Africa and getting conquered

jane82 · 03-03-2014 08:25PM #1

What would have happened if the bold countries never found africa or south africa and never took them as slaves or plundered their resources?
Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

woodoo · 03-03-2014 08:28PM

Its hard to know, on thing for sure is the place was badly carved up by aul whitey. Leaving different warring tribes and ethnic groups under one country and their kin in another.

03-03-2014 08:29PM

woodoo wrote: »

Its hard to know, on thing for sure is the place was badly carved up by aul whitey. Leaving different warring tribes and ethnic groups under one country and their kin in another.

Suits us though. Make a majority-friendly country and take what ya want. Or keep them warring a bit and take what ya want.

Donkey Oaty · 03-03-2014 08:30PM

jane82 wrote: »

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Me Tarzan.

Who you?

major bill · 03-03-2014 08:31PM

Nobody will ever know but sticking with after hours tradition lets all agree that the Brits were a shower of Bastards!!

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-03-2014 08:32PM

Can't really blame the white man anymore

Steppenwolfe · 03-03-2014 08:32PM

There would have been a different Oscar winner this year.

Hootanany · 03-03-2014 08:33PM

woodoo wrote: »

Its hard to know, on thing for sure is the place was badly carved up by aul whitey. Leaving different warring tribes and ethnic groups under one country and their kin in another.

That's a bit Racist.

darkpagandeath · 03-03-2014 08:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Suits us though. Make a majority-friendly country and take what ya want. Or keep them warring a bit and take what ya want.

I think your forgetting a lot of the warring is of their own making. Just like everywhere else they don't need an excuse to kill each other.

jane82 · 03-03-2014 08:33PM

major bill wrote: »

Nobody will ever know but sticking with after hours tradition lets all agree that the Brits were a shower of Bastards!!

Ah there was a bunch of them in it in fairness. I think even the danish took a bit of land hers and there.

dotsman · 03-03-2014 08:34PM

They would have enslaved us, stolen our resources and completely redrawn the internal borders of Europe.

It's not like they didn't try!

MadYaker · 03-03-2014 08:35PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't really blame the white man anymore

I don't know about that, theres still an awful lot of meddling going on. I don't know if Africa would be a paradise had the Europeans left it alone, but it would almost certainly be less ****ed up than it is now.

Push Pop · 03-03-2014 08:35PM

jane82 wrote: »

What would have happened if the bold countries never found africa or south africa and never took them as slaves or plundered their resources?
Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

Blame the white man, it's just easier to accept that explanation.

darkpagandeath · 03-03-2014 08:37PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I don't know about that, theres still an awful lot of meddling going on. I don't know if Africa would be a paradise had the Europeans left it alone, but it would almost certainly be less ****ed up than it is now.

Yeah all those different tribes really get on don't they.... I'm sure back in the past they were all holding hands/hugging each other as well.

R P McMurphy · 03-03-2014 08:40PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah all those different tribes really get on don't they.... I'm sure back in the past they were all holding hands/hugging each other as well.

He is probably referring to the mass and persistant transfer of assets from the continent

darkpagandeath · 03-03-2014 08:43PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

He is probably referring to the mass and persistant transfer of assets from the continent

Ah ok so that's the only reason people cant eat... Buying massive army's transferring the wealth to your immediate family clan and so on has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Arthur Beesley · 03-03-2014 08:45PM

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

There would have been a different Oscar winner this year.

Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained suggests otherwise.

R P McMurphy · 03-03-2014 08:47PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah ok so that's the only reason people cant eat... Buying massive army's transferring the wealth to your immediate family clan and so on has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The lack of transparency in systems of administration from colonial times onwards and the fostering of corrupt governance to facilitate asset stripping by previous colonial countries and companies from those countries as well as a host of new entrants such as China would play a large part

Hootanany · 03-03-2014 08:47PM

Was he in the Super Bowl ad.

The King of Moo · 03-03-2014 08:48PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah all those different tribes really get on don't they.... I'm sure back in the past they were all holding hands/hugging each other as well.

No they weren't, but they also didn't force themselves to live under the same political system in the same state as each other.

darkpagandeath · 03-03-2014 08:53PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

No they weren't, but they also didn't force themselves to live under the same political system in the same state as each other.

Africa is a big place it contains many countries as well, it's not just south Africa ...:rolleyes:

03-03-2014 08:58PM

I'm guessing most of it would still be as it was before the first white-men got there.
An iron age society with a hell of a lot less people as they would have just continued slaughtering each other wholesale and selling those they didn't kill to the Arabs, as they had been doing for multiple generations up to and for some time after the arrival of the first white-men.

Donkey Oaty · 03-03-2014 09:05PM

We'd have no reggae, apart from some of the early stuff by The Police.

And we can only speculate as to what the current advertising campaign for Guinness would be.

The Diabolical Monocle · 03-03-2014 09:08PM

jane82 wrote: »

Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

Sayin nuthin.

biko · 03-03-2014 09:10PM

Slavery and Muslim conquest in Africa is much older than the European colonisation but I like to think it would have been less bad overall today if they hadn't been subjected to Europeans as well. The technology would have been slower to develop but the minerals and oil trade would have made African countries incredibly rich (not all countries but many).

Riddle101 · 03-03-2014 09:11PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

We'd have no reggae, apart from some of the early stuff by The Police.

And we can only speculate as to what the current advertising campaign for Guinness would be.

Why wouldn't we have reggae? Jamaica isn't in Africa.

Donkey Oaty · 03-03-2014 09:13PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why wouldn't we have reggae? Jamaica isn't in Africa.

No, but they all listened to African radio.

Zillah · 03-03-2014 09:27PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why wouldn't we have reggae? Jamaica isn't in Africa.

Where do you think Jamaica's population came from?

tomwaterford · 03-03-2014 09:58PM

if they weren't taken over and never heard of Europe,hard to know would they be better or worse off
they wouldn't have as big adult populations if they hadn't as good medical care and therefore less famines???

one thing for sure,id miss listening to the taxi drivers complaining about them

Arthur Beesley · 03-03-2014 10:08PM

biko wrote: »

Slavery and Muslim conquest in Africa is much older than the European colonisation but I like to think it would have been less bad overall today if they hadn't been subjected to Europeans as well. The technology would have been slower to develop but the minerals and oil trade would have made African countries incredibly rich (not all countries but many).

And how much of that would have affected the lives of ordinary people vs lining the pockets of the leaders and their supporters? Think Mugabe and his ilk.

The only difference would be who was doing the 'exploitation'.

Arthur Beesley · 03-03-2014 10:17PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

No, but they all listened to African radio.

Africa probably wouldn't have radio yet.

Africa and getting conquered

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