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Was Michelle Smith/de Brun guilty?

  • 27-02-2014 12:42AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭


    This has always fascinated me. Did she find some way to hide the drugs/enhancers in Atlanta '96. Was she doped up when she delivered Ireland's biggest medal haul at an Olympic Games? What really happened that night in Killkenny? Is she a decent barrister now?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    If we had to give the horse drugs in Athens I'm sure we had Michelle on drugs. What I would have liked to see was the horse and her swapping sports for the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    No. It was all a big pıss take.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Guilty as fuck.

    And to think, I almost bought the shampoo she was advertising after she 'won' those medals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    SHE SWAM IN A POOL OF LIES!


    And drugs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Will I get 1545 songs synced to my ipod before I pass out drunk tonight?

    Sorry OP, just asking another unanswerable ceist.:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Watched The Armstrong Lie and realised all the top athletes do/did it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Sid Fletcher


    Her improvement was unbelievable for a 26year old when most swimmers have retired.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭rwg


    Kinda obvious given that she never won anything after that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Saganist wrote: »
    Watched The Armstrong Lie and realised all the top athletes do/did it.

    Was it a lie though?

    Some think Buzz Aldrin was actually the first man on the moon. Others say the whole thing was faked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,386 ✭✭✭secman


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    This has always fascinated me. Did she find some way to hide the drugs/enhancers in Atlanta '96. Was she doped up when she delivered Ireland's biggest medal haul at an Olympic Games? What really happened that night in Killkenny? Is she a decent barrister now?

    Like to believe she won the medals fair and square. Still has them by the way as she passed every test taken. Conspiracy theories might suggest that the last test was deliberately tampered with to try to discredit her .
    ironic if she was a barrister in the case of the prominent journalist facing trial on child sex charges, as he was her fiercest critic here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    She won 3 gold and one bronze medal at a single olympics. A fantastic achievement.

    Yet no one talks or bigs it up. Pretty much everyone thinks she cheated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Her husband was keen on the five finger discount he thought Dunnes were offering. Not averse to a bit of shoplifting. So that might be a clue, or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Was it a lie though?

    Some think Buzz Aldrin was actually the first man on the moon. Others say the whole thing was faked.

    Pretty sure Aldrin was second and it wasn't faked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    FINA submitted evidence from Dr Jordi Segura, head of the IOC-accredited laboratory in Barcelona, which said she took Androstenedione, a metabolic precursor of testosterone, in the previous 10 to 12 hours before being tested. It also became known that two previous samples, taken between November 1997 and March 1998, had also shown traces of Androstenedione. The CAS upheld the ban.She was 28 at the time, and the ban effectively ended her competitive swimming career. Smith was not stripped of her Olympic medals, as only samples subsequent to her Olympic involvement tested positive

    The labs say she tested positive she has always denied using performance enhancing drugs.

    Her boyfriend and coach also received a ban for testing positive. During his suspension, de Bruin gave an interview in which he said: "Who says doping is unethical? Sport is by definition dishonest".

    The quote had damning relevance as his wife sustained a form surge that made most purple patches look like faded lilac.

    But a year after her Olympic success two local drug testers showed up at the de Bruin home in Kells. but could not get past the locked gates.

    Finally, de Bruin let them in but disappeared for five minutes and handed over a urine sample which smelt of whiskey.

    Forensic scientists later testified that had she digested the amount of whiskey needed to produce a sample like that she would have died, but she still owns her Olympic medals because she did not test positive in competition.
    The FINA officials said the sample smelt of whiskey and when it finally reached Barcelona for testing, it was found to have "unequivocal signs of adulteration". As a result Smith was banned for four years. Smith's team argued that her sample had been tampered with but forensic evidence suggested otherwise. CAS withheld the ban and Smith retired from the sport in 1999.

    Tellingly RTE's swimming expert, Gary O'Toole, an ex-swimmer who had become a physician, had more than a slight suspicion that something wasn't quite right but was told by the national broadcaster to keep such thoughts to himself when analysing Smith's victories.

    As he explained to the Chicago Tribune in 2000: "The directive came down that nobody was to discuss drugs and Michelle Smith on national television. In a way for me at the time, it was great. I knew everything about drugs. Everything. I worked with them all through medical school.

    It suited me not to talk about it because if you've got 1.5 million TV sets tuned in to watch someone achieve something, you don't want to be the one to burst the bubble."
    She tested positive 3 times for Androstenedione, including in the famous whiskey sample, but it's not what she was prosecuted for. The tampering charge carried a higher suspension and was procedurally much easier as the test for Andro was brand new at the time. The Andro test was submitted as evidence to support the tampering charge as it gave a clear motive for that.

    Basically she tested positive for Andro but the tampering charge carried a longer ban sentence so that is what they charged her with which allowed her team to spin the whole 'I'm innocent ' thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭Hangballlouie


    of course she was innocent. It is quite normal to piss pure alcohol.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    I'm very much devil's advocate about a lot of stuff (to the point that it annoys people, weirdly) but an unknown swimmer from a country without a strong swimming tradition winning a bunch of Olympic medals... I think there's fair cause for doubting her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    secman wrote: »
    Like to believe she won the medals fair and square. Still has them by the way as she passed every test taken. Conspiracy theories might suggest that the last test was deliberately tampered with to try to discredit her .
    ironic if she was a barrister in the case of the prominent journalist facing trial on child sex charges, as he was her fiercest critic here.

    Don't think Armstrong tested positive either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I'm very much devil's advocate about a lot of stuff (to the point that it annoys people, weirdly) but an unknown swimmer from a country without a strong swimming tradition winning a bunch of Olympic medals... I think there's fair cause for doubting her.

    It's like... Cool Runnings doesn't even exist to you...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    Did she find some way to hide the drugs/enhancers in Atlanta '96......

    ...Is she a decent barrister now?

    I'm sure you'll find out how good she is when you see her in court.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Saganist


    smcgiff wrote: »
    Don't think Armstrong tested positive either.

    He did in 1999.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭clickhere


    I think her medals will always be tainted,she should have rode off in to the sunset after the olympics and made a fortune in endorsements. I will always remember staying up to watch her win her medals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,484 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Grayditch wrote: »
    SHE SWAM IN A POOL OF LIES!


    And drugs.

    Not to mention whiskey.

    And p1ss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Sandwlch


    As Lance says, if everyone is on drugs then it isnt cheating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭amber69


    About as innocent as OJ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Butterface


    This reminds me of when I played underage football and I convinced myself that Lucozade Sport had performance enhancing qualities ha!

    Anyway, I'd say she was guilty but it was probably the husband/coach that persuaded her to do it. Some brass neck on her to go on denying it though!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Others say the whole thing was faked.

    Before we even consider all the hard evidence, hundreds and hundreds of people would have to have kept their mouths shut and the Soviets would have to have been in on it.

    It simply doesn't stand to reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Orlaw3136


    clickhere wrote: »
    I think her medals will always be tainted,she should have rode off in to the sunset after the olympics and made a fortune in endorsements. I will always remember staying up to watch her win her medals.

    No you won't...

    Atlanta is four hours behind us.

    You remember **** all !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Orlaw3136 wrote: »
    No you won't...

    Atlanta is four hours behind us.

    You remember **** all !

    We did actually have to stay up to watch it, in fairness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    What really happened that night in Killkenny?

    Some say she was out on the sauce on a hen party, all we know is that it is one good town for a night out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    If we had to give the horse drugs in Athens I'm sure we had Michelle on drugs. What I would have liked to see was the horse and her swapping sports for the day.

    That horse took the drugs himself.


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