre Etc.

Try driving to Tesco on a rainy day and see how many of the spaces are occupied by drivers with the permit. I spend a lot of time at Temple Street Children's Hospital. Again try to find a space there when you really need one.

The criteria for these permits are very strict for a reason.

John Mason · 03-03-2014 06:59PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You're John Mason and your preggers?

yes and

Arthur Beesley · 03-03-2014 07:01PM

No way.

Next you'll want us to give up our seats on public transport for them.

rubadub · 03-03-2014 08:26PM

Greenmachine wrote: »

Pregnancy is not a disability.

The OP never said it was. Dunno why people are getting all pedantic and hung up on the words. It'd be like telling some off for locking a unicycle up to a rack that clearly said BIcycle rack.

kneemos wrote: »

Never seen a pregnant woman running a marathon or digging a hole?

google images shows loads of them doing marathons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/woman-gives-birth-after-c_n_1003248.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- A pregnant suburban Chicago woman felt contractions a few minutes after finishing the Chicago Marathon and gave birth hours later to a baby daughter.

Amber Miller was nearly 39 weeks pregnant when she started the 26.2 mile race on Sunday morning. The DuPage County woman tells the Daily Herald in a telephone interview from her hospital bed that her doctor allowed her to run half the race and walk half the race.

http://blog.chron.com/momhouston/2011/01/pregnant-women-in-texas-may-be-eligible-for-temporary-disability-parking-placards-a-poll/

According to the New York Daily News, a city councilman in New York plans to introduce legislation that would let pregnant women with mobility issues to apply for and receive parking placards to allow them to park in special spots.

This has understandably sparked debate among those who believe pregnant women choose to be pregnant and get too many perks anyway. As the Huffington Post writes of the law:

A City Councilman has a proposal that might turn the swollen feet, achy back and raging indigestion of a difficult pregnancy into a pretty sweet perk: free parking.

This legislation would never be proposed in Texas, mostly because pregnant women experiencing difficulties can already apply for a disability parking placard.

“Any time a doctor says that it’s medically necessary to have a temporary placard (people are) entitled to one,” says Kim Sue Lia Perkes, spokesperson for the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles.

I expect the same happens here, if a woman does need it the doctor will give it. I would not be offering it out as many will just take it when they do not really need it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-496488/Heavily-pregnant-woman-fined-90-parking-mother-toddler-bay-Tesco.html

Heavily pregnant woman fined £90 for parking in mother and toddler bay at Tesco
Heavily pregnant and already overdue, Laura Howard decided to pop to Tesco for some last-minute baby goods.
Because she was finding it hard to get around, she parked in a mother-and-toddler space to be closer to the supermarket.
Half an hour later she struggled back to the car with her shopping to find a £90 parking ticket on the windscreen.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-496488/Heavily-pregnant-woman-fined-90-parking-mother-toddler-bay-Tesco.html#ixzz2uvhkRwQ2
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Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 08:30PM

John Mason wrote: »

yes and

Yeh, what on earth could be causing his confusion? I can fully understand why you use the

symbol.

Arthur Beesley · 03-03-2014 08:47PM

Would they be issued by the same GP's that give out fake doctors letters to get off work?

cruais · 03-03-2014 08:51PM

I can just see it now!

As well as our "fine society" deliberately getting knocked up for social claims, they can add a temp disabled pass to the incentive

Femme_Fatale · 03-03-2014 08:55PM

They're even able to knock themselves up too, the hussies.

Synyster Shadow · 03-03-2014 09:11PM

No

Some women when pregnant develope conditions that can't really hinder walking and some meed crutches so for that reason and other such issues I think it could make there life easier and my answer be yes

Should pregnant women be given temporary disabled permits?

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