David Norris cranks up his private war machine

WilyCoyote

Is there no stopping this man. Death's door some time ago and now set to go 15 rounds with Helen Lucy Burke. Once again he catapults himself into the limelight in his quest for what he terms justice.
This time we'll have to listen to my learned friend's interpretation of things. These legal blatherings will make a welcome break from his client's own bleatings

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/helen-lucy-burke-fails-to-get-disclosure-in-norris-libel-action-1.1708401

porsche959

Interesting timing considering what is going on in the UK with the imbruglia over Harriet Harman, NCCL and PIE etc.

Wacker The Attacker

Shouldnt the title be "When will David Norris Ever Stop Speaking Bollocks"

kneemos

As long as I don't hear his voice at any point I could care less .

Wacker The Attacker

kneemos wrote: »

As long as I don't hear his voice at any point I could care less .

This implies that you care.

WilyCoyote

Timing or coincidence?
And for good measure, blame The Daily Mail before The Mail was proven to be right.

"Just what do Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey think they’re doing? Yesterday I wrote a piece questioning their former NCCL colleague Patricia Hewitt, and the way she had failed to respond to the evidence of links between that organisation and PIE, the front organisation for a group of 1970s child abusers. “Unless there is some practical personal reason none of us are aware of for Hewitt not facing her accusers, she’s left her former colleagues, and her former party, swinging in the wind,” I wrote.
Well, late yesterday – and to her credit – Hewitt responded to those accusations with a concise and no-nonsense apology. “NCCL in the 1970s, along with many others, was naive and wrong to accept PIE's claim to be a 'campaigning and counselling organisation' that 'does not promote unlawful acts',” she said. "As general secretary then, I take responsibility for the mistakes we made. I should have urged the executive committee to take stronger measures to protect NCCL's integrity from the activities of PIE members and sympathisers and I deeply regret not having done so.”
That statement has two immediate consequences. First, it brings closure on the issue for Patricia Hewitt. And secondly it makes Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey’s current stance totally untenable.
Ever since last week both Harman and Dromey have based their defence on three increasingly spurious arguments. The first was that the whole thing was a “smear” cooked up by The Daily Mail.
Despite the continued self-righteous pontificating of their supporters – who now appear to include senior representatives of the Hacked Off campaign – that defence has been totally and utterly demolished. The NCCL story was good, legitimate journalism. The fact it has now been covered by all major news outlets (indeed it was first raised by the Telegraph’s own Damian Thompson), coupled with Hewitt’s apology, prove the Mail was right to print it."

Full story:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100261646/nccl-paedophilia-scandal-patricia-hewitts-apology-blows-harriet-harmans-last-defence-out-of-the-water/

Arthur Beesley

Just be thankful we have a Hobbit in Áras an Uachtaráin and not this individual.

Wacker The Attacker

porsche959 wrote: »

Interesting timing considering what is going on in the UK with the imbruglia over Harriet Harman, NCCL and PIE etc.

That was a right natalie alright

porsche959

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Timing or coincidence?

Coincidence would have been a better way of putting it.

Teyla Emmagan

I think Helen Lucy Burke may be a right little goblin, to be fair. Also, he's dying. Let him do whatever he wants.

Specialun

He likes micky

Hermy

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

...he's dying...

Is he?

holystungun9

Hermy wrote: »

Is he?

We all are my friend.

Vision of Disorder

Hermy wrote: »

Is he?

Well I guess we're all dying technically?

Edit: holystungun9 outdrew me... no I really do feel I'm dying... of shame!

M03 r numb3R5

Hermy wrote: »

Is he?

He won't like that!

Amalgam

porsche959 wrote: »

Interesting timing considering what is going on in the UK with the imbruglia over Harriet Harman, NCCL and PIE etc.

There are articles and photos from years ago. He was umm.. socialising with other groups that had some fairly broad interests.

I guess he has money to waste.

Muise...

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I think Helen Lucy Burke may be a right little goblin, to be fair. Also, he's dying. Let him do whatever he wants.

I want them both to lose.

Is he really dying though? I thought that was just another hissy fit.

J_E

Muise... wrote: »

I want them both to lose.

Is he really dying though? I thought that was just another hissy fit.

I can't tell if people are messing here or not...

kneemos

Cydoniac wrote: »

I can't tell if people are messing here or not...

Will there be consequences?

Muise...

Cydoniac wrote: »

I can't tell if people are messing here or not...

I'm not. He really gets on my tits. Every time he shoots his mouth off I wonder how someone with a job at Trinity (though not much in the way of academic degrees) can muddle information about sexuality and the classical world so very very badly.

Vision of Disorder

Cydoniac wrote: »

I can't tell if people are messing here or not...

I won't speak for anybody else but I think he's incredibly devious and, to be blunt, find it hard to accept anything he says at face value. So I'm not wholly and utterly convinced that all is as he says regarding the specifics of his illness.

Corkfeen

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

I won't speak for anybody else but I think he's incredibly devious and, to be blunt, find it hard to accept anything he says at face value. So I'm not wholly and utterly convinced that all is as he says regarding the specifics of his illness.

You think he's lying about having cancer? Dear jesus!

J_E

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

I won't speak for anybody else but I think he's incredibly devious and, to be blunt, find it hard to accept anything he says at face value. So I'm not wholly and utterly convinced that all is as he says regarding the specifics of his illness.

That's disgusting if you think he's actually lying about having cancer. Have you seen the man in person recently? He looks like a shadow of his former self. Whatever about the AH banter, have some respect, jesus.

Seriously, he has more integrity in his little finger than most would-be politicians have nowadays in their whole body.

Vision of Disorder

Corkfeen wrote: »

You think he's lying about having cancer? Dear jesus!

I don't know that he isn't. :P More seriously, I don't doubt that he's ill. It's the details that I wonder about, the 'fact' that he apparently got it through hepatitis that he contacted while doing "unpaid government work" in Eastern Europe in 1994. What a hero...

Stavros Murphy

Probably just me that neither knows nor cares then?

kneemos

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

I don't know that he isn't. :P More seriously, I don't doubt that he's ill. It's the details that I wonder about, the 'fact' that he apparently got it through hepatitis that he contacted while doing "unpaid government work" in Eastern Europe inu 1994. What a hero...

In a recent interview he was blaming the treatment he got from the media in the presidential election for bringing on his illness.Don't suppose it could be proven either way but he was blaming them in any case.

Vision of Disorder

kneemos wrote: »

In a recent interview he was blaming the treatment he got from the media in the presidential election for bringing on his illness.Don't suppose it could be proven either way but he was blaming them in any case.

Ah ok, it was last year that he blamed the poor water of Eastern Europe. It'll probably be my unkind posts on boards.ie next.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/senator-david-norris-confirms-serious-cancer-condition-29374307.html

Muise...

Cydoniac wrote: »

Seriously, he has more integrity in his little finger than most would-be politicians have nowadays in their whole body.

I have to disagree. I admire everything he did to decriminalise homosexual acts and to set an example of living openly and freely gay in Ireland.

But his abuse of public office to defend a friend convicted of a crime in another jurisdiction held no integrity. Worse, his waffling about pederasty and cultural relativism may have set back attitudes to non-normative sexuality in Ireland. This was a perfect opportunity to delineate legal and ethical terms -i.e the difference between paedophila and ephebophilia, yet he buffooned his way into a deeper hole of nonsense. If he has any integrity, it is the deluded pride and prickliness of an Irish King Lear.

CrabRevolution

Cydoniac wrote: »

That's disgusting if you think he's actually lying about having cancer. Have you seen the man in person recently? He looks like a shadow of his former self. Whatever about the AH banter, have some respect, jesus.

Seriously, he has more integrity in his little finger than most would-be politicians have nowadays in their whole body.

To be fair, its probably much easier not to look bad when unlike most politicians you're not really elected, only have to serve in a meaningless talking shop, and have no constituents to answer to.

wazky

Thank the Lord he didn't win the presidency, embarrassing.

cletus van damme

Cydoniac wrote: »

That's disgusting if you think he's actually lying about having cancer. Have you seen the man in person recently? He looks like a shadow of his former self. Whatever about the AH banter, have some respect, jesus.

Seriously, he has more integrity in his little finger than most would-be politicians have nowadays in their whole body.

pull the other one - if a Fianna Fail fellow wrote a letter on behalf of a person convicted of statutory rape - the country would be in arms. uproar.

Cos it's norris we're expected to let it go cos he was the man who invented gay rights ??

Then don't get me started on the pederasty stuff - although I can kinda accept he was waffling at a dinner party rather than acting in an offical capacity.

Davarus Walrus

He adds to the gaiety of the nation.

Country needs more proper eccentrics like him, and less whingers giving out about shít on the Internet.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

wazky wrote: »

Thank the Lord he didn't win the presidency, embarrassing.

Yea, were so better off with Happy, Doc, Squeky, or whatever that egomaniac , self idolizing dwarfs name is!

wazky

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Yea, were so better off with Happy, Doc, Squeky, or whatever that egomaniac , self idolizing dwarfs name is!

It's a pity when people fear intelligence.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

wazky wrote: »

It's a pity when people fear intelligence.

The electorate clearly did when they elected that pseudo-intellectual effeminate hobbit!

wazky

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The electorate clearly did when they elected that pseudo-intellectual effeminate hobbit!

Instead of the token gay, the shinner or the bald blind one?

Fratton Fred

wazky wrote: »

Instead of the token gay, the shinner or the bald blind one?

And people think monarchy is a bad thing.

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And people think monarchy is a bad thing.

Yes they do, fred, yes they do.

Femme_Fatale

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The electorate clearly did when they elected that pseudo-intellectual effeminate hobbit!

Yeh his size and his being effeminate are really of concern...

Muise...

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Yeh his size and his being effeminate are really of concern...

Not to mention that he's an intellectual and not a "pseudo-intellectual."

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

Yes they do, fred, yes they do.

Shame Marti didn't get it. At least we'd have free ink cartridges for everyone and more cricket on RTE.

WilyCoyote

Cydoniac wrote: »

That's disgusting if you think he's actually lying about having cancer. Have you seen the man in person recently? He looks like a shadow of his former self. Whatever about the AH banter, have some respect, jesus.

Seriously, he has more integrity in his little finger than most would-be politicians have nowadays in their whole body.

Trying to get a paedophile off the hook, engaged in dangerous activities (swimming :P) in Eastern Europe while on unpaid leave (yeah, we all get paid for taking foreign jaunts) and "feeling presidential" are just a few of the integrity ticks that you could put after his name.
The one about the swimming in Hungary .......... how did he arrive at that conclusion? Was it proven? Or was it a PR stunt to try and divert those Epidemiologists who are not so gullible.
Furthermore, if he was so ill as to collect from a sickness purse at Trinity, how the fuck was he healthy enough to be President of an ICA branch - never mind a country?

Femme_Fatale

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Shame Marti didn't get it. At least we'd have free ink cartridges for everyone and more cricket on RTE.

The royal family seem like all right folks but monarchy is an archaic system. One doesn't have to be a shinner to think that.

Lou.m

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Is there no stopping this man. Death's door some time ago and now set to go 15 rounds with Helen Lucy Burke. Once again he catapults himself into the limelight in his quest for what he terms justice.
This time we'll have to listen to my learned friend's interpretation of things. These legal blatherings will make a welcome break from his client's own bleatings

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/helen-lucy-burke-fails-to-get-disclosure-in-norris-libel-action-1.1708401

I LOVE DAVID NORRIS ..that is all

Lou.m

I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.

wazky

Lou.m wrote: »

I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.

Who treats him unfairly?

bodice ripper

Am I the only one who read the title and thought maybe Norris was caught masturbating in Collins Barracks?

bodice ripper

WilyCoyote wrote: »

The one about the swimming in Hungary .......... how did he arrive at that conclusion? Was it proven? Or was it a PR stunt to try and divert those Epidemiologists who are not so gullible.

You got something you are trying to say here?

Czarcasm

Lou.m wrote: »

I LOVE DAVID NORRIS ... that is all.

Lou.m wrote: »

I am sorry but many people unfairly treat this man.

He doesn't half ask for it Lou. I don't see why he should be held above criticism when he uses his influence as a public figure to further his own agenda as a private citizen. That makes him no better than any of the other nest featherers I have no time for.

WilyCoyote

bodice ripper wrote: »

Am I the only one who read the title and thought maybe Norris was caught masturbating in Collins Barracks?

I doubt it - unless he has invented a new way. Seemingly it takes a lot of energy and according to his press releases, he's a bit short in that department.

WilyCoyote

bodice ripper wrote: »

You got something you are trying to say here?

Am just amazed that there was not an outbreak of hep there when he contracted it. Or perhaps the Hungarians kept away from his swimming venue once they realized his proclivities?
Could be. But his insistence that he got it while swimming .......... and his repeating this ad nauseum has echoes of Shakespeare's "doth protest too much" about it. Someone else mentioned King Lear ......... could finish up with De Profundis