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The truth about obesity

  • 25-02-2014 04:33AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭scouser82


    I came across this comment on an article found here:

    http://www.diet-blog.com/10/fatorexia_overweight_people_who_deny_they_are_fat.php
    Oh give up this “fat-people-are-victims” agenda. Humans are the only species that suffer from this “overweight” isssue (with the exception of domestic pets who are under the control of their owners). It is completely unnatural to be overweight. For the entire span of the human species, we have not been seriously epidemically obese other than in the past fifty to a hundred years. Stop blaming “genes” and “metabolisms”. Its been long debunked that fat people are at the mercy of “slow” metabolisms. Fat people have FASTER metabolisms because they are forced to digest a much larger amount of food and work much harder than that of a slimmer person. And these “fat genes” – why do they only exist in north america and western Europe and seem to be curiously missing in places like ethiopia and calcutta. This first-world-over-eating-idle-generation, gaining ridiculous amounts of weight, and then trying to demand and dictate the opinion of the rest of the population by crying that other people have to see them as “beautiful”, is ridiculous. Fat people are not victims. Their situation is 100% the result of their own choices and actions. That’s why no one buys the cry of sympathy you all insist you are entitled to. There are people out there with real problems and real diseases and real disabilities, and they are victims. These people have no control over what happens to them. It is physically and biologically IMPOSSIBLE to reduce caloric intake below caloric output and NOT lose weight. Don’t confuse not wanting to do something with not being able to do something.

    I believe this poster has hit the nail on the head. So many great points which are hard to argue against.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Just posting here so I can find this thread tomorrow and read the 5hitstorm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Obviously.

    Obesity is not a disease.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    Ok....?

    I've never met someone who was overweight that thinks it isn't their fault or to do with their diet.
    Most just have a problem admitting they're too lazy to do anything about it or are in denial that they're actually fat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    It's been a while since there was a fat thread. Prepare to have everyone agree with you!

    And also some disagree with you just to prove me wrong.











    Coverin' all my bases, and stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭MS.ing


    *follows*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭chuckyarelaw


    So's your face


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭MS.ing


    So's your face

    in my pants?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭carzony


    I kinda believe in the fast metabilism thingy. I only eat fast food, don't excersize and never had any intrest in sports and yet i'm only 11 stone. 21 years of age and i'm just over 6ft..

    Don't know how i'm so skinny considering..

    My point is everyone has different circumstances.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    carzony wrote: »
    I kinda believe in the fast metabilism thingy. I only eat fast food, don't excersize and never had any intrest in sports and yet i'm only 11 stone. 21 years of age and i'm just over 6ft..

    Don't know how i'm so skinny considering..

    My point is everyone has different circumstances.
    Yes but how much of the fast food do you eat?
    Also your arteries and that are probably clogged to crap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    carzony wrote: »
    I kinda believe in the fast metabilism thingy. I only eat fast food, don't excersize and never had any intrest in sports and yet i'm only 11 stone. 21 years of age and i'm just over 6ft..

    Don't know how i'm so skinny considering..

    My point is everyone has different circumstances.

    Fast food gives you a fast metabolism.


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  • Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd be fairly big at 18+ stone. Too big, actually, and I'm not exactly fond of my body.

    However (and I'm sure I'll be called everything under the sun, this being AH and all :rolleyes: ) it's a bit of a double edged sword.

    I am bored a lot (and eat due to it). When I'm bored I'll just eat endlessly as something to do to pass the time. Sounds a bit odd, I know, but gives you something to do.

    I'd like to go to the gym, play a sport, etc. but I'd be in terrible shape and i'd be far too anxious (have tried in the past, and failed, multiple times). I'm far, far too self-conscious.

    So instead of doing these things, I stay home... and eat more.


    I'm well aware I'm overweight. Earlier in my life I was crippled with depression and social anxiety disorder (which still has effects on me, obviously). I have literally no social life as I've lost touch with all of my friends (and anytime I get invited anywhere I generally tend to opt-out, as I fear my weight will cause me issue or embarrassment somewhere along the way).

    So instead of going out for a laugh or heading to the cinema or bowling to kill an hour.. I stay home.. and eat.


    It's an incredibly vicious cycle and I never feel good about it. Literally sucks your will to live out of you, and I have no motivation or enthusiasm for everyday tasks.


    Being noticeably overweight is a mental issue as much as it is a physical one.




    BUT, Here's where I get confused:

    What the fcuk does it have to do with you? Or anyone else? :confused:

    It's my concern and no one else's. I'll lose the weight some day (or hopefully die in the process). My weight is of no inconvenience to anyone else.

    I'm forever hearing about how overweight people are clogging up the health system, etc. and I sometimes think, hey, you know what, that's a fair point.

    But then I realise that almost any overweight person I know is never at their GP or in hospital - and if they are, it's usually nothing to do with their weight.

    But the A+E department is usually full of idiots who've been hurt because they couldn't handle their drink. But yet, I don't sit around exclaiming negative opinions about people who drink alcohol.

    As an overweight teen, I've literally had people roar and shout incredibly hurtful things at me from across the road. Even as an adult I still get it (though not as obnoxiously). But yet I've never felt the urge to tell a smoker they smell or roar at someone having a pint that they're what's wrong with the world.


    What's more, is this whole thing of people thinking that overweight people don't actually realise that they're overweight. I'm actually well aware of it (as shocking as that may sound). Do you think black people realise that they're.. you know.. black?

    And the blonde girl walking down the street.. reckon she's aware that she's blonde? Maybe we should try and say it to her, that we've noticed she's getting more blonde lately. She might not see herself in a mirror every single day of the year, so we'd better let her know that we noticed.


    Actually, what we should do, is mind our own fucking business and take care of our own problems and let everyone else do the same!


    I find it amazing how it's so socially acceptable to be intentionally and overly cruel to people due solely to their weight.

    If I went around abusing people for any other physical feature I'd be No. 1 Enemy on boards. But if I use a load of derogatory terms for overweight people, all I'll do is rack up a load of 'thanks' from the people at the bottom of the barrel.


    But, that's just me and my opinion. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    I think in the 17th or 18th century being obese was considered beautiful.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Just drink Diet Coke with your chips and you'll be grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    I think that its fairly silly to comment on others size when its impossible to live in their shoes. There's so much we dont understand. Some of the healthiest eaters I know have a propensity towards putting on weight very easily while most of those I know who regularly eat take aways, crisps, sugary snacks and fizzy drinks are what would be called scrawny. I remember going out with a girl who used to constantly get abuse from other women for being so very very thin but the girl eat pizza for dinner most days.

    An interesting aspect is appetite. Apparently an unborn child who gets insufficient nutrients will have a propensity towards overeating as an adult and obesity, diabetes etc etc.

    Comparing western countries to Ethiopia doesn't make sense either. Its a lot easier to stay trim when the only food available is healthy and unprocessed and you walk everywhere as you don't have a car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    But, that's just me and my opinion. :)


    Well said KKV, but, unfortunately you may as well have been pissing into the wind for all the minds your post will change.

    The thing is though, you see what being fat has done to you, and I wouldn't want anyone to feel that way. Being blonde or being black is something a person cannot change. So there is no comparison to that and being fat. Drunken idiocy is not socially acceptable either, and neither should allowing oneself to become overweight. You see what it does to your mentality, why would you wish that on anyone else?

    I don't go around slagging off fat people, but I do genuinely care about people who mean something to me. I care about their happiness as well as their mental health, and if their mental health is being affected by their physical health or their physical appearance, then that is a cause for concern, not scorn, and it's best you try not to confuse the two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭LurkerNo1


    carzony wrote: »
    I kinda believe in the fast metabilism thingy. I only eat fast food, don't excersize and never had any intrest in sports and yet i'm only 11 stone. 21 years of age and i'm just over 6ft..

    Don't know how i'm so skinny considering..

    My point is everyone has different circumstances.

    You are simply eating enough calories to sustain your weight plain and simple. Just because your eating a certain type of food means nothing it's down to calorie intake at the end of the day. Having said that good luck with your cholesterol with that type of diet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    The OP is fattist.



    Leaves door ajar..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Pass the butter.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    BUT, Here's where I get confused:

    What the fcuk does it have to do with you? Or anyone else? :confused:
    It's my concern and no one else's.
    it's not my concern if you never have any weight related health problems, but that's unlikely so it becomes everyone's concern if we have to pointlessly waste taxpayer monies on treatments that would otherwise not be required.

    Obesity is one of the biggest social issues of this generation and the cost of it to societies is HUGE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Senna wrote: »
    Pass the butter.....

    That a request or a suggestion?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,886 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Being noticeably overweight is a mental issue as much as it is a physical one.

    But how many people get referred to appropriate mental health professionals? This is an issue that really needs to be addressed in primary care.



    Many of the medications prescribed for psychiatric conditions (anti-psychotics) have the side effect of increasing appetite, and so people who already have a lot of problems get obesity added on to their list of problems.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Isn't one of the biggest factors the likes of KFC, Iceland and other cheap/fast food places being predominantly in lower wealth areas?

    Have you seen the deals in Iceland(don't know the Irish equivalent)? Two packs of breaded chicken breast for £2. Sure throw in two kilos of chips for a quid. Max it out with some Swede that's heavily salted. That's a few dinners less than a fiver and a calorie count that's through the roof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    I am bored a lot (and eat due to it). When I'm bored I'll just eat endlessly as something to do to pass the time. Sounds a bit odd, I know, but gives you something to do.

    I'd like to go to the gym, play a sport, etc. but I'd be in terrible shape and i'd be far too anxious (have tried in the past, and failed, multiple times). I'm far, far too self-conscious.

    So instead of doing these things, I stay home... and eat more.

    I know you didn't post looking for advice but you sound a bit unhappy so I'm going to make a suggestion. Have you thought about taking up a craft that you can do at home, something like knitting. I know it may sound a bit boring but it's really quite stimulating once you get into it and it's impossible to stuff your face while you are doing it. I know knitting sounds like a bizarre way to lose weight but while doing it, you won't be bored and will find it physically difficult to snack. There are some lovely online communities, including the one here, that you could share your progress with, and there are lots of actual craft groups about, so you could even use it as a social outlet where nobody would give a damn about your size, so you wouldn't have to feel self-concious. And even if you didn't lose weight you'd have a nice new scarf/hat/jumper out of it.

    Sorry for sticking my oar in where you didn't ask for it but it's a technique I found really helpful in cutting back on boredom eating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    The "thin" metabolism clearly exists. Unless less people eat the exact same amount every year they would put on weight at some stage. This isn't an excuse to get fat though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Honestly I couldn't care less whether someone is too fat or not. Unless it's my gf or family it's nothing to do with me. I don't have to look at them if I don't want to and no fat person has ever been in my face making demands to be called beautiful. So who cares?


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kowloon wrote: »
    Just posting here so I can find this thread tomorrow and read the 5hitstorm.

    I though I was the only one who did that:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    Fat people don't burn more calories because they eat more, they burn more because their heart needs to work more to do everything including breathing.

    But KKV makes a good point, what difference does it make to anybody, unless you're concerned about a loved one. I find myself thinking whatever about fat people because I think they look gross and also would have a lack of respect for them but would certainly never shout at them or treat them different


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    circadian wrote: »
    Isn't one of the biggest factors the likes of KFC, Iceland and other cheap/fast food places being predominantly in lower wealth areas?

    Have you seen the deals in Iceland(don't know the Irish equivalent)? Two packs of breaded chicken breast for £2. Sure throw in two kilos of chips for a quid. Max it out with some Swede that's heavily salted. That's a few dinners less than a fiver and a calorie count that's through the roof.

    I got...
    Two punnets of pears
    A punnet of Blueberries
    Two large tups of yogurt
    Two bananas
    for €4.30 yesterday in Aldi.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    kneemos wrote: »
    Fast food gives you a fast metabolism.

    Case in point, I found that BK burgers (whopper and angus burger) gave me the trots.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    It's always great when you discover "the truth", isn't it? That aura of superiority you enjoy, when you know you have one up over the rest of the world ... better than sex, isn't it? :pac:

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



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