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Is Shatter shattered?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    catallus wrote: »
    It is another sad indictment of our media (and this whole furore is a media-instigated rousing of rabble, promoted by the treasonous Fianna Fail party) that such important issues are used as political weapons. Micheal Martin and all members of the FF party should be banned from television, radio, print media and internet, and indeed the party should be dis-established.

    Banning opposition political parties...how cute..sounds like you're in the Duffyite wing of FG!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoin_O%27Duffy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Banning opposition political parties...how cute..sounds like you're in the Duffyite wing of FG!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoin_O%27Duffy

    Well, when they add nothing to political debate except sniping populist crap like the stuff that the traitourous Martin comes out with, then yeah, they deserve to be dissolved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭TheHappyChappy


    It's the whole 'I'm not actually sure what he has done, but as he's a politician; I want him to resign'. You'd get better political insight in an asylum of gibbering lunatics.

    you lost me @ It's...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    It's the whole 'I'm not actually sure what he has done, but as he's a politician; I want him to resign'. You'd get better political insight in an asylum of gibbering lunatics.

    Hi Alan, how ya doin'?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Could one of the people calling for his head briefly and simply explain to me why they believe he should go?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭TheHappyChappy


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Could one of the people calling for his head briefly and simply explain to me why they believe he should go?

    Can anyone tell me how he can stay?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    He bent the truth a fair few times and then backtracked and said he did not have all the facts, then attacked the whistleblower for taping the conversation which is damning to the Plod, and still defends it allegedly.

    That is why in my allegedly opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭sinjin_smythe


    Hootanany wrote: »
    He bent the truth a fair few times and then backtracked and said he did not have all the facts, then attacked the whistleblower for taping the conversation which is damning to the Plod, and still defends it allegedly.

    That is why in my allegedly opinion.

    Would like to hear MADYAKERS response to this?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    weedhead wrote: »
    Would like to hear MADYAKERS response to this?

    i would!! :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    This Shatter bloke sounds like all of England's politicians


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Hootanany wrote: »
    He bent the truth a fair few times and then backtracked and said he did not have all the facts, then attacked the whistleblower for taping the conversation which is damning to the Plod, and still defends it allegedly.

    That is why in my allegedly opinion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5JHGi0awgc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,263 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I must say I was impressed with Mick Wallace's impassioned speech towards him today in the Dail. Fair fooks to him

    Say what you want about his appearance, or his controversial faux pas' since being elected, but he stands up for his beliefs, and is an ever present in Leinster House. I can see why he top the polls in a constituency traditionally dominated by FF/FG.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    I must say I was impressed with Mick Wallace's impassioned speech towards him today in the Dail. Fair fooks to him

    Say what you want about his appearance, or his controversial faux pas' since being elected, but he stands up for his beliefs, and is an ever present in Leinster House. I can see where he top the polls in a constituency traditional dominated by FF/FG.

    Mick Wallace is Dáil equivalent of a journal.ie comments section. Lots of bluster, but with nothing relevant to say. He's also a massive massive hypocrite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    This stuff about Shatter is a great diversion from the €1,600 will all have to pay every year for basic service in a hospital isn't it?

    That exercises me more than this bluff and bluster TBH. Next week or two and they will all be abroad on their jollies for St Patricks Day. And they will have enjoyed the trip.

    Plus ca change.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Mick Wallace is Dáil equivalent of a journal.ie comments section. Lots of bluster, but with nothing relevant to say. He's also a massive massive hypocrite.

    lots of people in the dail have been proven to be hypocrites and/or corrupt

    does that mean we ignore the ones demanding change and encourage the ones who're only pretending to give a $hit?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    This stuff about Shatter is a great diversion from the €1,600 will all have to pay every year for basic service in a hospital isn't it?

    That exercises me more than this bluff and bluster TBH. Next week or two and they will all be abroad on their jollies for St Patricks Day. And they will have enjoyed the trip.

    Plus ca change.

    meanwhile record numbers have never been more aware of what's going on around them but still not a sign of a single protest to bring an end to all the madness, as if this runaway train is going to stop on it's own!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,820 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    This stuff about Shatter is a great diversion from the €1,600 will all have to pay every year for basic service in a hospital isn't it?

    That exercises me more than this bluff and bluster TBH. Next week or two and they will all be abroad on their jollies for St Patricks Day. And they will have enjoyed the trip.

    Plus ca change.

    Yes, but you are clever enough to see through the diversion. Luckily for me I can also follow more than one story in the news as well. But I suppose everyone else except me and you are just stupid and they will all be taken in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    catallus wrote: »
    Well, when they add nothing to political debate except sniping populist crap like the stuff that the traitourous Martin comes out with, then yeah, they deserve to be dissolved.

    A country where the opposition have no political voice:eek:

    This country may have its flaws. But we're not due to go down the N.K route just yet.

    If we didn't have opposition parties keeping the others in check (even with 'populist blether') we'd be mere puppets/customers of our political masters.

    Sheesh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    I must say I was impressed with Mick Wallace's impassioned speech towards him today in the Dail. Fair fooks to him

    i thought Wallace came across as an ignorant buffoon

    and he was being very suggestive when speaking about his own appearance long hair & jeans...how does he know what Shatter thinks of his appearance


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭COYW


    catallus wrote: »
    It is another sad indictment of our media (and this whole furore is a media-instigated rousing of rabble, promoted by the treasonous Fianna Fail party) that such important issues are used as political weapons.

    That whole debate was a joke, a beautiful smokescreen for FG and Labour. You have Adams claiming to be worried about the protection of the whistleblower. I mean come on, SF concerned about the welfare of the Irish police and whistleblowers, don't make me laugh. You have Mick Wallace screaming (literally) knee-jerk nonsense across the chamber at Shatter. It was a complete embarrassment and one can only sigh when you think that we that taxpayer pay these people €100,000 plus per annum when you take all the extras into account.
    catallus wrote: »
    Micheal Martin and all members of the FF party should be banned from television, radio, print media and internet, and indeed the party should be dis-established.

    Would you like to ban opposition altogether? I have no time for FF but your remarks, treasonous LOL, wreak of the tabloid media and the cheap left wing politics that makes up the rest of the opposition with the exception of FF.

    Shatter will see this episode through and it will all be forgotten about in a week or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    It will all blow over, shure aren't they all off around the world for St Patricks day, and then its the summer holidays until October.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭conorhal


    meanwhile record numbers have never been more aware of what's going on around them but still not a sign of a single protest to bring an end to all the madness, as if this runaway train is going to stop on it's own!!

    I honestly think that people are so punch drunk from the endless revelations, counter spin and wave after wave of institutional ineptitude that it has led to a feeling of paralysis.

    Myself, I had to stop watching things like the news and prime time because it was actually leaving me depressed in a manner I hadn't experienced since the blanket coverage of 9/11. Combine that with the absence of any effective opposition or leadership (oh hell, that absence of even leaders or oppositions that wasn’t complicit in some way) and I think the national psyche could be described as one of clinical depression that can’t motivate itself off the couch.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    conorhal wrote: »
    I honestly think that people are so punch drunk from the endless revelations, counter spin and wave after wave of institutional ineptitude that it has led to a feeling of paralysis.

    Myself, I had to stop watching things like the news and prime time because it was actually leaving me depressed in a manner I hadn't experienced since the blanket coverage of 9/11. Combine that with the absence of any effective opposition or leadership (oh hell, that absence of even leaders or oppositions that wasn’t complicit in some way) and I think the national psyche could be described as one of clinical depression that can’t motivate itself off the couch.

    sure why would any decent opposition or possible leader make the right moves if they think the Irish people don't give a ****, we not only encourage corruption by doing but worse still we leave the brave exposed to be picked off by the corrupt and the endless circle continues


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭COYW


    sure why would any decent opposition or possible leader make the right moves if they think the Irish people don't give a ****, we not only encourage corruption by doing but worse still we leave the brave exposed to be picked off by the corrupt and the endless circle continues

    The majority of the Irish public are not interested in the truth politics and they are still not mature enough to accept it. Shallow, tabloid style politics where the 'goberment' is to blame for all their, self inflicted, woes suits them and that is not going to change for the foreseeable future. Politicians of questionable ethics, who shout and roar at the opposition, as opposed to someone who will provide a well structured argument based on fact, are the choice of the masses when it comes to politicians.

    They also love a good celebrity too. If there was an election tomorrow and the winner of "I'm a celebrity" went up against an academic or businessman with a proven track record, you know that the celebrity would win and the businessperson/academic would be scorned as "elitist" by the majority of the masses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Eoin247


    Shatter is shattered,
    It's the end for Enda
    and Gilmore can take no more,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,841 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Shatter knows too much he could bring the whole thing down

    he knows it,they know it

    and Callinan I fear has a few skeletons which could blow up a crap storm even if it not to be directly with this goverment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭flutered


    catallus wrote: »
    It is another sad indictment of our media (and this whole furore is a media-instigated rousing of rabble, promoted by the treasonous Fianna Fail party) that such important issues are used as political weapons. Micheal Martin and all members of the FF party should be banned from television, radio, print media and internet, and indeed the party should be dis-established.
    is this post for real, the wording of it to me is unusual, in that it come across to me as very left wing, i have not checked the other post by the same poster, but i am wondering, wondering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭flutered


    Eoin247 wrote: »
    Shatter is shattered,
    It's the end for Enda
    and Gilmore can take no more,
    no irish politician has had to resign, (ithink), this will be brazened out, gilmore does not count, he is a professional politician who has reaped financial gain from politics at every oppertunity, and is now very near the ultimate prize, the golden goose is about to lay its egg into his lap, to join the silver ones that he already has collected.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Eoin247 wrote: »
    Shatter is shattered,
    It's the end for Enda
    and Gilmore can take no more,

    It's not. He's actually done a very good job of keeping out of this ****storm as much as possible (from a PR perspective at least)

    He's going to be taoiseach after the next general election too, which I'm happy with

    Hope to god Shatter gets the road though, and Gillmore


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