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Religious obsessed by Atheism

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  • #32
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    B_Rabbit wrote: »
    Compare the front page of A&A and Christianity and you'll clearly see that Atheists are far more obsessed with theists than the other way around.

    The Christianity and A&A forums can only be considered reflective of the people who post there, not reflective of Christians or atheists generally.

    Why are theists obsessed with atheism?
    Why are atheists obsessed with Christianity?
    Why are Liverpool fans obsessed with Man United?

    Who knows? I guess some people define themselves on the basis of what they are opposed to rather than what they are for. Bit of a blanket generalisation in this thread title though, to say the least.


  • #33
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    catallus wrote: »
    I think it is of paramount importance that the "tentacles" of the only organisation in the country which promotes moral and intellectual rigour remains, and hopefully becomes more firmly entrenched, in our society in the coming years and decades.

    Notwithstanding the deluded propagandist pipe-dreams of immoral paganists the influence and moral guidance of religion grows stronger worldwide.

    So my family aren't moral because we're not of any faith?


    Hahahahahaha. I won't be listening to a church that forced abused children who wet the bed into baths of jeyes fluid. Or a church that moved abusers on and then insured themselves against claims.


  • #34
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    nobody can force you to listen; the important thing for your soul is only that you hear.


  • #35
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    catallus wrote: »
    nobody can force you to listen; the important thing for your soul is only that you hear.

    What do you mean by this exactly?


  • #36
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    catallus wrote: »
    nobody can force you to listen; the important thing for your soul is only that you hear.

    I don't have a soul.


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  • #37
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Eramen wrote: »
    Yes, it seems that nearly everyone knows 'that atheist' who even at the merest hint of anything remotely to do with religion, immediately flies into nonsensical tirades,

    For every one of them there's c.1,000,000 John Waters'es.


  • #38
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    catallus wrote: »
    nobody can force you to listen

    So then why are you shouting your nonsensical rantings at us.

    catallus [sic], I said it before, and I'll say it again, but you've nothing valuable to add to this debate or anything else debated in A&A.


  • #39
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    What do you mean by this exactly?

    I'm glad you asked.

    You see, the refusal to engage with or listen to the wisdom of religion is a symptom of the narcissistic and morally blind egotism which is caused by the modern cult of the individual.

    Members of this cult find the idea of being answerable to any perceived "higher power" abhorrent. My own thinking on it is that it is a case of arrested development, the continuation of juvenile delinquency writ large into adult life.

    And so we have grown adults declaring with glee that they have no soul; is there anything sadder than seeing one cut off one's nose to spite their face, for no better reason than they refuse to take responsibility for their society?


  • #40
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    catallus wrote: »
    I'm glad you asked.

    You see, the refusal to engage with or listen to the wisdom of religion is a symptom of the narcissistic and morally blind egotism which is caused by the modern cult of the individual.

    Members of this cult find the idea of being answerable to any perceived "higher power" abhorrent. My own thinking on it is that it is a case of arrested development, the continuation of juvenile delinquency writ large into adult life.

    And so we have grown adults declaring with glee that they have no soul; is there anything sadder than seeing one cut off one's nose to spite their face, for no better reason than they refuse to take responsibility for their society?
    Hahahahahahahahah.
    Hahahahahahahahah.


    I'll concentrate on raising good upstanding members of.society who don't need a church to tell them how to be decent people. And they won't have any worries about souls troubling them.


  • #41
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    catallus wrote: »
    I'm glad you asked.

    You see, the refusal to engage with or listen to the wisdom of religion is a symptom of the narcissistic and morally blind egotism which is caused by the modern cult of the individual.

    Members of this cult find the idea of being answerable to any perceived "higher power" abhorrent. My own thinking on it is that it is a case of arrested development, the continuation of juvenile delinquency writ large into adult life.

    The refusal to engage with or listen to the law is a symptom of the narcissistic and morally-blind attitude of "defend the Reich Church at all costs!" which is caused by the ancient cult of authoritarianism.

    The hierarchy of this cult find the idea of loss of power and influence abhorrent. My own thinking on it is that it is a case of addiction to power.


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  • #42
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,276 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    catallus wrote: »
    I'm glad you asked.

    You see, the refusal to engage with or listen to the wisdom of religion is a symptom of the narcissistic and morally blind egotism which is caused by the modern cult of the individual.

    Members of this cult find the idea of being answerable to any perceived "higher power" abhorrent. My own thinking on it is that it is a case of arrested development, the continuation of juvenile delinquency writ large into adult life.

    And so we have grown adults declaring with glee that they have no soul; is there anything sadder than seeing one cut off one's nose to spite their face, for no better reason than they refuse to take responsibility for their society?

    How can one be a member of the cult of the individual?

    The rest of your posts make even less sense, as per usual. I particularly like your assertion that the catholic church is the only organisation in the country which promotes moral and intellectual rigour.

    Hilarious.


  • #43
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Whatever about the humourous value of my posts(I don't find them that funny, tbh, and I can only surmise that it is a desperate and futile search for a rational response to my reasonable statements that is provoking such forced hilarity among posters here, and I haven't even mentioned biscuits, which seems to be a kind of defensive trigger for some in these parts) I can't see how my main thrust can be denied. A man cannot live by bread alone; to say that a person can live a whole life without some idea of the transcendental is a vicious lie, and the realisation, which comes to some sooner than others, that religion is a part of humanity as unavoidable as breathing, is something that needs to be promoted and held as an ideal for our society.

    That said, the valid point is that lust for power, and the greedy holding onto that power is perhaps as dark a stain as any other on organised religion; but the blanket denial of religious and cultural freedom which is being tried on due to those terrible sins is something which should be resisted by all right thinking people.

    It should come as no surprise that any church would attempt to keep its power; whether such attempts are valid is a question which could be discussed until the cows come home; but the fact is is that those who profess no faith define themselves exclusively in contrast with pre-existing structures and openly attempt to take the righteousness deserved by ancient authoritarian (no, it isn't a dirty word) regimes.


  • #44
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    catallus wrote: »
    [...] the refusal to engage with or listen [...]
    catallus wrote: »
    [...] a case of arrested development [...]
    Hey, catallus (sic), A+A is a debating forum where you are expected to interact with your fellow posters, much in the same was as they interact with you. A+A is not a place where you can continually foghorn your prepacked sermons regardless of what's going on around you.

    BTW, in case you haven't noticed, some people are actually trying to speak with you. It would be considered polite for you to respond at some point. It might even give you a chance to dust off some of that moral and intellectual rigour that you keep going on about, but haven't yet had time to deploy.


  • #45
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    I'm not foghorning or shouting at all!

    I am interacting! I'm looking forward to the new charter where whataboutery is going to be banned; it is one aspect of free speech which I always thought was brought to silly extremes on this forum especially and condoned way too much for that matter.

    It would make it ever so helpful for a consistent discussion to occur, where people could actually talk with open minds and hearts.


  • #46
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Apples and oranges: the Christianity subforum gets far less posts than here every day.

    They are probably too busy not giving a sh1t.


  • #47
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,276 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    catallus wrote: »
    I am interacting!

    How are you interacting with the members of this forum when you come up with this type of offensive tripe:
    I think it is of paramount importance that the "tentacles" of the only organisation in the country which promotes moral and intellectual rigour remains, and hopefully becomes more firmly entrenched, in our society in the coming years and decades.


  • #48
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    What the hell is offensive about that!?


  • #49
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    They are probably too busy not giving a sh1t.
    It's easy not to give a sh1t when you're on the pig's back.


  • #50
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Dades wrote: »
    It's easy not to give a sh1t when you're on the pig's back.

    Actually its easy not to give a sh1t at all, you should try it :pac:


  • #51
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    What is it people confusing discussion topics with an obsession for something? Are people who post in the mustard forum obsessed with mustard? Possibly, but not all are. Some just have a fleeting interest in it. Lots of stuff on this forum may have religious undertones but that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone who posts here is obsessed with religion. Some people are obsessed with others business; other's aren't. By and large throughout history these people of power and very often they happened to be religious or spiritual clergy. The most amazing thing about our current time is that we've actually managed to liberate ourselves from cultural shackles so much that what others get up to is mostly none of our business unless there's severe harm involved.


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  • #52
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    catallus wrote: »
    I'm glad you asked.

    You see, the refusal to engage with or listen to the wisdom of religion is a symptom of the narcissistic and morally blind egotism which is caused by the modern cult of the individual.

    You see the thing is we're not getting back into the closet. We're not going to give ye back the privileged position in society. We're not going to let ye opress us any more. And I'm not talking about atheists alone, I'm talking about the vast majority of humanity who want religious freedoms for all.

    There is no wisdom in religion. For example your "holy book" states that the world is c.6,000 years old, the universe created in six days, was created twice (well how else do you reconcile the two mutually incompatible creation stories in genesis), is the centre of the universe and is flat and rectangular. Now this is the font and sole accepted source of all "wisdom" in christianity so how can you expect any rational thinking person in posession of the facts to accept that there is any wisdom in christianity? And in all honesty, christianity is probably one of the least batty of the religions, vis a vis reality.


  • #53
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    catallus wrote: »
    What the hell is offensive about that!?

    Your advocating the empowerment of an organisation that by its very actions condones and encourages the mass rape of children by members of it's hierarchy.


  • #54
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    ^^^^

    How on earth are you getting any of that stuff from the bible? You've obviously never deigned to read it.


  • #55
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    Your advocating the empowerment of an organisation that by its very actions condones and encourages the mass rape of children by members of it's hierarchy.

    Yeah yeah, encouraging the mass rape of children, riiiight.

    I can see, in my mind's eye, your brains dribbling down your face, you clown. Using the tragedy of societal abuse to castigate the church for the simple purpose of sating your own seething hatred is odious, can you not see that?


  • #56
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    robindch wrote: »
    [...] might even give you a chance to dust off some of that moral and intellectual rigour [...]
    catallus wrote: »
    [...] your brains dribbling down your face, you clown [...]
    Bzzt. Red card.

    Your next violation of the spirit or word of the charter will see you taking (another?) holiday.


  • #57
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    expectationlost wrote: »
    what is it with this people who claim to happy in their faith but are obssesed by atheism huh?

    Can you give examples from Irish Society? From my years of virtual encounters with non-Irish atheists, I think you are mistaken - if not deliberately misleading - in saying that theists are obsessed with atheism.

    Even to look at the Countries to the the East and West of us, you will see that the atheist movements are the antagonists. Their 'raison d'etre' is to counter whatever advertisement Christians are running... but strangely enough, I never see any campaigns directed against Allah or his prophet. I wonder why?


  • #58
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    [...]I wonder why?

    Because hatred and cowardice are often seen parading together as enlightenment?


  • #59
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,146 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Can you give examples from Irish Society? From my years of virtual encounters with non-Irish atheists, I think you are mistaken - if not deliberately misleading - in saying that theists are obsessed with atheism.

    Even to look at the Countries to the the East and West of us, you will see that the atheist movements are the antagonists. Their 'raison d'etre' is to counter whatever advertisement Christians are running... but strangely enough, I never see any campaigns directed against Allah or his prophet. I wonder why?

    i can give you examples from this board


  • #60
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    lazybones32 wrote: »
    Their 'raison d'etre' is to counter whatever advertisement Christians are running... but strangely enough, I never see any campaigns directed against Allah or his prophet. I wonder why?

    Islam isn't as deeply ingrained in western states as Christianity.

    Technically speaking, there are just as many campaigns directed against Allah as there are against God - mainly because they're essentially the same deity.


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  • #61
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,146 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Jernal wrote: »
    What is it people confusing discussion topics with an obsession for something? Are people who post in the mustard forum obsessed with mustard? Possibly, but not all are. Some just have a fleeting interest in it. Lots of stuff on this forum may have religious undertones but that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone who posts here is obsessed with religion. Some people are obsessed with others business; other's aren't. By and large throughout history these people of power and very often they happened to be religious or spiritual clergy. The most amazing thing about our current time is that we've actually managed to liberate ourselves from cultural shackles so much that what others get up to is mostly none of our business unless there's severe harm involved.

    you've seen the amount of replies of certain reilgious posters on others threads i call that obsessed


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