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Iona vs Panti

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  • #2252
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,179 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Drag queens are for the entertainment and amusement of middle class bores who think eating a Chinese is cosmopolitan and going to a gay bar makes them cool. Panti isn't even a good looking woman.

    now it all makes sense. We have a time-traveller from the 1970s in our midst :p

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2253
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    SW wrote: »
    now it all makes sense. We have a time-traveller from the 1970s in our midst :p

    Does he know John Titor?


  • #2254
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    SW wrote: »
    your personal aversion to men in womens clothing notwithstanding, less than 20% oppose marriage equality. And considering the massive public support Rory has received, I'd say that the average citizen isn't as blinkered as you appear to be.

    Think of some young gay man coming to teens with his sexuality and his only model is panti. It's enough to be suicidal. But hey feck that are so mature and PC that we think it's cool to egg on a hysterical drag queen.


  • #2255
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    SW wrote: »
    now it all makes sense. We have a time-traveller from the 1970s in our midst :p

    I'll have a prawn cocktail, steak Diane, baked Alaska and bottle of blue nun.


  • #2256
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,284 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Think of some young gay man coming to teens with his sexuality and his only model is panti. It's enough to be suicidal. But hey feck that are so mature and PC that we think it's cool to egg on a hysterical drag queen.

    Why would Panti be his only role model? You're stretching now.
    lazygal wrote: »
    I'll have a prawn cocktail, steak Diane, baked Alaska and bottle of blue nun.

    Ugh, Blue Nun, how positively proletarian.


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  • #2257
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,179 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Think of some young gay man coming to teens with his sexuality and his only model is panti. It's enough to be suicidal. But hey feck that are so mature and PC that we think it's cool to egg on a hysterical drag queen.

    I'd be more concerned that those same young men would be exposed to people like you that label those that are different as freaks. Confidence in who they are is preferable to the self-loathing you'd prefer to instil in them.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2258
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    SW wrote: »
    I'd be more concerned that those same young men would be exposed to people like you that label those that are different as freaks. Confidence in who they are is preferable to the self-loathing you'd prefer to instil in them.

    Really. We'll I've never had the inclination to dress up in drag or become the confidant and shopping buddy of some obnoxious blond bimbo from south Dublin. Does that make me full of self loathe too.


  • #2259
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,179 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Really. We'll I've never had the inclination to dress up in drag or become the confidant and shopping buddy of some obnoxious blond bimbo from south Dublin. Does that make me full of self loathe too.

    Where did I suggest that the young gay men had to become drag artist? The point, which you missed, was that Rory says that homosexuals shouldn't have to take crap for being different. You promote the idea of labelling people that are different as freaks. World needs less of your type of attitude and more of Rorys.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2260
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Does that make me full of self loathe too.

    Well, you are definitely full of something alright.









    (My money is on bottom-shelf vodka drunk from a chipped teacup.)


  • #2261
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    People deviating from gender and sexual norms force me to contemplate the deviant desires that lurk quietly in my heart. I get afraid and feel urges to confront and destroy these people because I am emotionally damaged and incapable of being happy in my own skin. I express it on the internet because all I can manage in person is to passive-aggressively grunt 'fag' when I see a handsome young fella waltzing along the road. I am terrified of everything.


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  • #2262
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Think of some young gay man coming to teens with his sexuality and his only model is panti. It's enough to be suicidal. But hey feck that are so mature and PC that we think it's cool to egg on a hysterical drag queen.


    Do you really think any gay teen in Ireland today is relying on the Irish media to find their role models? In fact is any teen, gay or straight, not able to find their own? Give teens a bit of credit. For the record I think Rory/Panti is a wonderful role model for everyone not just the gay community. His choice of career is not really relevant to the debate. He is a gay man who just happens to work as a drag queen after all.


  • #2263
    oceanclub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Panti is a joke. Who elected that freak spokesperson and chief for the gay community.

    Hi David.

    P.


  • #2264
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    I've got a little story for you. My mum liked John Waters, she really didn't know much about him, but she often liked him when he appeared on the Late Late, or that ice skating show where he shuffled around on some sort of walker wearing a fez. She really didn't understand why I had such a strong dislike for him or why I'd call him "that gobsh*te" if I saw him on TV, he's a lovely man she told me. Recently we were having coffee and we were talking about the whole Panti/RTE controversy and how Waters and the Iona shower were taking legal action, and she said something with regards to Jawn that I found very telling, she said to me "You always said he was bad, but I never knew why" with shake of her head. Her opinion on Rory or Panti, she said he was right to say what he said, and didn't even comment on the drag thing, it didn't enter into it.

    What this whole debate has really done is tossed aside the masks of Waters and friends, all the nasty, homophobic and vitriolic things they've preached have been brought front and center in the public eye.


  • #2265
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Well, you are definitely full of something alright.









    (My money is on bottom-shelf vodka drunk from a chipped teacup.)

    Nah, matteus rose or black tower.


  • #2266
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Do you really think any gay teen in Ireland today is relying on the Irish media to find their role models? In fact is any teen, gay or straight, not able to find their own? Give teens a bit of credit. For the record I think Rory/Panti is a wonderful role model for everyone not just the gay community. His choice of career is not really relevant to the debate. He is a gay man who just happens to work as a drag queen after all.

    What I think is this. Rory I can take seriously and emphasise with. Panti is just another hilarious panto routine for straight people to laugh at.


  • #2267
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Think of some young gay man coming to teens with his sexuality and his only model is panti. It's enough to be suicidal. But hey feck that are so mature and PC that we think it's cool to egg on a hysterical drag queen.


    Yes, because Panti is the only gay man in Ireland.

    Donal Og Cusack.....nope don't know him.

    Graham Norton? Nope.....

    David Norris.....is he a rugby player?


  • #2268
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    Links234 wrote: »
    I've got a little story for you. My mum liked John Waters, she really didn't know much about him, but she often liked him when he appeared on the Late Late, or that ice skating show where he shuffled around on some sort of walker wearing a fez. She really didn't understand why I had such a strong dislike for him or why I'd call him "that gobsh*te" if I saw him on TV, he's a lovely man she told me. Recently we were having coffee and we were talking about the whole Panti/RTE controversy and how Waters and the Iona shower were taking legal action, and she said something with regards to Jawn that I found very telling, she said to me "You always said he was bad, but I never knew why" with shake of her head. Her opinion on Rory or Panti, she said he was right to say what he said, and didn't even comment on the drag thing, it didn't enter into it.

    What this whole debate has really done is tossed aside the masks of Waters and friends, all the nasty, homophobic and vitriolic things they've preached have been brought front and center in the public eye.

    Maybe in middle class Ireland. I can assure you the rest of us just saw a hysterical drag queen bang on about checking herself at pedestrian crossings to see if she looked gay in drag. What away to introduce Ireland to gay marriage.


  • #2269
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,179 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ne0ica wrote: »
    What I think is this. Rory I can take seriously and emphasise with. Panti is just another hilarious panto routine for straight people to laugh at.

    so you couldn't take the Noble Call seriously because Rory did it as Panti? you couldn't quell the internal dislike of drag artists and actually listen to the monologue?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2270
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    ne0ica wrote: »
    What I think is this. Rory I can take seriously and emphasise with. Panti is just another hilarious panto routine for straight people to laugh at.


    18 Posts; 17 of them in the past hour on this thread.

    1 on the Saturday night show thread giving out about the amount of gay guests on RTE chat shows.


  • #2271
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    SW wrote: »
    so you couldn't take the Noble Call seriously because Rory did it as Panti? you couldn't quell the internal dislike of drag artists and actually listen to the monologue?

    Imagine if Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther king had dressed up in drag and tried to deliver a serious political message.


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  • #2272
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Maybe in middle class Ireland. I can assure you the rest of us just saw a hysterical drag queen bang on about checking herself at pedestrian crossings to see if she looked gay in drag. What away to introduce Ireland to gay marriage.

    No, he was talking about how he checks himself when he is out of drag.


  • #2273
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    18 Posts; 17 of them in the past hour on this thread.

    1 on the Saturday night show thread giving out about the amount of gay guests on RTE chat shows.

    I didn't give out just observed the fact.


  • #2274
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Imagine if Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther king had dressed up in drag and tried to deliver a serious political message.

    Imagine if we stopped judging people on their appearance, meaning they don't have to check themselves.


  • #2275
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,179 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Maybe in middle class Ireland. I can assure you the rest of us just saw a hysterical drag queen bang on about checking herself at pedestrian crossings to see if she looked gay in drag. What away to introduce Ireland to gay marriage.

    Speak for yourself. I saw an articulate person convey how they suffer tiny little cuts every day until it gets to the stage where they are afraid to be identified and abused based on a facet of their personality, much like you did in your opening salvo in this thread.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2276
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Imagine if Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther king had dressed up in drag and tried to deliver a serious political message.

    Rory has said that the reason he gave the speech in drag was because he was due to appear as Panti quite soon after being at the Abbey so he had no time to change. Most likely if he had time he would have gone on stage as Rory.


  • #2277
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    eviltwin wrote: »
    No, he was talking about how he checks himself when he is out of drag.

    Im confused. So is it panti it Rory who is the persecuted minority


  • #2278
    ne0ica
    Site Banned Posts: 66 ✭✭ne0ica


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Rory has said that the reason he gave the speech in drag was because he was due to appear as Panti quite soon after being at the Abbey so he had no time to change. Most likely if he had time he would have gone on stage as Rory.

    I guess that's why he showed up in drag in channel 4 news in drag as well. You'd think he would have made an effort when he was making such an important speech.


  • #2279
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,179 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Imagine if Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther king had dressed up in drag and tried to deliver a serious political message.

    Neither Mandela or MLK were a public figure as a drag artist, so the comparison doesn't work.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2280
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ne0ica wrote: »
    I guess that's why he showed up in drag in channel 4 news in drag as well. You'd think he would have made an effort when he was making such an important speech.

    What difference does it make? Do his words have more impact if he wears mens clothing or something? :confused:


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  • #2281
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    ne0ica wrote: »
    Maybe in middle class Ireland.

    And where's this middle class Ireland then, where people think eating Chinese is cosmopolitan?


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