Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

melissak · 24-02-2014 06:49PM

robindch wrote: »

Peer review is carried out by people who have topic-specific knowledge and years of experience.

No editor is going to send out a paper on lunar geology to review to somebody who thinks the moon is made of green cheese.

That, unfortunately, is the level of silliness of the anti-fluoride lobbyists.

To be fair there are plenty of actual scientists that are not proflouride and working for the government of a country that flouridates, who don't think that the moon is made of green cheese, that could impartially review something. Again I apologise for not knowing what a peer review was.

renegademaster · 24-02-2014 06:50PM

people should be allowed opt-in to flouridation of their water supply

is that too much to ask?

Muise... · 24-02-2014 06:53PM

melissak wrote: »

To be fair there are plenty of actual scientists that are not proflouride and working for the government of a country that flouridates, who don't think that the moon is made of green cheese, that could impartially review something. Again I apologise for not knowing what a peer review was.

It's not about pro- or anti- or policies in country of origin. That would just be a pub debate. It is about ascertaining the best, most accurate information through an objective process.

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:01PM

Muise... wrote: »

It's not about pro- or anti- or policies in country of origin. That would just be a pub debate. It is about ascertaining the best, most accurate information through an objective process.

Again. Sorry I did not know what a peer review was. I was responding to a a comment asking whether I think science should be reviewed by people who think the moon is made of cheese

24-02-2014 07:02PM

renegademaster wrote: »

people should be allowed opt-in to flouridation of their water supply

is that too much to ask?

Could you explain the logistics of tailoring the water supply to each individual house?

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:05PM

melissak wrote: »

Again. Sorry I did not know what a peer review was. I was responding to a a comment asking whether I think science should be reviewed by people who think the moon is made of cheese

Anyway the peer review I was talking about was not reviewing the government's scientist. It was him reviewing someone elses paper, does only one person review a paper

24-02-2014 07:06PM

melissak wrote: »

Again. Sorry I did not know what a peer review was. I was responding to a a comment asking whether I think science should be reviewed by people who think the moon is made of cheese

Does it not bother you that Waugh and the girl against fluoride consistently misrepresent scientific data?

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:06PM

jh79 wrote: »

Could you explain the logistics of tailoring the water supply to each individual house?

Flouride drops for those who want them. Logistically easier than water meters I'd hazard a guess

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:09PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So the government shouldn't make checks on anything they do? Just assume it's all going swimmingly? Or maybe just advertise for impartial souls willing to work for free?

I didn't say anything of the sort. I said maybe this fact implies that he is not impartial in his views

24-02-2014 07:37PM

melissak wrote: »

Flouride drops for those who want them. Logistically easier than water meters I'd hazard a guess

And who will pay for these. Given we will soon have water meters and will only be paying for what we use you could drink bottled water and use the mains for everything else? Wouldn't that be fairer given there are no valid reasons to stop fluoridation.

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:41PM

jh79 wrote: »

And who will pay for these.

The same people who pays for the existing flouridation I would expect

24-02-2014 07:43PM

melissak wrote: »

The same people who pays for the existing flouridation I would expect

You could drink bottled water and would only have to pay for washing etc once the meters are up and running?

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:45PM

jh79 wrote: »

Does it not bother you that Waugh and the girl against fluoride consistently misrepresent scientific data?

It bothers me when anyone knowingly misrepresents anything someone else says. I just am not sure that they don't believe that what they are saying is the truth. And if they believe it to be the truth they are entitled to protest. I can't remember who said "This is my truth, tell me yours" but I like the quote..

24-02-2014 07:47PM

melissak wrote: »

It bothers me when anyone knowingly misrepresents anything someone else says. I just am not sure that they don't believe that what they are saying is the truth.

Waugh has a science background knows exactly what he is doing.

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:51PM

jh79 wrote: »

You could drink bottled water and would only have to pay for washing etc once the meters are up and running?

I don't need to I have my own water supply. But why should other people have to?

Sarky · 24-02-2014 07:53PM

robindch wrote: »

Do you've any comments on that self-styled "environmental scientist" who published an entire book on fluoride without getting so much as a single digit reviewed?

Only if you accept the phrase "LYING C*NTING WEASEL" typed out about 300 times in a row as comments.

Peer review can be fun sometimes.

Capt'n Midnight · 24-02-2014 07:53PM

melissak wrote: »

What does theory mean? As far as I understand it is not the same as fact....Many scientific theories are believed for a while and then thrown out when a more accurate theory comes along. Otherwise there would be no need for scientists at all, we would just say "that's it now, we know everything that there is to know we can stop questioning anything". That has been a dangerous position to take historically.
Anyway in my opinion a closed mind is more dangerous than a vacant one, if that is what you are suggesting that I have..

This has been done to death on the creationism forums,

put it this way, Gravity is only a theory. If something better comes along, and there is active research on this. then the new theory will be used instead.

But I would not recommend stepping out of an 8th story window regardless of what any new theory of gravity says.

melissak · 24-02-2014 07:57PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

This has been done to death on the creationism forums,

put it this way, Gravity is only a theory. If something better comes along, and there is active research on this. then the new theory will be used instead.

But I would not recommend stepping out of an 8th story window regardless of what any new theory of gravity says.

Thanks for clarifying this for me, I don't accept gravity and was just about to step out of the window. You have saved me from my own stupidity. Well done you..

24-02-2014 08:03PM

melissak wrote: »

I don't need to I have my own water supply. But why should other people have to?

What justifies stopping water fluoridation in your opinion?

Muise... · 24-02-2014 08:05PM

melissak wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying this for me, I don't accept gravity and was just about to step out of the window. You have saved me from my own stupidity. Well done you..

It was an analogy. I think you need more saving.

Guy:Incognito · 24-02-2014 08:11PM

Melissak , do you buy any food or anything else you ingest in shops/chemists etc? How do you know they aren't all poisoning you?

melissak · 24-02-2014 08:30PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Melissak , do you buy any food or anything else you ingest in shops/chemists etc? How do you know they aren't all poisoning you?

Oh guy incognito I am all too aware that some of the things I consume are poisoning me. I do try to limit my exposure by growing a lot of my own food and making my own wine etc but there is only so much you can do. I try to buy organic food as much as possible but it is so much more expensive, it is difficult to eliminate all pesticides but believe me I am working on it!!! I am luckin fairness to live in the countryside, but then there are the agricultural poisons from other farms etc....

robindch · 24-02-2014 08:32PM

melissak wrote: »

It bothers me when anyone knowingly misrepresents anything someone else says.

But the continuous stream of lies from the anti-fluoride lobbyists doesn't worry?

jh79 wrote: »

Waugh has a science background knows exactly what he is doing.

Having read some of Waugh's incoherent ramblings, I can confidently say that he doesn't have a clue about what he's doing.

To be honest, I feel rather sorry for him - that he can make himself so annoyed about something which is so transparently, and so obviously, completely wrong.

It's like reading a "Rant Against Leprechauns" by somebody who thinks a leprechaun stole his wallet.

robindch · 24-02-2014 08:33PM

melissak wrote: »

[...] I don't accept gravity and was just about to step out of the window [...]

Well, why don't you?

The modern theory of gravity was generally developed by people paid for by governments. And you're on record here as saying that government scientists can't be trusted.

Capt'n Midnight · 24-02-2014 08:34PM

endacl wrote: »

Feckin' government. You just can't trust them. Wonder what they're up to this time? Microchips I expect...

That was done years back.

Did people get upset , not a bit, just some nimbys going on about the radiation from the base stations

melissak · 24-02-2014 08:37PM

jh79 wrote: »

What justifies stopping water fluoridation in your opinion?

I have not categorically said that it should be stopped. I avoid it as i have concerns, but that is my personal choice, I am not bestowing that choice on you. My post said that it would not be difficult logistically to do. My point was, is and will remain that if people do not wish to be mass medicated by their government they have every right to protest.

melissak · 24-02-2014 08:41PM

robindch wrote: »

Well, why don't you?

The modern theory of gravity was generally developed by people paid for by governments. And you're on record here as saying that government scientists can't be trusted.

Oh you're saying that the IRISH government scientists developed the theory of gravity.. ****ing newton stealing our thunder!!

melissak · 24-02-2014 08:46PM

robindch wrote: »

Well, why don't you?

The modern theory of gravity was generally developed by people paid for by governments. And you're on record here as saying that government scientists can't be trusted.

I wonder is it appropriate for a MODERATOR on this site to suggest someone should commit suicide by jumping out an 8th story window because he disagrees with a point.??? I doubt it.... There is something amiss with you...

24-02-2014 08:46PM

melissak wrote: »

I have not categorically said that it should be stopped. I avoid it as i have concerns, but that is my personal choice, I am not bestowing that choice on you. My post said that it would not be difficult logistically to do. My point was, is and will remain that if people do not wish to be mass medicated by their government they have every right to protest.

They have the right to protest but not the right to lie about the effects of fluoridation which is what Waugh et al are doing.

robindch · 24-02-2014 08:47PM

melissak wrote: »

I wonder is it appropriate for a MODERATOR on this site to suggest someone should commit suicide by jumping out an 8th story window because he disagrees with a point?

Uh, you were the one who suggested that you were about to commit suicide by jumping out of a window. To wit:

melissak wrote: »

[...] I don't accept gravity and was just about to step out of the window. You have saved me from my own stupidity. [...]

I'm happy that somebody from the scientific side of the debate was able to save you from your own stupidity!

BTW, are you saying that you now trust government-funded scientists? If so, well, that's progress

Charlatan "girl against flouride" finally exposed

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