Iona vs Panti

ne0ica

SW wrote: »

Seriously, am I the only person who has difficulty with a middle aged gay man in drag speaking and pontificating on behalf of the gay community. Panti is the sort of thing gay people were dismissed as by mainstream society in the past.

iwantmydinner

ne0ica wrote: »

Seriously, am I the only person who has difficulty with a middle aged gay man in drag speaking and pontificating on behalf of the gay community. Panti is the sort of thing gay people were dismissed as by mainstream society in the past.

"thing" ... Really?

ne0ica

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Sorry, I should have been clearer, apparently. You were spewing bile. Calling someone a freak would generally fall into the bilious category.

Panti is a joke. Almost as silly as Norris. Time the lesbians or a too gay man represented the gay community. These queens are misrepresenting gay people.

dharma200

trolls, jealous trolls x

robindch

ne0ica wrote: »

Panti is a joke. Who elected that freak spokesperson and chief for the gay community.

Nobody elected him to any position and neither does he speak on behalf of anybody. So I don't quite know what you're raving about.

I do know, however, that your attitude will lead to cards and bans, so tone down the hysterical rhetoric or I'll be reaching for my clue stick.

Delirium

ne0ica wrote: »

Seriously, am I the only person who has difficulty with a middle aged gay man in drag speaking and pontificating on behalf of the gay community. Panti is the sort of thing gay people were dismissed as by mainstream society in the past.

I guess you must be. What difference does it make if it's Rory or the character Panti giving the speech? The message is either good or it isn't.

ne0ica

iwantmydinner wrote: »

"thing" ... Really?

You don't actually think panti is really. It's a character created by a gay man.

ne0ica

robindch wrote: »

Nobody elected him to any position and neither does he speak on behalf of anybody. So I don't quite know what you're raving about.

I do know, however, that your attitude will lead to cards and bans, so tone down the hysterical rhetoric or I'll be reaching for my clue stick.

Oh sorry. Maybe we should get the media to get a rapper/drug dealer to represent the African American community in Ireland or a mafia thug to represent the Italian community. Can't believe how many people are championing an outdated stereotype of gay men especially when it comes to such an important issue iike gay marriage

Nodin

ne0ica wrote: »

Oh sorry. Maybe we should get the media to get a rapper/drug dealer to represent the African American community in Ireland or a mafia thug to represent the Italian community. Can't believe how many people are championing an outdated stereotype of gay men especially when it comes to such an important issue iike gay marriage

Yet you also had a pop at Norris, so it seems nothing would satisfy you.

Delirium

ne0ica wrote: »

Oh sorry. Maybe we should get the media to get a rapper/drug dealer to represent the African American community in Ireland or a mafia thug to represent the Italian community. Can't believe how many people are championing an outdated stereotype of gay men especially when it comes to such an important issue iike gay marriage

whose championing a stereotype?? Rory is actually a drag artist. A drag artist is hardly the same as a drug dealer or mafia thug. So do you have a point other than your dislike of drag artists?

ne0ica

SW wrote: »

whose championing a stereotype?? Rory is actually a drag artist. A drag artist is hardly the same as a drug dealer or mafia thug. So do you have a point other than your dislike of drag artists?

It was Rory who went on the Saturday night show yet panti showed up at the abbey and on channel 4 news. Fair play to Rory for promoting his drag business.

iwantmydinner

ne0ica wrote: »

You don't actually think panti is really. It's a character created by a gay man.

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Nodin

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Indeed. I had previously assumed it was a benign version of the Jekyl & Hyde arrangement.

ne0ica

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Yeah, thanks for clearing that up for me.

What's wrong with a lesbian woman representing the gay community for a change.

Delirium

ne0ica wrote: »

It was Rory who went on the Saturday night show yet panti showed up at the abbey and on channel 4 news. Fair play to Rory for promoting his drag business.

still not seeing the problem. Panti is a persona Rory adopts on stage, it's entirely conceivable he might feel more comfortable on camera as Panti. So what? It still doesn't warrant your hostile labelling of him as a freak.

All you've done is attacked how the message was delivered rather than the message itself.

Links234

ne0ica wrote: »

Panti is a joke. Who elected that freak spokesperson and chief for the gay community.

Nodin

ne0ica wrote: »

What's wrong with a lesbian woman representing the gay community for a change.

Nothing. However Panti/Rory wasn't representing the gay community, and was brought into prominence in the media due to his remarks and the subsequent row.

Zillah

Why on Earth is anyone replying to such a jabbering creature?

ne0ica

SW wrote: »

still not seeing the problem. Panti is a persona Rory adopts on stage, it's entirely conceivable he might feel more comfortable on camera as Panti. So what? It still doesn't warrant your hostile labelling of him as a freak.

All you've done is attacked how the message was delivered rather than the message itself.

Does panti really stop and check herself to see if she looks gay?

ne0ica

Look folks you may want to shoot the messenger here but next year when the referendum fails you may want to look back at this point a see the moment it failed. When a drag queen with a big mouth hijacked the debate.

Delirium

ne0ica wrote: »

Does panti really stop and check herself to see if she looks gay?

Are you saying that Rory was lying? That homophobic abuse isn't still a concern for many homosexuals?

Delirium

ne0ica wrote: »

Look folks you may want to shoot the messenger here but next year when the referendum fails you may want to look back at this point a see the moment it failed. When a drag queen with a big mouth hijacked the debate.

Latest polls put the against side at 19%. Seems a drag artist is more palatable to most compared to the rantings of Iona & Waters.

ne0ica

SW wrote: »

Are you saying that Rory was lying? That homophobic abuse isn't still a concern for many homosexuals?

I actually thought it was funny. if I dressed up in womens clothes I too would stop and check myself.

Links234

ne0ica wrote: »

Look folks you may want to shoot the messenger here but next year when the referendum fails you may want to look back at this point a see the moment it failed. When a drag queen with a big mouth hijacked the debate.

You seem to be trying to appeal to some sort of prejudice you must think people have by pointing out the messenger in this case performs as a drag queen, but are failing to understand that most people probably don't see anything wrong with drag queens.

ne0ica

SW wrote: »

Latest polls put the against side at 19%. Seems a drag artist is more palatable to most compared to the rantings of Iona & Waters.

Don't fool yourself. Ask yourself how seriously straight society take straight men who dress up in women clothes.

mcmoustache

Zillah wrote: »

Why on Earth is anyone replying to such a jabbering creature?

It's saturday night and some of us have to play a gaa match tomorrow and can't be out drinking. That's my excuse anyway.

I was actually about to reply to this guy until I saw your comment. I probably won't bother now.

Thanks a lot, Zillah.

ne0ica

Links234 wrote: »

You seem to be trying to appeal to some sort of prejudice you must think people have by pointing out the messenger in this case performs as a drag queen, but are failing to understand that most people probably don't see anything wrong with drag queens.

Drag queens are for the entertainment and amusement of middle class bores who think eating a Chinese is cosmopolitan and going to a gay bar makes them cool. Panti isn't even a good looking woman.

Delirium

ne0ica wrote: »

Don't fool yourself. Ask yourself how seriously straight society take straight men who dress up in women clothes.

your personal aversion to men in womens clothing notwithstanding, less than 20% oppose marriage equality. And considering the massive public support Rory has received, I'd say that the average citizen isn't as blinkered as you appear to be.

aloyisious

Given that John Waters, Breda Power and David Quinn complained that Panti defamed them by likening their objections to gay marriage as being homophobic, I'd warrant that suggesting the media make a statement likening rappers/drug dealers to African-Americans or a Mafia thug to the Italian community might be seen as urging a similar type of defamation, or even an urging to likening racial backgrounds to specific criminal activity. RTE had to pay out over their complaint. Just an opinion-piece, you understand.

Pherekydes

ne0ica wrote: »

Don't fool yourself. Ask yourself how seriously straight society take straight men who dress up in women clothes.

The referendum on marriage equality isn't about Rory O'Neill/Panti Bliss or the Catholic church or the iOnanists. It's about marriage equality. Society, straight and gay, will realise that and vote accordingly.