Africa and getting conquered

jane82

What would have happened if the bold countries never found africa or south africa and never took them as slaves or plundered their resources?
Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

woodoo

Its hard to know, on thing for sure is the place was badly carved up by aul whitey. Leaving different warring tribes and ethnic groups under one country and their kin in another.

woodoo

woodoo wrote: »

Its hard to know, on thing for sure is the place was badly carved up by aul whitey. Leaving different warring tribes and ethnic groups under one country and their kin in another.

Suits us though. Make a majority-friendly country and take what ya want. Or keep them warring a bit and take what ya want.

Donkey Oaty

jane82 wrote: »

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Me Tarzan.

Who you?

major bill

Nobody will ever know but sticking with after hours tradition lets all agree that the Brits were a shower of Bastards!!

SEPT 23 1989

Can't really blame the white man anymore

Steppenwolfe

There would have been a different Oscar winner this year.

Hootanany

woodoo wrote: »

Its hard to know, on thing for sure is the place was badly carved up by aul whitey. Leaving different warring tribes and ethnic groups under one country and their kin in another.

That's a bit Racist.

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Suits us though. Make a majority-friendly country and take what ya want. Or keep them warring a bit and take what ya want.

I think your forgetting a lot of the warring is of their own making. Just like everywhere else they don't need an excuse to kill each other.

jane82

major bill wrote: »

Nobody will ever know but sticking with after hours tradition lets all agree that the Brits were a shower of Bastards!!

Ah there was a bunch of them in it in fairness. I think even the danish took a bit of land hers and there.

dotsman

They would have enslaved us, stolen our resources and completely redrawn the internal borders of Europe.

It's not like they didn't try!

MadYaker

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't really blame the white man anymore

I don't know about that, theres still an awful lot of meddling going on. I don't know if Africa would be a paradise had the Europeans left it alone, but it would almost certainly be less ****ed up than it is now.

Push Pop

jane82 wrote: »

What would have happened if the bold countries never found africa or south africa and never took them as slaves or plundered their resources?
Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

Blame the white man, it's just easier to accept that explanation.

darkpagandeath

MadYaker wrote: »

I don't know about that, theres still an awful lot of meddling going on. I don't know if Africa would be a paradise had the Europeans left it alone, but it would almost certainly be less ****ed up than it is now.

Yeah all those different tribes really get on don't they.... I'm sure back in the past they were all holding hands/hugging each other as well.

R P McMurphy

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah all those different tribes really get on don't they.... I'm sure back in the past they were all holding hands/hugging each other as well.

He is probably referring to the mass and persistant transfer of assets from the continent

darkpagandeath

R P McMurphy wrote: »

He is probably referring to the mass and persistant transfer of assets from the continent

Ah ok so that's the only reason people cant eat... Buying massive army's transferring the wealth to your immediate family clan and so on has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Arthur Beesley

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

There would have been a different Oscar winner this year.

Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained suggests otherwise.

R P McMurphy

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah ok so that's the only reason people cant eat... Buying massive army's transferring the wealth to your immediate family clan and so on has absolutely nothing to do with it.

The lack of transparency in systems of administration from colonial times onwards and the fostering of corrupt governance to facilitate asset stripping by previous colonial countries and companies from those countries as well as a host of new entrants such as China would play a large part

Hootanany

Was he in the Super Bowl ad.

The King of Moo

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah all those different tribes really get on don't they.... I'm sure back in the past they were all holding hands/hugging each other as well.

No they weren't, but they also didn't force themselves to live under the same political system in the same state as each other.

darkpagandeath

The King of Moo wrote: »

No they weren't, but they also didn't force themselves to live under the same political system in the same state as each other.

Africa is a big place it contains many countries as well, it's not just south Africa ...:rolleyes:

323

I'm guessing most of it would still be as it was before the first white-men got there.
An iron age society with a hell of a lot less people as they would have just continued slaughtering each other wholesale and selling those they didn't kill to the Arabs, as they had been doing for multiple generations up to and for some time after the arrival of the first white-men.

Donkey Oaty

We'd have no reggae, apart from some of the early stuff by The Police.

And we can only speculate as to what the current advertising campaign for Guinness would be.

The Diabolical Monocle

jane82 wrote: »

Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

Sayin nuthin.

biko

Slavery and Muslim conquest in Africa is much older than the European colonisation but I like to think it would have been less bad overall today if they hadn't been subjected to Europeans as well. The technology would have been slower to develop but the minerals and oil trade would have made African countries incredibly rich (not all countries but many).

Riddle101

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

We'd have no reggae, apart from some of the early stuff by The Police.

And we can only speculate as to what the current advertising campaign for Guinness would be.

Why wouldn't we have reggae? Jamaica isn't in Africa.

Donkey Oaty

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why wouldn't we have reggae? Jamaica isn't in Africa.

No, but they all listened to African radio.

Zillah

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why wouldn't we have reggae? Jamaica isn't in Africa.

Where do you think Jamaica's population came from?

tomwaterford

if they weren't taken over and never heard of Europe,hard to know would they be better or worse off
they wouldn't have as big adult populations if they hadn't as good medical care and therefore less famines???

one thing for sure,id miss listening to the taxi drivers complaining about them

Arthur Beesley

biko wrote: »

Slavery and Muslim conquest in Africa is much older than the European colonisation but I like to think it would have been less bad overall today if they hadn't been subjected to Europeans as well. The technology would have been slower to develop but the minerals and oil trade would have made African countries incredibly rich (not all countries but many).

And how much of that would have affected the lives of ordinary people vs lining the pockets of the leaders and their supporters? Think Mugabe and his ilk.

The only difference would be who was doing the 'exploitation'.

Arthur Beesley

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

No, but they all listened to African radio.

Africa probably wouldn't have radio yet.

Donkey Oaty

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Africa probably wouldn't have radio yet.

Well iTunes then.

Donkey Oaty

That's true, it was Christopher Columbas who brought reggae to the new world. Here's a song by him called "Burning Spear".

Riddle101

Zillah wrote: »

Where do you think Jamaica's population came from?

People from various different countries settled in it hundreds of years before. It's accepted that the majority are descended from Africa, but like the United States it would be multiracial ethnically and you would have had generations of breeding. By the 1960s the population of Jamaica would just be Jamaican.

Also Reggae evolved from different music genres, just like Heavy Metal evolved( largely from the blues), so it still stands as to whether or not we would have Reggae today or not.

Plus it was Christopher Columbus who founded Jamaica, so if you want to get technical then we should be thanking him.

Nodin

major bill wrote: »

Nobody will ever know but sticking with after hours tradition lets all agree that the Brits were a shower of Bastards!!

One must also mention the French, Belgians, Portugese and Germans, who did their reputations and the natives no favours at all.

No Pants

R P McMurphy wrote: »

He is probably referring to the mass and persistant transfer of assets from the continent

All their internal transport infrastructure was designed and built to take resources off the continent as quickly as possible.

itsirishfarmer

you know the irish were slaves

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

Badly Drunk Boy

Riddle101 wrote: »

Plus it was Christopher Columbus who founded Jamaica, so if you want to get technical then we should be thanking him.

I doubt if the indigenous folk were jammin' when Columbus got there...

Badly Drunk Boy

itsirishfarmer wrote: »

you know the irish were slaves

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

"To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland" is another good book on the subject. There's an old church a few miles from me that has the names of the local people who were taken to the Caribbean as slaves in the 17th century. I think one whole village was taken at one stage.

biko

itsirishfarmer wrote: »

you know the irish were slaves

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

Indeed, no offence to Africans but people tend to only see black slaves in America and forget about all the other slaves there have been, and is - even today slavery is still not uncommon.

The King of Moo

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Africa is a big place it contains many countries as well, it's not just south Africa ...:rolleyes:

Yes, I'm well aware of that.

Capt'n Midnight

Nodin wrote: »

One must also mention the French, Belgians, Portugese and Germans, who did their reputations and the natives no favours at all.

The Portuguese were there for hundreds of years before the rest and integrated better , for the standard of the time.

You missed the Italians.
And the Abyssinians who took over what is now Eritrea and much of what is now the south of Ethiopia during the scramble for Africa.
And the Ottomans and the Omanis
And the Spanish
And the Dutch for a bit.

And then there's the expansion of the Zulu's southwards.

Slightly off topic but the Danes weren't exactly nice over in the Caribbean



Africa isn't a country. Different things happened in different places to different cultures.

Botswana doesn't appear in the news often.

RandomName2

jane82 wrote: »

Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman

I'm assuming that you are including... let's say the Ottoman Empire in that? Although slavery was in north Africa since the dawn of history.

shrewd

i think they would be like the East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), who evolved and develop themselves.

BraziliaNZ

Regardless of colour, humans are humans. If Ireland was a powerful country and Britain was full of little feuding clans running around the place, do you really think we would have left it alone throughout history? No, we'd have plundered that sh*t. Same goes for Africa. It's dog eat dog, or has been throughout history. At least nowadays the powerful nations try to respect human rights and borders to a certain extent (don't mention the Russians). Or you're killing Arabs with drones, but they don't count as real people.

Iwasfrozen

shrewd wrote: »

i think they would be like the East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), who evolved and develop themselves.

Nah. For starters the East Asians had wheat and rice. Domesticated farm animals, beasts of burden, advanced metal working and a much nicer climate without Lions trying to kill you.

Potatoeman

shrewd wrote: »

i think they would be like the East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans), who evolved and develop themselves.

Asia had nearly as much western influence as Africa.

fundi

China only developed when it saw the success the British had made of Hong Kong and when the British lease ended it more or less copied Hong Kong, in terms of economic policy / manufacturing / export / trade, when it took over Hong Kong, about 15 years ago. Singapore is also arguably the most advanced place in the region, it had the advantage of having their infrastructure, legal syatem etc developed ( by Europeans) in the 19th century.

whisky_galore

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can't really blame the white man anymore

Well yes and no, multinational oil and minerals companies wanting a piece of the action and those in power and their cronies creaming the profits for themselves, feathering their own nests and leaving the general population to go and sh1te. Africa is one of the richest places in the world for mineral resources but the ordinary people don't get a sniff of the profits a lot of the time.

GaelMise

jane82 wrote: »

What would have happened if the bold countries never found africa or south africa and never took them as slaves or plundered their resources?
Would it be a thriving place now if it never had any dealings with the whiteman or would it have died out due to a famine or something like aids?
Ive no idea have you?

Very difficult to say what would have happened. It would be quite hard to argue that it would have turned out as bad as it has though.

OneWayAround

White Europeans destroyed Africa. This is fact, there is no disputing this. Yet people still do, somehow the popular thing now is to downplay the effect Europeans had on the African continent. Another thing I've noticed amongst Irish people is the downplaying of the British involvement in Africa and elsewhere, including our own country. 'Lets blame the Brits' is a comment made sarcastically. As if they never actually did any harm anywhere, it's just us Paddies looking for someone to blame for our ills. What's that all about?