Mexican Drug Cartels

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-02-2014 09:34AM #1

All cocaine that comes out of South America goes through several cartels in Mexico before reaching the US, The biggest of these are the Arellano Felix family in Tijuana. A 7 billion dollar a year enterprise according to the FBI. Currently one brother is dead and the two others are serving time, they have up to 200 recruits running the show. These are the people whose use chainsaws on victims and kill innocent women and children who have no involvement in the drug trade just to fcuk with their rivals. They once even killed a Catholic Cardinal in Guadalajara in 1993.

It's a cash business obviously, take this bust in 07 in Mexico City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clHmPwmF2bw

This rampant drug trade has cost so many lives, it's a problem I don't see Mexico ever ridding itself of. How do you even start in such a lawless hellhole were corruption crime and politics walk hand in hand? We don't have it too bad here in Ireland at all. :pac:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 22-02-2014 09:41AM

you decriminalise all drugs and then wait for legit businesspeople and contract law to do their thing

20Cent · 22-02-2014 09:48AM

I often wondered why don't the US just buy up the crop?

It would be easier and cheaper then all they spend fighting the cartels.
The grower sell it for a tiny fraction of what it gets sold for at the other end.

Same with Heroin in Afghanistan.

ygolometsipe · 22-02-2014 09:59AM

I wish I was a Mexican drug cartel

stefan idiot jones · 22-02-2014 10:22AM

Any got a chainsaw?

Banjo String · 22-02-2014 10:28AM

Mexico has loads of cartels, but it doesn't have an Olympics team.

Reason being. Any Mexican that can run, jump or swim is already living in the United States.

Dr Turk Turkelton · 22-02-2014 10:33AM

In Mehico I keel for maney but yoo I keel for free.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-02-2014 10:35AM

I was just putting the figures together in my head, the FBI who monitor their activities estimate the Arellano Felix family earn 7 billion per annum in the drug trade alone (not counting their extortion and protection rackets in Tijuana)

The top brass are either dead or jailed, an estimated 200 associates running the business currently, can you imagine the kind of money these guys are seeing off it. The top end obviously goes to both jailed Arellano Felix brothers but can you imagine what's going spare. I'd say even the lowest ranked thug is pulling a few mill a year.

bnt · 22-02-2014 11:20AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'd say even the lowest ranked thug is pulling a few mill a year.

If it's anything like the retail drug business in the USA, then no. The entry-level jobs are more like internships: the pay is poor, and you're there because there's nothing else out there for you. At least drug dealing offers some prospect of future advancement (link):

Street-level drug dealing appears to be less lucrative than is generally though. We estimate the average wage in the organization to rise from roughly $6 per hour to $11 per hour over the time period studied. The distribution of wages, however, is extremely skewed. Gang leaders earn far more than they could in the legitimate sector, but the actual street-level dealers appear to earn less than the minimum wage throughout most of our sample, in spite of the substantial risks associated with such activities (the annual violent death rate in our sample is 0.07).

wazky · 22-02-2014 11:24AM

bnt wrote: »

If it's anything like the retail drug business in the USA, then no. The entry-level jobs are more like internship

That would actually be a Jobridge worth doing, flexible hours, good pay, by the end of the internship the intern will have extensive chemical training and basic chainsaw skills.

batistuta9 · 22-02-2014 11:35AM

the sinaloa cartel & los zetas are bigger (and badder)

renegademaster · 22-02-2014 11:58AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

All cocaine that comes out of South America goes through several cartels in Mexico before reaching the US, The biggest of these are the Arellano Felix family in Tijuana. A 7 billion dollar a year enterprise according to the FBI. Currently one brother is dead and the two others are serving time, they have up to 200 recruits running the show. These are the people whose use chainsaws on victims and kill innocent women and children who have no involvement in the drug trade just to fcuk with their rivals. They once even killed a Catholic Cardinal in Guadalajara in 1993.

It's a cash business obviously, take this bust in 07 in Mexico City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clHmPwmF2bw

This rampant drug trade has cost so many lives, it's a problem I don't see Mexico ever ridding itself of. How do you even start in such a lawless hellhole were corruption crime and politics walk hand in hand? We don't have it too bad here in Ireland at all. :pac:

are these the guys the american government done a deal with and allowed to continue their business cos they work for uncle sam?? if drugs were as dangerous as the yanks try to say they are then how can you do deals with such big players in such destructive product.

same here with whatshisface working for the garda while importing multi millin euro shipments of american protected heroin comign right out of afghanistan!! they couldn't work with a hash dealer no?? hash dealers get fcuked but the guys bringing in lovely heroin they're alright

renegademaster · 22-02-2014 12:02PM

20Cent wrote: »

I often wondered why don't the US just buy up the crop?

It would be easier and cheaper then all they spend fighting the cartels.
The grower sell it for a tiny fraction of what it gets sold for at the other end.

Same with Heroin in Afghanistan.

sure the americans have stood over the increase in poppy production since they decided to go into afghanistan while in Iraq. you do know the yanks are fcuking delighted to be part of the network that oversees production of 90% of the worlds streets heroin, do you know how far that money line oges into corrupting the corrupt and the black ops carried out by their multiple secret agencies and mercinaries for hire etc etc.

batistuta9 · 22-02-2014 12:28PM

renegademaster wrote: »

are these the guys the american government done a deal with and allowed to continue their business cos they work for uncle sam?? if drugs were as dangerous as the yanks try to say they are then how can you do deals with such big players in such destructive product.

no, that was the sinaloa cartel.

bnt · 22-02-2014 12:28PM

20Cent wrote: »

I often wondered why don't the US just buy up the crop?

By "the US", do you mean US businesses or the US government? Businesses would face serious legal problems straight away, because the trade is illegal under current law.

For the government to get involved, Congress would have to pass a law, and they won't do anything that might alienate voters or their financial backers. You need a lot of money to get elected and re-elected, so most of their time and effort goes in to fund-raising, not law-making.

20Cent wrote: »

Same with Heroin in Afghanistan.

Dude, where have you been? Source:

Heroin is a multibillion dollar business supported by powerful interests, which requires a steady and secure commodity flow. One of the “hidden” objectives of the war was precisely to restore the CIA sponsored drug trade to its historical levels and exert direct control over the drug routes.

Immediately following the October 2001 invasion, opium markets were restored. Opium prices spiraled. By early 2002, the opium price (in dollars/kg) was almost 10 times higher than in 2000.

In 2001, under the Taliban opiate production stood at 185 tons, increasing to 3400 tons in 2002 under the US sponsored puppet regime of President Hamid Karzai.

The crop hit record levels last year.

The Diabolical Monocle · 22-02-2014 12:36PM

If insanely overpowered weapons weren't available just over the border it probably wouldn't have got this far.

Sir Arthur Daley · 22-02-2014 03:34PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

If insanely overpowered weapons weren't available just over the border it probably wouldn't have got this far.

I agree, they should have to have an NPTC award to use the saws and appropiate PPE.

biko · 22-02-2014 03:45PM

It'd be easier just to ask people in the US to stop using drugs.

The Diabolical Monocle · 22-02-2014 04:06PM

WikiHow wrote: »

I agree, they should have to have an NPTC award to use the saws and appropiate PPE.

Indeed, I hear they fought for territory using saws.

rolliepoley · 22-02-2014 04:48PM

The yanks could easily stop this, all they have to do is show them what a giant mushroom looks like.

pconn062 · 22-02-2014 04:57PM

Interesting blog here detailing the activities of the cartels.

http://www.elblogdelnarco.info/

eisenberg1 · 22-02-2014 05:02PM

El Narco: The Rise of The Mexican Drug Cartels

Great read and will go a long way to answer any questions you guys may have.

The Diabolical Monocle · 22-02-2014 06:08PM

rolliepoley wrote: »

The yanks could easily stop this, all they have to do is show them what a giant mushroom looks like.

FVCK YEAH !!!!

rustedtrumpet · 22-02-2014 06:17PM

Mexicans are little saps, just bean eating burrito boys. Little rent boys

MadsL · 22-02-2014 06:28PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

If insanely overpowered weapons weren't available just over the border it probably wouldn't have got this far.

Speaking as someone who lives less than 4 hours drive from the border, a few observations.

Citizens of Mexico have no right to carry arms, despite the massive amounts of guns in the country. This means that even retired police cannot defend themselves or their family from grudges.

Citizens of the US may have guns. This means that in certain parts of this state we can drive in remote areas with less fear of hijacking or assault, or accidentally running across cartel activity we were not supposed to see. I have hippy-dippy friends who are love and peace freaks who would not dream of driving around the border area without a pistol in the truck just in case. You simply do not know who you stumble across off the highway.

Mexico has decriminalised weed. New Mexico has been restricting even the legal medical marijuana growers licences (it is being taken to court as I type) - perhaps if the switch happened (the US legalised weed federally, and Mexico gave it's law-abiding citizens access to guns) we would not see 200k+ plus dead in Mexico.

I'd love to see Mexico, but my problem is that whilst I could cross the border and drive to the safe, beautiful parts of Mexico, I cannot take a pistol with me to drive non-stop past the hellholes in relative safety.

I understand your position on guns, please try and see why, when faced with lawlessness in remote areas, Americans feel the need to be prepared to defend themselves. Using phrases like "insanely overpowered" just makes you look hysterical about the whole issue by the way.

I do believe Mexico can rid itself of the cartels, most Mexicans I know grieve for what has happened to their beautiful country, but certain places have become utterly lawless, but the law-abiding have no legal means of proper self-defence against the criminal.

clairefontaine · 22-02-2014 06:33PM

MadsL wrote: »

Speaking as someone who lives less than 4 hours drive from the border, a few observations.

Citizens of Mexico have no right to carry arms, despite the massive amounts of guns in the country. This means that even retired police cannot defend themselves or their family from grudges.

Citizens of the US may have guns. This means that in certain parts of this state we can drive in remote areas with less fear of hijacking or assault, or accidentally running across cartel activity we were not supposed to see. I have hippy-dippy friends who are love and peace freaks who would not dream of driving around the border area without a pistol in the truck just in case. You simply do not know who you stumble across off the highway.

Mexico has decriminalised weed. New Mexico has been restricting even the legal medical marijuana growers licences (it is being taken to court as I type) - perhaps if the switch happened (the US legalised weed federally, and Mexico gave it's law-abiding citizens access to guns) we would not see 200k+ plus dead in Mexico.

I'd love to see Mexico, but my problem is that whilst I could cross the border and drive to the safe, beautiful parts of Mexico, I cannot take a pistol with me to drive non-stop past the hellholes in relative safety.

I understand your position on guns, please try and see why, when faced with lawlessness in remote areas, Americans feel the need to be prepared to defend themselves. Using phrases like "insanely overpowered" just makes you look hysterical about the whole issue by the way.

I do believe Mexico can rid itself of the cartels, most Mexicans I know grieve for what has happened to their beautiful country, but certain places have become utterly lawless, but the law-abiding have no legal means of proper self-defence against the criminal.

The Mexican cartel has a lot of ex Mexican military working for them. This means they have intelligence and also a sophisticated weapon supply. The US does not use its military in fighting the cartel, but local law enforcement and the DEA, sometimes with the FBI. So it's an uneven fight. And one the US will never win.

The US won't use the military against the cartel because that is not in its remit, so what it will do I suspect is further militarisation of local law enforcement and the DEA.

The Diabolical Monocle · 22-02-2014 06:36PM

MadsL wrote: »

Speaking as someone who lives less than 4 hours drive from the border, a few observations.

Citizens of Mexico have no right to carry arms, despite the massive amounts of guns in the country. This means that even retired police cannot defend themselves or their family from grudges.

Citizens of the US may have guns. This means that in certain parts of this state we can drive in remote areas with less fear of hijacking or assault, or accidentally running across cartel activity we were not supposed to see. I have hippy-dippy friends who are love and peace freaks who would not dream of driving around the border area without a pistol in the truck just in case. You simply do not know who you stumble across off the highway.

Mexico has decriminalised weed. New Mexico has been restricting even the legal medical marijuana growers licences (it is being taken to court as I type) - perhaps if the switch happened (the US legalised weed federally, and Mexico gave it's law-abiding citizens access to guns) we would not see 200k+ plus dead in Mexico.

I'd love to see Mexico, but my problem is that whilst I could cross the border and drive to the safe, beautiful parts of Mexico, I cannot take a pistol with me to drive non-stop past the hellholes in relative safety.

I understand your position on guns, please try and see why, when faced with lawlessness in remote areas, Americans feel the need to be prepared to defend themselves. Using phrases like "insanely overpowered" just makes you look hysterical about the whole issue by the way.

I do believe Mexico can rid itself of the cartels, most Mexicans I know grieve for what has happened to their beautiful country, but certain places have become utterly lawless, but the law-abiding have no legal means of proper self-defence against the criminal.

An abundance of quantity.

Yet..... nothing you can say will take away the fact that Mexican cartels would have been 10 times smaller if they hadn't been able to cross over and get high capacity, high rate, high caliber weapons.

And I dont care if in your opinion I look hysterical, this is resorting to playing the man not the ball.

Would you like to say that the cartels didn't arm themselves with weapons from the US now ?? Please, feel free to.

MadsL · 22-02-2014 06:47PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

An abundance of quantity.

Yet..... nothing you can say will take away the fact that Mexican cartels would have been 10 times smaller if they hadn't been able to cross over and get high capacity, high rate, high caliber weapons.

Would the IRA have been 10 times bigger if they had been able to get guns from the Republic? I don't know..they seemed to be able to arm themselves pretty easily. I think blaming the US for criminals arming themselves is a bit simplistic, such weapons are also available from Mexico's southern border and any number of countries around the world.

And I dont care if in your opinion I look hysterical, this is resorting to playing the man not the ball.

It wasn't intended to be ad hominum, I took issue with the language in your post. What exactly do you mean by overpowered?

Would you like to say that the cartels didn't arm themselves with weapons from the US now ?? Please, feel free to.

I never claimed that, what I pointed out it that Mexican citizens are unable to do the same as their northern cousins and arm themselves to protect themselves against criminals. If they were, perhaps the cartels would be 10 times smaller?

MadsL · 22-02-2014 06:49PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

the fact that Mexican cartels would have been 10 times smaller if they hadn't been able to cross over and get high capacity, high rate, high caliber weapons.

That's not a fact, that is your opinion.

Unless you have some science behind it?

NegativeCreep · 22-02-2014 06:51PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

All cocaine that comes out of South America goes through several cartels in Mexico before reaching the US, The biggest of these are the Arellano Felix family in Tijuana. A 7 billion dollar a year enterprise according to the FBI. Currently one brother is dead and the two others are serving time, they have up to 200 recruits running the show. These are the people whose use chainsaws on victims and kill innocent women and children who have no involvement in the drug trade just to fcuk with their rivals. They once even killed a Catholic Cardinal in Guadalajara in 1993.

They don't kill men, no?

The Diabolical Monocle · 22-02-2014 06:58PM

MadsL wrote: »

That's not a fact, that is your opinion.

Unless you have some science behind it?

Yes I do actually. The paper is by Dr Jurgen Von Bingledon. Entitled : Mexico, Diabolical Monocle was right. 22/02/14.

Mexican Drug Cartels

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