Peig - Irish legend or scary aul wan?

RahenyD5 · 13-02-2014 07:55PM #1

I'm in my late 20s, I have yet to read her story and didn't have to study her in my leaving cert years ago. I keep seeing and hearing about Peig that she must be a legend for people of 30+ years to keep giving out about her.

Sometimes it is said that you can't be Irish and not know about Peig, the reactions and replies I came across were mostly negative, recoiling with disgust or eyes widened with fear or knowing smirks "Ye wouldn't want to go there, just don't".

There are pics of her on the web with abusive language pasted on, cartoons of her as a witch, funny T-shirts with her face etc. Some people have taken to dressing up as her for Halloween.

Was she really that bad? Was she a murderess? Burnt at the stake? If so then interesting!

This negativity just makes her intriguing and somewhat an enigma so I can't help but be fascinated to start reading her story.

What does anyone think of Peig? Is she worthwhile reading?

Poor Uncle Tom · 13-02-2014 07:57PM

Peig, the roide..........

gugleguy · 13-02-2014 08:02PM

no. Read something about War of Independence / Civil War / Irish Free State finance issue instead. If you really want to, I'm sure you can take a Ferry to the Blaskets but it might not be a good idea right now, with the weather that's in it.:D

MonstaMash · 13-02-2014 08:03PM

Seán Ó Súilleabháin, the former archivist for the Irish Folklore Commission, described her as "one of the greatest woman storytellers of recent times".

She was widely regarded as a seanachaí, so to her father.

RahenyD5 · 13-02-2014 08:10PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

Seán Ó Súilleabháin, the former archivist for the Irish Folklore Commission, described her as "one of the greatest woman storytellers of recent times".

She was widely regarded as a seanachaí, so to her father.

Thanks for the info. As I'm Irish, I feel a bit bad for not knowing much about her as she is the "mother of the Irish language"

I'm interested about why the wide dislike as people I've spoken to were not so positive about her.

GaelMise · 13-02-2014 08:10PM

Peig the Book, or Peig the person.

The book is alright (no where near as bad as a book, as its reputation would suggest)

Peig the person on the other had was supposed to be a bit of craic, a good story teller by all accounts.

MonstaMash · 13-02-2014 08:12PM

RahenyD5 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. As I'm Irish, I feel a bit bad for not knowing much about her as she is the "mother of the Irish language" I'm interested about why the wide dislike as people I've spoken to were not so positive about her.

Funnily enough she was illiterate as gaeilge & only spoke english :eek:

She dictated her biography to Micheál Ó Súilleabháin.

He then sent the manuscript pages to Máire Ní Chinnéide, a Dublin teacher, who edited them for publication.

13-02-2014 08:14PM

She has become a cultural icon of some sort, her book has the best opening lines ever....I am an old woman now with one foot in the grave.

This topic had been done to death on boards the only thing I can remember about the book was that our Irish wasn't up to reading it fluently so you had to translate each sentence as you went and the fact that there seemed to be a terrible fear of the sea and drowning despite the fact that they lived on an island.

Wibbs · 13-02-2014 08:14PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

Seán Ó Súilleabháin, the former archivist for the Irish Folklore Commission, described her as "one of the greatest woman storytellers of recent times".

On one island of the Blaskets maybe and that's a big maybe. I read one gombeen comparing her to greats like Shakespeare and Flaubert. I'll have whatever he's drinking. Or maybe not...

Jesus that book was a chore, in any language. Near cover to cover Atlantic gale misery porn about people with dry stone walled faces full of cracks and damp. Putting it on the Irish language syllabus was as daft a decision as giving Buddy Holly the controls of the plane. "mother of the Irish language"? Going by her books impact on the ill will towards the language by many a student of a few generations, more like the "abortionist of the Irish language".

EDIT An Béal Bocht by O'Nolan would have been a far better bet. far better book.

GaelMise · 13-02-2014 08:15PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

Funnily enough she was illiterate as gaeilge & only spoke english :eek:

Am, No. She definatly spoke Irish, she was illiterate though, her son wrote the book.

Wibbs · 13-02-2014 08:17PM

GaelMise wrote: »

Am, No. She definatly spoke Irish, she was illiterate though, her son wrote the book.

IIRC GM she was somewhat literate in English having had some schooling in it, but illiterate in Irish?

GaelMise · 13-02-2014 08:19PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus that book was a chore, in any language. Near cover to cover Atlantic gale misery porn about people with dry stone walled faces full of cracks and damp. Putting it on the Irish language syllabus was as daft a decision as giving Buddy Holly the controls of the plane. "mother of the Irish language"? Going by her books impact on the ill will towards the language by many a student of a few generations, more like the "abortionist of the Irish language".

The book is not all that bad, the wall to wall misery bit is a myth that blows the reality of the book out of proportion. The first half (Excluding the first page) of it is fairly upbeat even, about her life when she was young and when she went to work in Dingle.

GaelMise · 13-02-2014 08:22PM

Wibbs wrote: »

IIRC GM she was somewhat literate in English having had some schooling in it, but illiterate in Irish?

Its possible, I wont argue with you over it, she did learn English at school, but school did not last too long at the time.

Lu Tze · 13-02-2014 08:23PM

Do yerselves a favour, skip peig an pick up An t-Oileanach instead (also available in English)

MonstaMash · 13-02-2014 08:24PM

GaelMise wrote: »

Am, No. She definatly spoke Irish, she was illiterate though, her son wrote the book.

http://www.wikipedia.or.ke/index.php/Peig_Sayers

Lapin · 13-02-2014 08:26PM

Peig.

The woman who turned generations of Irish people off speaking the Irish language.

catbear · 13-02-2014 08:27PM

It's of interest as an account of living in an extreme environment but beyond that there's little else to recommend it.

It's inclusion in the ciriculum seemed to be for the benefit of peasent folk.

Wibbs · 13-02-2014 08:28PM

GaelMise wrote: »

The book is not all that bad, the wall to wall misery bit is a myth that blows the reality of the book out of proportion. The first half (Excluding the first page) of it is fairly upbeat even, about her life when she was young and when she went to work in Dingle.

Fairly upbeat depending on personal taste, but meandering ever downward with time. You'd not be reading it for laughs that's for sure. Nor for much on human insight either. You'd get more insight into the human condition from reading one page written by a Northern English bloke about an invented Danish prince than you'd get from that entire book. An Béal Bocht on the other hand has some real depth to it and while I'm quite sure some of it gets lost in translation, the main vein remains and I would suspect would in any language. Maybe because Peig is an oral story transcribed, whereas ABB is a book from the outset so the style is what gets in the way? By all accounts she was gangbusters with a story from her own lips.

oldyouth · 13-02-2014 08:29PM

Depressing old bint that made my life a misery

13-02-2014 08:29PM

I think it is interesting to contemplate how despite the circumstance of the poverty they lived in and having almost nothing compared to what we have, people still lived, thrived, and survived, fell in love, had family's and go on fine with life for the most part ( if you ignore the emigration bit

)

MonkeyTennis · 13-02-2014 08:29PM

Just wait for the movie to come out. Megan Fox plays herslef.

In a world, where falling over cliffs was a daily occurence, one woman..

Wibbs · 13-02-2014 08:31PM

Lu Tze wrote: »

Do yerselves a favour, skip peig an pick up An t-Oileanach instead (also available in English)

Yet another better bet.

orangesoda · 13-02-2014 08:32PM

I never heard of her in my 5 years of learning the language, some old kerry storyteller so wikipedia tells me

Monkeybonkers · 13-02-2014 08:38PM

My favourite part was when

one of her husbands/brother was pulling heather right at the very edge of the
cliff. Instead of turning his back towards the land he pulled away with his back
facing the cliff edge. Naturally, he fell to his death when a clump of the
heather came up a bit easier than he expected.

There's something Simpsonesque about the whole scene.

BlaasForRafa · 13-02-2014 08:43PM

Quite possibly the most hated woman amongst a generation of people who were forced to learn the language. I'd rather chop off my foot with a rusty hacksaw than have to suffer that damn book again.

She was such a miserable old cow that I'm not surprised her sons kept throwing themselves off of cliffs.

Donkey Oaty · 13-02-2014 08:50PM

oldyouth wrote: »

Depressing old bint that made my life a misery

Lapin wrote: »

The woman who turned generations of Irish people off speaking the Irish language.

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus that book was a chore, in any language.

All future editions of Peig should have these quotes on the cover.

Donkey Oaty · 13-02-2014 08:51PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Quite possibly the most hated woman amongst a generation of people who were forced to learn the language. I'd rather chop off my foot with a rusty hacksaw than have to suffer that damn book again.

She was such a miserable old cow that I'm not surprised her sons kept throwing themselves off of cliffs.

Especially that one.

LordSutch · 13-02-2014 09:17PM

RahenyD5 wrote: »

What does anyone think of Peig? Is she worthwhile reading?

Personally responsible for the genocide of the Irish language in the modern day! (along with the cumpulsory teaching of the language).

Several generations now despise the Irish langauge, mainly because of that aul blasket island biddy and her black & white ramblings. Dull as dishwater and guaranteed to turn everybody off Irish for life, and that's exactly what happened. Long gone from the curriculum thank God.

PS; No doubt a lovely old lady in real life, but not the best way to sell the Irish language . . .

sinead88 · 13-02-2014 09:37PM

I've always been curious about Peig as well. We did "An Triail" by Máiréad Ní Ghráda in Irish instead. Probably equally depressing really!

RahenyD5 · 25-02-2014 09:24PM

Thanks for all the amusing replies, have to say the "horror stories" people come up with, having studied Peig in school, are entertaining.

Just found out on Wikipedia that the Norse meaning for the Blasket Islands is "brasker", therefore means "dangerous place" - well, it would be with people falling off the cliffs :eek:

WilyCoyote · 25-02-2014 09:34PM

Some years ago in the UK, Irish Gaelic was awarded ethnic status. A London wag effused that "after 800 years of British Imperialism in old Ireland, Irish culture strikes back - by inflicting Peig on the GCSE".

Peig - Irish legend or scary aul wan?

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