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The truth about obesity

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  • #32
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    GenieOz wrote: »
    Ok....?

    I've never met someone who was overweight that thinks it isn't their fault or to do with their diet.
    Most just have a problem admitting they're too lazy to do anything about it or are in denial that they're actually fat.

    Why one gets fat is a diagnosis in itself. Many women accept the bulge after birth as natural [ it is not ] but that's often the start. By whatever means, be that a Chef absorbing proteins through their skin or beer bellies or cake fads, once one has become obese, it then becomes a disease with the associated side diseases, physical and mental illness and low fitness levels.

    One can physically do even more harm to oneself trying not to stay obese as being obese causes.

    Where possible, stopping obseness from starting, like banning exercise in school was s good thing [?] allowing crisps for lunch was good thing [?] and so on.


  • #33
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I think it's great to have obese people because who else would the masses have to spout mindless vitriol and abuse at and get away with it?

    There's nothing like a fat thread to get a handle of a person's true personality.


  • #34
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    kneemos wrote: »
    That a request or a suggestion?

    A request. He needs to butter himself up (with the butter on a stick) so he can squeeze himself out his front door.

    I'm implying that he is a fat bastard. But he probably isn't.


  • #35
    Dermighty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    I would say that it is more important to educate obese people who are obese due to ignorance rather than people who are obese because they couldn't be bothered changing.

    I was obese growing up and lost all the weight by myself without any support. Part of losing those 100lbs/55kg involved educating myself on how the body works with regards to food and exercise. What I learned will last me the rest of my life but some of it was so fundamental that most people that know it already take it for granted.

    There are so many people in the same boat that I was in who don't understand how the body actually functions and what the food they eat contains. Personally it is up to the government to promote education re: diet and exercise, which I believe they do. I feel the majority of the responsibility lies with the parents. If you are too busy or disinterested in feeding your children correctly then you ingrain in them habits which are extremely hard to break, these habits will be passed on to their children and so on.

    TL;DR: I don't care if someone in their twenties or older is obese. I do care if a child is obese because their parents haven't a clue how to feed them properly.


  • #36
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    I think they look gross and also would have a lack of respect for them but would certainly never shout at them or treat them different

    I dont know where to begin


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  • #37
    quad_red
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭quad_red


    scouser82 wrote: »
    I came across this comment on an article found here:

    http://www.diet-blog.com/10/fatorexia_overweight_people_who_deny_they_are_fat.php

    I believe this poster has hit the nail on the head. So many great points which are hard to argue against.

    It's rather sad that a 238lb 5'10" girl didn't realise she had a weight problem. And normalising obesity is neither healthy nor productive.

    Whilst I am not for one second doubting the honesty and integrity of your posting this, as one other poster pointed out, there is a much more forgiving attitude to drinkers and smokers in terms of understanding the difficulties they are facing.

    People's lifestyles are screwed up. People's aren't active enough. People are too sedate at work. Food and beverage companies spending hundreds of millions lobbying Government and creating advertising specifically designed to hide the level of damage the 'food' they create causes. They do everything in their power to obfuscate the facts relating to what's a 'balanced' intake of big macs, soft drinks etc. Numerous studies and documentaries have shown that even food advertising itself as a 'healthy' option comes loaded with insane amounts of sugar, salt, calories etc.

    Many people have very poor skills when it comes to understanding how to live healthily, how to eat properly, what constitutes a healthy meal or a healthy portion.

    None of this absolves their own personal lack of dicipline or self respect in allowing themselves to get overweight. But the problem is that this is a very costly issue that society needs to address. And people smugly noting that it's the fatties own fault achieves nothing.

    My two cents anyway.


  • #38
    Cork selfbuild
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Cork selfbuild


    I used to be overweight, and yes I agree with the OP, it's totally the own persons fault, its a simple math - Calories In Vs Calories required = Result - too much / too little / just right.

    Now where I believe there is a big problem happening - no new news here is as mentioned earlier - the cheap supermarket food - people are eating up to and over 3 times the RDA of sugar / fats without even knowing it or caring about whats in what they eat, and for me the big bug bearer is the cheaper the food the worse it is for you. Its actually more expensive to eat healthily (in general) than poor quality cheap food.

    Another point is lack of education / understanding of food - the amount of obese children is getting frightening, now these growing up into fat teens is not their fault - how is it? They are an output of their parents input, soon we will be like the US... This is the main driver of an obese adult population - there is not enough being don't here to regulate this industry.

    Plus one last point - why do people believe that they are entitled to an opinion on other people? A response I always see to these threads is "Oh the cost to the health system / Exchequer... we are paying for them..." The same can be said for people who smoke / who drink / who do drugs / who are thin and eat bad - cholesterol and diabetes are at near epidemic levels in this country - I was recently visiting someone in a hospital and in the ward was 8 people - 5 were in with Diabetes related illnesses and only 2 of these were overweight. I suppose my point is we can all single out one issue that costs money to the state but there will always be these costs associated to this or that.


  • #39
    Heroditas
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    I think it's great to have obese people because who else would the masses have to spout mindless vitriol and abuse at and get away with it?


    Gingers?


  • #40
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,082 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    I think that its fairly silly to comment on others size when its impossible to live in their shoes. There's so much we dont understand. Some of the healthiest eaters I know have a propensity towards putting on weight very easily while most of those I know who regularly eat take aways, crisps, sugary snacks and fizzy drinks are what would be called scrawny. I remember going out with a girl who used to constantly get abuse from other women for being so very very thin but the girl eat pizza for dinner most days.

    An interesting aspect is appetite. Apparently an unborn child who gets insufficient nutrients will have a propensity towards overeating as an adult and obesity, diabetes etc etc.

    Comparing western countries to Ethiopia doesn't make sense either. Its a lot easier to stay trim when the only food available is healthy and unprocessed and you walk everywhere as you don't have a car.
    It's even more interesting than that.

    The amount of food your grandfather ate between the ages of 8 and 14 can possibly have an effect on your propensity to gain weight.

    Epigenetics plays a role in the 'constitution' of our body. Some people just have a better constitution than others. (better as in better adapted to our current situation)

    The diet your grandfather had when he was going through puberty affected the the development of his reproductive system and this in turn affected the composition of his sperm and in the gene expression of future generations (note, the genes themselves are not altered, but epigenetics refers to how these genes are expressed, ie: which genes are active and which are inactive)

    Researchers have shown that gene expression can be affected for up to 3 generations (in animal studies)

    If your grandfather was over fed during this period of development, then he will pass on a genetic propensity to metabolic disorders to his offspring who can carry this forward at least another generation

    Studies have shown that the children and grandchildren of people who experienced famine during puberty have a lower instance of obesity. In animal studies, the offspring of animals who were overfed have a higher instance of obesity even if they do not over-eat.


    http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes#.Uwxcv-OUbUY

    There are other studies that show that underweight babies are more prone to metabolic disorders in later life. It seems that the optimum outcome for better intergenerational health could be to starve your kids between the ages of 8 and 14 and then over eat during pregnancy

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  • #41
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,082 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    LurkerNo1 wrote: »
    You are simply eating enough calories to sustain your weight plain and simple. Just because your eating a certain type of food means nothing it's down to calorie intake at the end of the day. Having said that good luck with your cholesterol with that type of diet.
    Its not that simple

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  • #42
    Wibbs
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    The "thin" metabolism clearly exists. Unless less people eat the exact same amount every year they would put on weight at some stage. This isn't an excuse to get fat though.
    Apparently not. In studies of under, average and overweight people, metabolism is not in the game. Appetite and perception is. IE some people have lower appetites than others and underweight people overestimate the amount of food they eat and overweight people underestimate the amount.

    In my own personal experience such as it is I'd go along with the above. Every single skinny person I know eats less than average(and/or moves more) and every fat person I know eats more. EG two women I knew back in the day. They shared a gaff and one was heavy and one was very slim. The heavy one was always saying oh look at her she can eat what she likes and stays skinny almost as an excuse mantra. The skinny one would agree with this as a source of pride. However I lived with the skinny one and she had a small appetite and was very cheap to run on food bills. The fat one only saw her eat an evening meal and it was a decent enough size. However what both ignored was the fact the skinny one's idea of breakfast was a coffee and she rarely ate lunch and she walked/cycled to work, while the other woman drove everywhere.
    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Many women accept the bulge after birth as natural [ it is not ] but that's often the start.
    Actually a couple of studies have shown a genetic/hormonal component to post pregnancy weight gain. You see similar in weight gain for some women on hormonal contraceptive. A higher propensity to store fat and increased appetite.

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  • #43
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Akrasia wrote: »
    It's even more interesting than that.

    The amount of food your grandfather ate between the ages of 8 and 14 can possibly have an effect on your propensity to gain weight.

    Epigenetics plays a role in the 'constitution' of our body. Some people just have a better constitution than others. (better as in better adapted to our current situation)

    The diet your grandfather had when he was going through puberty affected the the development of his reproductive system and this in turn affected the composition of his sperm and in the gene expression of future generations (note, the genes themselves are not altered, but epigenetics refers to how these genes are expressed, ie: which genes are active and which are inactive)

    Researchers have shown that gene expression can be affected for up to 3 generations (in animal studies)

    If your grandfather was over fed during this period of development, then he will pass on a genetic propensity to metabolic disorders to his offspring who can carry this forward at least another generation

    Studies have shown that the children and grandchildren of people who experienced famine during puberty have a lower instance of obesity. In animal studies, the offspring of animals who were overfed have a higher instance of obesity even if they do not over-eat.


    http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes#.Uwxcv-OUbUY

    There are other studies that show that underweight babies are more prone to metabolic disorders in later life. It seems that the optimum outcome for better intergenerational health could be to starve your kids between the ages of 8 and 14 and then over eat during pregnancy

    Hard for this theory to explain the working classes being fatter than the rich, a clear reversal of 2-3 generations ago.


  • #44
    blacklilly
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    it's not my concern if you never have any weight related health problems, but that's unlikely so it becomes everyone's concern if we have to pointlessly waste taxpayer monies on treatments that would otherwise not be required.

    Obesity is one of the biggest social issues of this generation and the cost of it to societies is HUGE.

    I take it you read the post in full? You will remember then that the poster mentioned that he/she has issues with anxiety and described a vicious circle of eating out of boredom due to anxiety issues. Therefore I ask you these questions.....Is it your business that some people with mental health issues "cost the tax payer money" ? Is it your business if an alcoholic costs the tax payer money? Is it your business if a lung cancer patient costs the tax payer money? Is it your business if a patient suffering from anorexia costs the tax payer money? Is it your business if someone who's lead a reasonably healthy life becomes riddled with cancer and costs the tax payer money?
    You see really its no one business, some people have problems that they are unable to control and just because an obese persons issues are so visible for everyone to see does not give you or anyone else license to judge or ridicule them.
    Heck I see alcoholics every day where I live, my tax money is funding their lifestyle and medical care, do I care? I wouldn't want to walk 2 minutes in their shoes and if my tax goes towards trying to help them, then I'm absolutely fine with it.
    Unfortunately for people of the same mind frame as you, you will always see your money being wasted due to others inability to control certain habits. How wonderful it must be to view the human condition so simply.


  • #45
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭deandean


    Think this thread is starting a new classification of people, "the obesophobe".


  • #46
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    deandean wrote: »
    Think this thread is starting a new classification of people, "the obesophobe".

    Indeed. I'm afraid of being sat on by an obese person.


  • #47
    Wibbs
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    There are other studies that show that underweight babies are more prone to metabolic disorders in later life. It seems that the optimum outcome for better intergenerational health could be to starve your kids between the ages of 8 and 14 and then over eat during pregnancy
    Hmmm that's interesting. My family are all skinny feckers, but when you look at old photos of us as babies, we're effin huge. Like swapped at the hospital by mistake out of place butterball babies. It's a running joke in the family.

    I've read breastfeeding has an impact too. Breastfed kids are less likely to be fat as adults. Again in a personal non scientific way, I know a guy whose siblings were all breastfed but he wasn't for some reason. They're all thin, he's struggled with weight from puberty on.

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  • #48
    Caliden
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    BUT, Here's where I get confused:

    What the fcuk does it have to do with you? Or anyone else? :confused:

    It's my concern and no one else's. I'll lose the weight some day (or hopefully die in the process). My weight is of no inconvenience to anyone else.

    Why put off tomorrow what can be done today?

    If you don't you'll end up costing the taxpayer to keep you alive while you have another stint put in or another bypass.

    You have a condition that's completely preventable if you just get on with it.

    If I saw you in the gym I wouldn't bat an eye lid and would commend you for your effort (silently of course, otherwise it could be construed as patronising).

    You don't even need to go the gym, operation transformation on tv is a great idea. Exercises in the comfort of your own home, go for a 30 minute walk/jog and measure/weigh yourself. As soon as you see a difference you'll be addicted and you will thank yourself for it.


  • #49
    greenbicycle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭greenbicycle


    One lesson that I have learned in the last few years is to be very careful when judging someone when it comes to weight.

    I was just a normal sized person 5ft6 and around 12stone.

    Then I got sick and was put on medication for about two years, one side effect of this medication was a loss of appetite so i was eating far less then I had before, you would expect me to be losing weight because of this.

    Unfortunately I was also put on large doses of steroids, this caused me to balloon up, literally. I was almost 18 stone. I had a huge round face, massive double chin and my body felt like it was wrapped in a very thick layer of fat. Still had skinny arms and legs though!

    I was incredibly self conscious, I hated going out, I didn't go out for dinner or lunch for two years, the thoughts of people watching me eat (which was a struggle in itself due to the loss of appetite) was horrific. I was constantly terrified of bumping into people who hadn't seen me in a long while because of what they might think (that i had "let myself go" and was constantly eating crap and lazy). food shopping was horrible because I felt like people were peering into my trolley trying to see what food i was buying because surely it must have been all junk food.

    I couldn't go into my favourite clothes shops because the clothes didn't fit me anymore and if i did go in shop assistants were probably looking at me wondering what a fat person was doing in their shop when I wouldst be able to buy anything.

    all of these are not even just me being self concious, the looks and stares really were happening and you could see the look of disgust on some peoples faces. the examples are endless.

    I am now off most of my drugs and have finally deflated back to a more "acceptable" size, just covered in stretch marks :-(. the biggest mark that this left on me though is that I have no idea what has made any person fat, I don't know what is going on in their lives and I am much more open minded and less judgmental. it could be drugs, they could be sick, they could have mental health issues or be unable to exercise due to a disability that isnt obvious to an average person.

    so, don't be cruel and laugh at fat people, or stare at them and make them feel uncomfortable. it is simply not a nice thing to do.


  • #50
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    deandean wrote: »
    Think this thread is starting a new classification of people, "the obesophobe".

    I'd have genuine sympathy for overweight people,it can easily get out of hand particularly if you were raised on a poor diet.
    I could lose ten kilos myself but making excuses to justify it I don't imagine will work.

    Mental health issues are a whole different kettle of fish.


  • #51
    Duck Soup
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    Here's a thing. Nearly 1 in 3 of all A&E admissions are alcohol-related.

    Another thing. Smoking will kill 1 in 2 of all smokers.

    Between the two, the cost to the Irish health service runs into billions and billions of euro annually.

    And yet we never have a "Truth about alcohol" or a "Truth about smoking" thread where non-smokers and non-drinkers berate the boozy and nicotine-stained.

    I can't figure out whether abusing fat people is the last acceptable prejudice or Irish people have a blind spot the size of a fat person's arse when it comes to their own vices.

    I can't remember the last time a fat person, high on kebab and fries, kicked someone to death on a Dublin street. But it must happen, because apparently the drinkers and smokers have the moral high ground over them.


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  • #52
    Czarcasm
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    Duck Soup wrote: »
    Here's a thing. Nearly 1 in 3 of all A&E admissions are alcohol-related.

    Another thing. Smoking will kill 1 in 2 of all smokers.

    Between the two, the cost to the Irish health service runs into billions and billions of euro annually.

    And yet we never have a "Truth about alcohol" or a "Truth about smoking" thread where non-smokers and non-drinkers berate the boozy and nicotine-stained.

    I can't figure out whether abusing fat people is the last acceptable prejudice or Irish people have a blind spot the size of a fat person's arse when it comes to their own vices.

    I can't remember the last time a fat person, high on kebab and fries, kicked someone to death on a Dublin street. But it must happen, because apparently the drinkers and smokers have the moral high ground over them.


    Are you being serious? :pac:


  • #53
    Duck Soup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭Duck Soup


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Are you being serious? :pac:

    When was the last one?


  • #54
    FollatonWood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭FollatonWood


    greenbicycle wrote: »
    One lesson that I have learned in the last few years is to be very careful when judging someone when it comes to weight.

    I was just a normal sized person 5ft6 and around 12stone.

    Then I got sick and was put on medication for about two years, one side effect of this medication was a loss of appetite so i was eating far less then I had before, you would expect me to be losing weight because of this.

    Unfortunately I was also put on large doses of steroids, this caused me to balloon up, literally. I was almost 18 stone. I had a huge round face, massive double chin and my body felt like it was wrapped in a very thick layer of fat. Still had skinny arms and legs though!

    I was incredibly self conscious, I hated going out, I didn't go out for dinner or lunch for two years, the thoughts of people watching me eat (which was a struggle in itself due to the loss of appetite) was horrific. I was constantly terrified of bumping into people who hadn't seen me in a long while because of what they might think (that i had "let myself go" and was constantly eating crap and lazy). food shopping was horrible because I felt like people were peering into my trolley trying to see what food i was buying because surely it must have been all junk food.

    I couldn't go into my favourite clothes shops because the clothes didn't fit me anymore and if i did go in shop assistants were probably looking at me wondering what a fat person was doing in their shop when I wouldst be able to buy anything.

    all of these are not even just me being self concious, the looks and stares really were happening and you could see the look of disgust on some peoples faces. the examples are endless.

    I am now off most of my drugs and have finally deflated back to a more "acceptable" size, just covered in stretch marks :-(. the biggest mark that this left on me though is that I have no idea what has made any person fat, I don't know what is going on in their lives and I am much more open minded and less judgmental. it could be drugs, they could be sick, they could have mental health issues or be unable to exercise due to a disability that isnt obvious to an average person.

    so, don't be cruel and laugh at fat people, or stare at them and make them feel uncomfortable. it is simply not a nice thing to do.

    100% this.


  • #55
    burnhardlanger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 218 ✭✭burnhardlanger


    People are in general quicker to point out that you look like an extra from Schindler's List than point out that you're so big you should have your own TD.

    It's acceptable to kindly tell someone to "have a Big Mac willya!!", but tell someone they're putting on a few pounds/chins, then there's bloody war.


  • #56
    Czarcasm
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    Duck Soup wrote: »
    When was the last one?


    Three days ago -

    When do you have your first ciggie of the day?

    Loads of 'em DH, just in AH alone! I did a quick search.


  • #57
    Foxhound38
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd be fairly big at 18+ stone. Too big, actually, and I'm not exactly fond of my body.

    However (and I'm sure I'll be called everything under the sun, this being AH and all :rolleyes: ) it's a bit of a double edged sword.

    I am bored a lot (and eat due to it). When I'm bored I'll just eat endlessly as something to do to pass the time. Sounds a bit odd, I know, but gives you something to do.

    I'd like to go to the gym, play a sport, etc. but I'd be in terrible shape and i'd be far too anxious (have tried in the past, and failed, multiple times). I'm far, far too self-conscious.

    So instead of doing these things, I stay home... and eat more.


    I'm well aware I'm overweight. Earlier in my life I was crippled with depression and social anxiety disorder (which still has effects on me, obviously). I have literally no social life as I've lost touch with all of my friends (and anytime I get invited anywhere I generally tend to opt-out, as I fear my weight will cause me issue or embarrassment somewhere along the way).

    So instead of going out for a laugh or heading to the cinema or bowling to kill an hour.. I stay home.. and eat.


    It's an incredibly vicious cycle and I never feel good about it. Literally sucks your will to live out of you, and I have no motivation or enthusiasm for everyday tasks.


    Being noticeably overweight is a mental issue as much as it is a physical one.




    BUT, Here's where I get confused:

    What the fcuk does it have to do with you? Or anyone else? :confused:

    It's my concern and no one else's. I'll lose the weight some day (or hopefully die in the process). My weight is of no inconvenience to anyone else.

    I'm forever hearing about how overweight people are clogging up the health system, etc. and I sometimes think, hey, you know what, that's a fair point.

    But then I realise that almost any overweight person I know is never at their GP or in hospital - and if they are, it's usually nothing to do with their weight.

    But the A+E department is usually full of idiots who've been hurt because they couldn't handle their drink. But yet, I don't sit around exclaiming negative opinions about people who drink alcohol.

    As an overweight teen, I've literally had people roar and shout incredibly hurtful things at me from across the road. Even as an adult I still get it (though not as obnoxiously). But yet I've never felt the urge to tell a smoker they smell or roar at someone having a pint that they're what's wrong with the world.


    What's more, is this whole thing of people thinking that overweight people don't actually realise that they're overweight. I'm actually well aware of it (as shocking as that may sound). Do you think black people realise that they're.. you know.. black?

    And the blonde girl walking down the street.. reckon she's aware that she's blonde? Maybe we should try and say it to her, that we've noticed she's getting more blonde lately. She might not see herself in a mirror every single day of the year, so we'd better let her know that we noticed.


    Actually, what we should do, is mind our own fucking business and take care of our own problems and let everyone else do the same!


    I find it amazing how it's so socially acceptable to be intentionally and overly cruel to people due solely to their weight.

    If I went around abusing people for any other physical feature I'd be No. 1 Enemy on boards. But if I use a load of derogatory terms for overweight people, all I'll do is rack up a load of 'thanks' from the people at the bottom of the barrel.


    But, that's just me and my opinion. :)

    As someone who struggled (and in some ways is still struggling - less so these days thankfully) wit his weight, you hit the nail on the head there!


  • #58
    blacklilly
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    burnhardlanger wrote: »
    People are in general quicker to point out that you look like an extra from Schindler's List than point out that you're so big you should have your own TD.

    It's acceptable to kindly tell someone to "have a Big Mac willya!!", but tell someone they're putting on a few pounds/chins, then there's bloody war.

    I don't think its acceptable to comment upon anyones' appearance. Also I would suggest that if you hear a friend comment upon someone's weight that you call them out on it. I've done it numerous of times.


  • #59
    Cee-Jay-Cee
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    I agree totally with the comments made on the OPs first post. I work with a few people that are morbidly obese and blame everything and everyone for their weight yet I watch them gorge on junk food several times everyday...if you want to lose weight then 3 jumbo sausage rolls with half a bottle of ketchup doused on them is not the way to do it!


  • #60
    mad muffin
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    carzony wrote: »
    I kinda believe in the fast metabilism thingy. I only eat fast food, don't excersize and never had any intrest in sports and yet i'm only 11 stone. 21 years of age and i'm just over 6ft..

    Don't know how i'm so skinny considering..

    My point is everyone has different circumstances.

    Wait till you hit 30 and then come back when your 35 ;)


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    Bacchus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd be fairly big at 18+ stone. Too big, actually, and I'm not exactly fond of my body.

    .... <snip> ....


    BUT, Here's where I get confused:

    What the fcuk does it have to do with you? Or anyone else? :confused:

    It's my concern and no one else's. I'll lose the weight some day (or hopefully die in the process). My weight is of no inconvenience to anyone else.

    I'm forever hearing about how overweight people are clogging up the health system, etc. and I sometimes think, hey, you know what, that's a fair point.

    But then I realise that almost any overweight person I know is never at their GP or in hospital - and if they are, it's usually nothing to do with their weight.

    But the A+E department is usually full of idiots who've been hurt because they couldn't handle their drink. But yet, I don't sit around exclaiming negative opinions about people who drink alcohol.

    As an overweight teen, I've literally had people roar and shout incredibly hurtful things at me from across the road. Even as an adult I still get it (though not as obnoxiously). But yet I've never felt the urge to tell a smoker they smell or roar at someone having a pint that they're what's wrong with the world.


    What's more, is this whole thing of people thinking that overweight people don't actually realise that they're overweight. I'm actually well aware of it (as shocking as that may sound). Do you think black people realise that they're.. you know.. black?

    And the blonde girl walking down the street.. reckon she's aware that she's blonde? Maybe we should try and say it to her, that we've noticed she's getting more blonde lately. She might not see herself in a mirror every single day of the year, so we'd better let her know that we noticed.


    Actually, what we should do, is mind our own fucking business and take care of our own problems and let everyone else do the same!


    I find it amazing how it's so socially acceptable to be intentionally and overly cruel to people due solely to their weight.

    If I went around abusing people for any other physical feature I'd be No. 1 Enemy on boards. But if I use a load of derogatory terms for overweight people, all I'll do is rack up a load of 'thanks' from the people at the bottom of the barrel.


    But, that's just me and my opinion. :)

    I feel quite sorry for you and wish you the best in the future with regards to improving your health but I'd just like to take issue with you on on the bit I highlighted...

    What has it got to do with anyone else? People who are overweight or obese are a burden on our health system that we all share and taxpayers fund. It is a national and global issue and people will debate it. It's a serious problem facing the world (particularly the "western world") and attitudes need to change to reverse the tide, we shouldn't be embracing "fat" as the new norm.

    I'd also like to take issue with what you say about people you know who visit hospital. You say it's not because they are fat? How can you say that? Are you their doctor? If someone goes in because of a hearth condition, liver problems, cancer, diabetes etc. and they are overweight, would you link their weight problems to their medical condition? I suspect you don't.

    I'm sorry that people have been cruel to you in the past due to your weight, you clearly feel quite strongly about that but this is a major problem that will only get worse if we all ignore it as you suggest we do.


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