Gluten free diets

jamesbere · 22-02-2014 02:56AM

mikom wrote: »

A choice?
Why do you support an English premier league club rather than a league of Ireland club?

The point i'm trying to put across is why without any medical advice are people going on diets they don't need to go on. And yes I know its choice, but If you put that up on every thread on boards there wouldn't be much discussion

Esel · 22-02-2014 02:56AM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Because Irish clubs are shite?

Needs more matchsticks, Joe....

xxmeabhxx · 22-02-2014 03:03AM

To answer the OP's question, probably a mixture of ignorance and fashion.

There are of course real reasons to go gluten free, some people have intolerances or coeliac disease but there are people who see "diet" and think it's a weight loss thing or they just hear lots about it and think it's cool or will be more healthy for them even though it will limit them massively in what they can eat.

My sister used to work in superquinn. She was working at the checkout and there was a woman buying a load of gluten free products and one of the other women who worked there was commenting on it saying that she tried to the gluten free diet and it didn't work for her. She was talking about it as if it was a weight loss thing which it isn't.

jamesbere · 22-02-2014 03:11AM

xxmeabhxx wrote: »

To answer the OP's question, probably a mixture of ignorance and fashion.

There are of course real reasons to go gluten free, some people have intolerances or coeliac disease but there are people who see "diet" and think it's a weight loss thing or they just hear lots about it and think it's cool or will be more healthy for them even though it will limit them massively in what they can eat.

My sister used to work in superquinn. She was working at the checkout and there was a woman buying a load of gluten free products and one of the other women who worked there was commenting on it saying that she tried to the gluten free diet and it didn't work for her. She was talking about it as if it was a weight loss thing which it isn't.

I've wondered when people see the word diet at the end of a sentence do they automatically think that they will lose weight from going on it.

Baze · 22-02-2014 03:12AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

What foods have gluten in it as a matter of interest?

Gluten is just a vague term. It’s something that’s used to categorize things that are bad. You know, calories, that’s a gluten. Fat, that’s a gluten.

Sir Arthur Daley · 22-02-2014 03:13AM

Once there is no Gluten in MacDonalds i dont mind.

jamesbere · 22-02-2014 03:25AM

Here are some interesting diets, The fresh air diet looks great

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10472726/This-years-most-dangerous-fad-diets.html

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 22-02-2014 04:08AM

mikom wrote: »

A choice?
Why do you support an English premier league club rather than a league of Ireland club?

It's bad enough I have to see this on the soccer forum but on a thread about gluten free diets....

happypants · 22-02-2014 12:35PM

uch wrote: »

I Like Cake

My friend is celiac, I brought her a gluten free cake yesterday... It wasn't very nice but she loved it.

I like cake too, with gluten.

For Forks Sake · 22-02-2014 12:38PM

WikiHow wrote: »

Carvery.

Oh no you didn't...

whirlpool · 22-02-2014 12:52PM

A lot of people will try gluten-free diets to see if they feel better on it, because of the advice that is out there at the moment. It's that simple.

Yes, it may be a trend at the moment, but the only thing worse than trends is the anti-trend people - being anti-trend itself is a trend so don't think you're fooling anyone.

Lisha · 22-02-2014 12:58PM

happypants wrote: »

My friend is celiac, I brought her a gluten free cake yesterday... It wasn't very nice but she loved it.

I like cake too, with gluten.

I once took a big bite of a gorgeous looking apple tart. Boy was I sorry, it was gluten free pastry. Utterly rank, like eating sand.

But some gluten breads can be nice and are not as doughy and heavy as bread. I use the super valu gluten free baps as buns for home made burgers in the summer nomnom

Clearlier · 22-02-2014 01:32PM

jamesbere wrote: »

There taking out essential b vitamins, whole food breads and cereals are loaded with B vitamins. Eating fiber rich foods are important, especially in order to get and maintain normal intestinal and bowel movement

Although I personally eat and enjoy lots of wheat and lots of products that contain gluten it's just wrong to suggest that it's essential.

B vitamins can be found in many other foods. Fibre is far better got from vegetables and fruit if you're looking for a balanced diet.

IMO the various 'gluten free' products/substitutes that are found in the shops should generally be avoided like the plague. The number of ingredients and the amount of processing that goes into them makes them something that I think better avoided.

It's perfectly feasible to and (many cultures traditionally do) follow a gluten free diet without resorting to the highly processed rubbish that is found in the gluten free section of many supermarkets.

The descriptors healthy and unhealthy are not synonomous with a gluten free diet. With the exception of those who are intolerant to gluten (including but not exclusively those with coeliac disease [for which the test can be difficult to administer]) diets containing gluten and gluten free diets can be healthy or unhealthy.

Butterface · 22-02-2014 01:35PM

jamesbere wrote: »

The point i'm trying to put across is why without any medical advice are people going on diets they don't need to go on. And yes I know its choice, but If you put that up on every thread on boards there wouldn't be much discussion

The majority of people choose to go on diets without seeking any medical advice and for a multitude of reasons, whether it's to help with weightloss, allergies, IBS etc.

The people you know may only consume a few gluten-free products, and not replace everything in their diet with gluten-free stuff. Maybe they eat a lot of biscuits and cake but it leaves them feeling bloated or whatever, and they find that the gluten-free stuff is okay.

jane82 · 22-02-2014 01:49PM

Gluten free is a word that still makes me shiver. As a kid I used to get very sick when I ate gluten. Gluten is in everything. Sausages to bread to beer. Gluten free anything is rank.
This rankness made me just keep eating gluten and getting through the sickness until my body stopped getting sick from it.
I am the least fussy eater in the world but it was horrible food altogether. I think people will lose weight on this diet because (a) food is more expensive so you eat less (b) the bread is the worse of all so you avoid it eating less carbs (c) pretty much the only normal foods that dont have gluten are clean foods like chicken so you will eat more protein.

Tl/dr eat less lose weight dont punish yourself with expensive cardboard bread

ProfessorPlum · 22-02-2014 01:59PM

Gluten is contained in grains - wheat, barley, rye and most oats. A proper gluten free diet would be fairly restrictive in Ireland. Cut out the obvious breads, cakes, pastas etc and add to that beer, soups, sauces, gravies etc. in fact if you check the labeling of many many processed foods you'll find they contain gluten. So I'd guess the non coeliac 'gluten free' diet followers aren't on a gluten free diet at all.

22-02-2014 02:06PM

happypants wrote: »

My friend is celiac, I brought her a gluten free cake yesterday... It wasn't very nice but she loved it.

I like cake too, with gluten.

You can get nice gluten free cake and buns, I know cos I've made em and they don't taste any different. Shop bought stuff does taste worse but then shop bought cakes are never as nice as homemade!
I started getting nausea and eventually cramping whenever I ate wheat or anything wheat based a few months ago. Trust me it's not cool or fun, it's a total pain in the backside

Mr. CooL ICE · 22-02-2014 02:16PM

I follow a mostly gluten-free diet but am not celiac. I always had problems with energy levels and I find that avoiding processed and starchy foods keeps my energy levels up. It just happens to be mostly gluten free food that I eat.

I don't purposely buy gluten-free products, but I do prepare the majority of my food. Bacon and eggs for breakfast, meat and 2/3 veg for dinner, fruit and nuts for snacks and some other meat/salad/omelette type thing for supper.

jane82 · 22-02-2014 02:25PM

LordChessington wrote: »

I follow a mostly gluten-free diet but am not celiac. I always had problems with energy levels and I find that avoiding processed and starchy foods keeps my energy levels up. It just happens to be mostly gluten free food that I eat.

I don't purposely buy gluten-free products, but I do prepare the majority of my food. Bacon and eggs for breakfast, meat and 2/3 veg for dinner, fruit and nuts for snacks and some other meat/salad/omelette type thing for supper.

You could have said. Bad Carbs make you bloated and lazy. I noticed wherever there is bad carbs there is gluten. I dont buy non bad carb food I just avoid bad carb food.
I normally eat food rich in protein and get good carbs and vitamins from veg.

ProfessorPlum · 22-02-2014 02:32PM

LordChessington wrote: »

I follow a mostly gluten-free diet but am not celiac. I always had problems with energy levels and I find that avoiding processed and starchy foods keeps my energy levels up. It just happens to be mostly gluten free food that I eat.

I don't purposely buy gluten-free products, but I do prepare the majority of my food. Bacon and eggs for breakfast, meat and 2/3 veg for dinner, fruit and nuts for snacks and some other meat/salad/omelette type thing for supper.

So maybe it would be more correct to say you follow a low starch / low carb diet not a low gluten diet ? Would you avoid other grains - rice, corn etc, or is it just gluten containing grains. And beer.

FollatonWood · 22-02-2014 02:36PM

jamesbere wrote: »

A person who truly needs to eat Gluten Free has a very serious medical condition known as Celiac Disease but why are people who don't have this disease on these diets, why are people depriving themselves of some essential nutrients to go on a diet that a magazine told them to go on. I know a couple of people that are on gluten free diets and they dont need to be on them.

If your stomach blew up like a balloon every time you ate wheat then I assure you you'd go gluten free too.

ProfessorPlum · 22-02-2014 02:37PM

FollatonWood wrote: »

If your stomach blew up like a balloon every time you ate wheat then I assure you you'd go gluten free too.

Why? Why not go wheat free??

Mr. CooL ICE · 22-02-2014 03:03PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

So maybe it would be more correct to say you follow a low starch / low carb diet not a low gluten diet ?

It's more or less the same thing. I said my diet happened to be mostly gluten free because the thread is about gluten free diets, not low carb.

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Would you avoid other grains - rice, corn etc, or is it just gluten contains grains. And beer.

I don't drink much, but that's more to do with me suffering from awful hangovers and generally being a dry balls.

If I'm given the option of having rice or veg with a meal, I'll almost always go with the veg. Fills me up the same but won't make me feel sleepy. But if my work canteen is having a burger friday, I'll eat the **** out of the burger and enjoy it. It's friday, so it's not like I'll be productive anyway

ProfessorPlum · 22-02-2014 04:39PM

It's not really the same thing - gluten is a protein, starch and carbs are, well, carbohydrates. It's true that starch and gluten come together in the grains I mentioned. I guess the OP was wondering why lots of people who aren't Coeliac (or gluten intolerant) are on 'gluten free' diets. I'm guessing they are more likely to be on low starch or carb diets because of the effects of the starch, not the gluten. I'd imagine it must be quite frustrating for Coeliacs who are very severely restricted on a gluten free diet to hear others harping on about their 'gluten free' diet, which is anything but 'gluten free'.

tomboylady · 22-02-2014 04:51PM

I'm severely gluten intolerant and have been on a gluten-free diet for a few years now. It really bugs me when people go on gluten free 'diets' because it seems like the cool thing to do for a while. Those people can go back and eat gluten-filled products again whenever they want. I can't. (Well, I could, but I'd be violently ill which isn't very pleasant!)

It's the new fad for a while. Coeliac disease and gluten intolerance are on the rise in Ireland and the teeny tiny (expensive) GF sections in supermarkets are growing ever so slightly. So, some people see this and think, maybe I should try this, it must be good for you. Would I deprive myself of gluten if I didn't have to for medical reasons? Heck no.

Baze · 22-02-2014 05:03PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Shop bought stuff does taste worse but then shop bought cakes are never as nice as homemade!

True, only exception being M&S really.

I know they can be a little pretentious with their Devonshire Honey Roast Ham and Caramel Sauteed M&Ms, but they do have a decent Gluten Free range. Their Mince Pies at Christmas were lovely and they also have some Black Pepper crackers that are great for dips.

Blazing Salads also have a bakery that make fresh Gluten Free breads.

The BeFree warps which you can get most places now are nice, if a touch pricey.

I had that damn nausea also and was even rushed to hospital twice with it. Felt like I had swallowed a fecking bowling ball. Turned out my pancreas was only secreting small amounts of digestive enzymes and was told I had to only eat small amounts at a time for around a year or so. Gastrologists are good at diagnosis of digestive issues, but when it comes to treatment, they haven't a clue. Tablets was all they offered me and had to research digestion myself to really get control of what was and was not best to eat when you have pancreatic insufficiency.

Best information I came across was to keep starchy foods away from protein ones (eat meat separate from bread and potatoes basically) and it worked for me (this was long before the Internet, so was information was thin on the ground). To be honest, I just eat feck all starch from that point on as I found I digested meat far better when I just had something like a salad or veg with a steak.

Coincidentally, I was just reading last week that June Brown (Dot Cotton) puts her longevity down to eating that way also. The late actor John Mills did too. Of course, 'Science' says it's all hokey, that food combining (Hay Diet) makes little or no sense and that it's all just mere anecdotes based on nothing more than happy coincidence. Perhaps their right. Perhaps.

happyviolet · 22-02-2014 05:34PM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

Many people say they have an intolerance but don't. Like a few years ago it was "cool" to have bipolar disorder, before that it was aspergers and various types of autism. Before that, it was lactose. List goes on. There are fad illnesses, maybe part of a "Look at me" syndrome.

I really hope you are trolling. :eek:
None of these are fad illnesses, and I am pretty sure no one wants to be lactose intolarent or bipolar just so they can have people looking after them all the time. How can you think people just make these up for attention?

happyviolet · 22-02-2014 05:44PM

Gluten-free diets are meant to be really good for people with autism and asperger's.
It not a cure as such, but is meant to improve communication and social skills with children with autism/aspergers.

ProfessorPlum · 22-02-2014 05:50PM

happyviolet wrote: »

I really hope you are trolling. :eek:
None of these are fad illnesses, and I am pretty sure no one wants to be lactose intolarent or bipolar just so they can have people looking after them all the time. How can you think people just make these up for attention?

Well, some people do make up illnesses for the attention. There's a condition called Munchausens where people do just that. They sometimes make others ill to get attention (Munchausens by proxy). Now these would be on the extremes - it's a psychiatric disease. I'm certainly not suggesting that many or most people who claim intolerances are 'making it up' but I'd be fairly sure that there are lots who don't have the intolerances that they claim. Take this very thread for example - seems some here who claim gluten intolerance are actually avoiding starches - not gluten.

happyviolet · 22-02-2014 05:54PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Well, some people do make up illnesses for the attention. There's a condition called Munchausens where people do just that. They sometimes make others ill to get attention (Munchausens by proxy). Now these would be on the extremes - it's a psychiatric disease. I'm certainly not suggesting that many or most people who claim intolerances are 'making it up' but I'd be fairly sure that there are lots who don't have the intolerances that they claim. Take this very thread for example - seems some here who claim gluten intolerance are actually avoiding starches - not gluten.

Oh sorry, I forgot about Munchausens. It's just that the other post really got under my skin, the way is said it's "cool" to have bipolar or asperger's, as if it was some sort of a trend.

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