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David Norris cranks up his private war machine

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  • #32
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    He adds to the gaiety of the nation.

    Country needs more proper eccentrics like him, and less whingers giving out about shít on the Internet.


  • #33
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wazky wrote: »
    Thank the Lord he didn't win the presidency, embarrassing.

    Yea, were so better off with Happy, Doc, Squeky, or whatever that egomaniac , self idolizing dwarfs name is!


  • #34
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Yea, were so better off with Happy, Doc, Squeky, or whatever that egomaniac , self idolizing dwarfs name is!

    It's a pity when people fear intelligence.


  • #35
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wazky wrote: »
    It's a pity when people fear intelligence.

    The electorate clearly did when they elected that pseudo-intellectual effeminate hobbit!


  • #36
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    The electorate clearly did when they elected that pseudo-intellectual effeminate hobbit!

    Instead of the token gay, the shinner or the bald blind one?


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  • #37
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    wazky wrote: »
    Instead of the token gay, the shinner or the bald blind one?

    And people think monarchy is a bad thing.


  • #38
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    And people think monarchy is a bad thing.


    Yes they do, fred, yes they do.


  • #39
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    The electorate clearly did when they elected that pseudo-intellectual effeminate hobbit!
    Yeh his size and his being effeminate are really of concern... :confused:


  • #40
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Yeh his size and his being effeminate are really of concern... :confused:

    Not to mention that he's an intellectual and not a "pseudo-intellectual."


  • #41
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes they do, fred, yes they do.

    Shame Marti didn't get it. At least we'd have free ink cartridges for everyone and more cricket on RTE.


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  • #42
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That's disgusting if you think he's actually lying about having cancer. Have you seen the man in person recently? He looks like a shadow of his former self. Whatever about the AH banter, have some respect, jesus.

    Seriously, he has more integrity in his little finger than most would-be politicians have nowadays in their whole body.

    Trying to get a paedophile off the hook, engaged in dangerous activities (swimming :P) in Eastern Europe while on unpaid leave (yeah, we all get paid for taking foreign jaunts) and "feeling presidential" are just a few of the integrity ticks that you could put after his name.
    The one about the swimming in Hungary .......... how did he arrive at that conclusion? Was it proven? Or was it a PR stunt to try and divert those Epidemiologists who are not so gullible.
    Furthermore, if he was so ill as to collect from a sickness purse at Trinity, how the fuck was he healthy enough to be President of an ICA branch - never mind a country?


  • #43
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Shame Marti didn't get it. At least we'd have free ink cartridges for everyone and more cricket on RTE.
    The royal family seem like all right folks but monarchy is an archaic system. One doesn't have to be a shinner to think that.


  • #44
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Is there no stopping this man. Death's door some time ago and now set to go 15 rounds with Helen Lucy Burke. Once again he catapults himself into the limelight in his quest for what he terms justice.
    This time we'll have to listen to my learned friend's interpretation of things. These legal blatherings will make a welcome break from his client's own bleatings

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/helen-lucy-burke-fails-to-get-disclosure-in-norris-libel-action-1.1708401

    I LOVE DAVID NORRIS ..that is all


  • #45
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.


  • #46
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.

    Who treats him unfairly?


  • #47
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Am I the only one who read the title and thought maybe Norris was caught masturbating in Collins Barracks?


  • #48
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    The one about the swimming in Hungary .......... how did he arrive at that conclusion? Was it proven? Or was it a PR stunt to try and divert those Epidemiologists who are not so gullible.

    You got something you are trying to say here?


  • #49
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I LOVE DAVID NORRIS ... that is all.
    Lou.m wrote: »
    I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.


    He doesn't half ask for it Lou. I don't see why he should be held above criticism when he uses his influence as a public figure to further his own agenda as a private citizen. That makes him no better than any of the other nest featherers I have no time for.


  • #50
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    Am I the only one who read the title and thought maybe Norris was caught masturbating in Collins Barracks?

    I doubt it - unless he has invented a new way. Seemingly it takes a lot of energy and according to his press releases, he's a bit short in that department.


  • #51
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    You got something you are trying to say here?

    Am just amazed that there was not an outbreak of hep there when he contracted it. Or perhaps the Hungarians kept away from his swimming venue once they realized his proclivities?
    Could be. But his insistence that he got it while swimming .......... and his repeating this ad nauseum has echoes of Shakespeare's "doth protest too much" about it. Someone else mentioned King Lear ......... could finish up with De Profundis


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  • #52
    steveone
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    Lou.m wrote: »
    I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.

    Unfairly treat him or treat him unfairly?


  • #53
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    I doubt it - unless he has invented a new way. Seemingly it takes a lot of energy and according to his press releases, he's a bit short in that department.
    Keeping classy with that post.

    Edit: And the one above too.


  • #54
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    He doesn't half ask for it Lou. I don't see why he should be held above criticism when he uses his influence as a public figure to further his own agenda as a private citizen. That makes him no better than any of the other nest featherers I have no time for.

    I respect your right to your opinion on his.

    Everyone feathers their nest some use more feathers than others.

    He is not above criticism. But many others deserve more that what he gets.
    He says views were falsely attributed to him in the May 2011 broadcast which he never held or expressed. The quoted material was false and a deliberate distortion of what he actually said in his 2002 interview with Ms Burke, he says.

    He has been routinely slandered throughout his career. Much of it about what now is a perfectly legal 'lifestyle' in the 80's. They ripped him about prior to decriminalization.

    Just look at the comments he contracted the WATERBORNE variation of Hepatitis while visiting Central Europe in 1994. This had been confirmed. The WATERBORNE variation. And just look at the comments. People dislike Norris for the wrong reasons. There are plenty of sleazy straight politicians but people attack Norris like they would the office gay guy or the gay at school. The subtle little homophobic comments etc.

    He is suing for defamation after comments attributed to him portraying him as someone who had a vague attitude to pederasty. If he were a straight man people would be yelling ANTI MANISM ETC !!!

    The woman who wrote it now seemingly cannot find the evidence and he is suing her for defaming him. And so would most men if those comments were attributed falsely to them.

    He is definitely not perfect but people have tolerated a lot worse in other politicians.

    It is the Double standard that I object to. There are far dirtier nest featherers and they deserve their fair share.


  • #55
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    steveone wrote: »
    Unfairly treat him or treat him unfairly?

    The latter. -_-


  • #56
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Lou.m wrote: »
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    Just look at the comments he contracted the WATERBORNE variation of Hepatitis while visiting Central Europe in 1994. This had been confirmed. The WATERBORNE variation.
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    It is the Double standard that I object to. There are far dirtier nest featherers and they deserve their fair share.


    And saliva does not count? Saliva infected with whatever? Infected water is no longer H2O only. Saliva is no longer H2O only

    Of course there are more unsavoury characters. But we're discussing one person here - not the whole of Ireland.


  • #57
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Keeping classy with that post.

    Edit: And the one above too.

    Keeping realistic.

    After what he described being a fantasy of his .......... an older man teaching him in sexual ways .......... I certainly would not let a young lad in his mid teens be alone with him.

    This in my book would come under the context of sex abuse.

    Your ideas on that?


  • #58
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Lou.m wrote: »
    I respect your right to your opinion on his.

    Everyone feathers their nest some use more feathers than others.

    He is not above criticism. But many others deserve more that what he gets.


    I think he doesn't get enough criticism levelled at him Lou simply for the fact that he's a blustering, pompous windbag full of his own self importance. Then again so is Luke 'Ming' Flanagan, so I DO understand where you're coming from. I think the reason neither of them are as heavily criticised as they should be is because they are 'character' politicians, could never be taken seriously and are merely humoured, but both are skilled at riding on the coat tails of social change.

    He has been routinely slandered throughout his career. Much of it about what now is a perfectly legal 'lifestyle' in the 80's. They ripped him about prior to decriminalization.

    Just look at the comments he contracted the WATERBORNE variation of Hepatitis while visiting Central Europe in 1994. This had been confirmed. The WATERBORNE variation. And just look at the comments. People dislike Norris for the wrong reasons. There are plenty of sleazy straight politicians but people attack Norris like they would the office gay guy or the gay at school. The subtle little homophobic comments etc.


    David Norris gives people plenty of reasons to dislike him other than the fact that he's gay. He's a man who likes to portray himself as the incorruptible intellectual, but scratch a bit deeper than the jovial surface and the drama queen doesn't be long coming out, where he thinks in the highest echelons of the political sphere, it's acceptable to tell another politician she's talking out her fanny; "The Regina monologues" was it? Dogs on the street wouldn't be so disgusting.

    He is suing for defamation after comments attributed to him portraying him as someone who had a vague attitude to pederasty. If he were a straight man people would be yelling ANTI MANISM ETC !!!

    The woman who wrote it now seemingly cannot find the evidence and he is suing her for defaming him. And so would most men if those comments were attributed falsely to them.

    He is definitely not perfect but people have tolerated a lot worse in other politicians.


    You also seem to be overlooking the fact Lou that the same people who tolerated a lot worse in other politicians (Me personally, they could bleed the country dry, but pleading leniency for their ex lover like it could create a diplomatic incident? Far less kosher tbh). Despite this perceived media smear campaign, Norris was streets ahead in the polls in the run up to the Presidential Elections, but he only had himself to blame for his flaky behaviour - "I'm in, I'm out, I'm back in, OK, this time I mean it, I'm out, now leave me alone!". Really, is that any way to be carrying on when the world's eyes are on you?

    It is the Double standard that I object to. There are far dirtier nest featherers and they deserve their fair share.


    There's no double standard in play here Lou, unless you mean the double standards of Norris himself when he uses his sexuality to promote himself, and then uses his sexuality again to claim persecution and protect himself from criticism. Most people couldn't care less for his sexuality, but the hypocrisy, spin, and his thinking that he can say what he likes and get away with what he likes - one thing to do it as a private citizen, quite another when you're a public figure that is supposed to conduct themselves with an expected standard of behaviour. Norris falls well short of that standard in many ways and has done for years, but was allowed get away with it for far too long because people feared accusations of homophobia if they so much as said boo to the man.


  • #59
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Keeping realistic.

    After what he described being a fantasy of his .......... an older man teaching him in sexual ways .......... I certainly would not let a young lad in his mid teens be alone with him.

    This in my book would come under the context of sex abuse.

    Your ideas on that?

    And if a straight teenage boy fantasizes about an older woman teaching him in sexual ways, it's a Hollywood comedy staple.


  • #60
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    And if a straight teenage boy fantasizes about an older woman teaching him in sexual ways, it's a Hollywood comedy staple.

    Providing that the young boy (when he grows up and becomes a public figure) doesn't try and get the same lady off a charge of juvenile rape where she sexually abused an underage girl. Got it?


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  • #61
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Keeping realistic.

    After what he described being a fantasy of his .......... an older man teaching him in sexual ways .......... I certainly would not let a young lad in his mid teens be alone with him.

    This in my book would come under the context of sex abuse.

    Your ideas on that?
    He's hardly a paedophile, it was spoken about in a more philosophical capacity, around the world what he was talking about was and is a cultural rite of passage, it's wrong to equate it to sexual abuse. He shouldn't have said it given the close-mindedness of people who would hear it and immediately pounce on a label to describe it. I find sexual abuse abhorrent and think it's very dangerous and damaging, for you to go around insinuating people are paedophiles. I won't go into detail about it here as it's just the wrong forum to do so but I do understand how he meant it and know he is certainly not of that thought pattern. You've already given me an indication of how you feel and would like to express yourself so I feel anything more I have to say on the matter is wasted here, in all due respect.
    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Providing that the young boy (when he grows up and becomes a public figure) doesn't try and get the same lady off a charge of juvenile rape where she sexually abused an underage girl. Got it?
    Truly awful insinuation - you should be ashamed of yourself for making a comparison as such.


    Edit: Keeping this confined to single post because I don't want this thread to take such a direction, nor do I feel it's worth arguing any further than needed with poster;
    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    If you read the full mail you will see that there was no insinuation. I was making a comparison to another poster. Comparison does not equal insinuation. But maybe to you it does. If you're able to screw up on digesting a simple paragraph then you are liable to skew other's points of view.
    I think it's very clear from a select few comments you made what you think, regardless of whether you think I was misquoting or not (that was certainly not the intention, and I think evasion tactics are similarly in poor sport). If you feel you can suggest Norris is sexually promiscuous (saliva/hep comment) and/or a paedophile based on a food critic's poorly interpreted interview, I believe it speaks volumes. This kind of attitude is certainly not a first, having seen other select comments you have made in the past, and I think that is unfortunate, to put it lightly.


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