Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

Richard Hillman · 17-02-2014 12:15PM

The analysis on Ozil during the 5-1 Liverpool-Arsenal match annoyed me. I didnt see the game and by all account he played badly. But they showed a corner where Ozil was standing at the edge of the defensive box and not marking anybody nor have a Liverpool player even close to him. He was being lambasted as not trying hard enough etc. Did it not occur to any of the "experts" that he was actually told to that as a counter attacking option. I find it hard to believe that he was just standing there for the laugh.

Also people that complain about Zonal marking yet always talk about having a man on the post. Having a player on the post is in effect zonal marking.

Agueroooo · 17-02-2014 04:06PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The analysis on Ozil during the 5-1 Liverpool-Arsenal match annoyed me. I didnt see the game and by all account he played badly. But they showed a corner where Ozil was standing at the edge of the defensive box and not marking anybody nor have a Liverpool player even close to him. He was being lambasted as not trying hard enough etc. Did it not occur to any of the "experts" that he was actually told to that as a counter attacking option. I find it hard to believe that he was just standing there for the laugh.

Also people that complain about Zonal marking yet always talk about having a man on the post. Having a player on the post is in effect zonal marking.

Nahhh.

Ozil wasn't arsed in that game, and I have also commented on it many times about how he goes missing in games with around 15min left to play, and got some scorn in return for calling it.

thought it was fitness but now have my doubts

but he did show up yesterday and it might be the return of the Ozil we all know.

so I think people called him out right for his lacklustre display at Anfield...nothing to be annoyed about.

kfallon · 17-02-2014 04:18PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Ozil wasn't arsed in that game, and I have also commented on it many times about how he goes missing in games with around 15min left to play, and got some scorn in return for calling it.

Didn't Mourinho ALWAYS take him off around the 70-75min mark when he was at Real? I'd say he has to come off then, prob dying for a fag :pac:

brevity · 17-02-2014 04:18PM

The pluralization of nouns.

"Your Messi's, Ronaldo's, Connor Salmon's"

It's really annoying.

Lucas Hood · 17-02-2014 04:37PM

kfallon wrote: »

Didn't Mourinho ALWAYS take him off around the 70-75min mark when he was at Real? I'd say he has to come off then, prob dying for a fag :pac:

At Real he only played 90 mins 26 times in 105 League games. He's already completed 90 mins 12 times for Arsenal in just 21 league games.

He's not used to playing this much.

Agueroooo · 17-02-2014 04:42PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

At Real he only played 90 mins 26 times in 105 League games. He's already completed 90 mins 12 times for Arsenal in just 21 league games.

He's not used to playing this much.

Wow that's an amazing stat: 26/105 :eek:

he better get used to playing 90mins on regular basis like the other 99.9% of professional footballers.

17-02-2014 04:53PM

brevity wrote: »

"Your Messi's, Ronaldo's, Connor Salmon's".

That's the holy Trinty of world football right there.

17-02-2014 08:20PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Nahhh.

Ozil wasn't arsed in that game, and I have also commented on it many times about how he goes missing in games with around 15min left to play, and got some scorn in return for calling it.

thought it was fitness but now have my doubts

but he did show up yesterday and it might be the return of the Ozil we all know.

so I think people called him out right for his lacklustre display at Anfield...nothing to be annoyed about.

You got some scorn for saying it because in one match thread you said he went missing in the last 15 minutes when he was Arsenal's best player in the last 15 minutes and you were just talking nonsense.

dreamers75 · 17-02-2014 11:17PM

CSF wrote: »

It is all relative to tempo and the players around them. I'd be a technical genius playing in an under 12s game, couldn't close to hold my own even at AUL level. The so-called brutish centre backs of the Premiership would nearly all be silky ball playing centre backs at LOI level. The guys that the media say that about are able to do that even amongst some of the best opponents in the world.

No seriously its a professional footballer, someone whose job it is to kick a football. Take a touch and look up and bring the ball out.

Level is irrelevant I am talking about well paid professionals who cannot do that simple thing.

bucketybuck · 17-02-2014 11:56PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

No seriously its a professional footballer, someone whose job it is to kick a football. Take a touch and look up and bring the ball out.

Level is irrelevant I am talking about well paid professionals who cannot do that simple thing.

Of course level is relevant, what a stupid thing to come out with.

What you don't seem to grasp is that simply bringing the ball out is not actually that simple when some of the fittest and fastest professional footballers in the world are actively trying to stop you.

dreamers75 · 17-02-2014 11:59PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Of course level is relevant, what a stupid thing to come out with.

What you don't seem to grasp is that simply bringing the ball out is not actually that simple when some of the fittest and fastest professional footballers in the world are actively trying to stop you.

And shouldnt said CB not be one of them too?

CSF · 18-02-2014 01:04AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

And shouldnt said CB not be one of them too?

Yes but not all of them are as talented as each other. Certain players need a lot more time on it than others to use it effectively, obviously they are capable of performing the physical acts of carrying a ball out of defence and of passing the ball but being able to do those things effectively when being pressed by players of the highest level takes another level of quality altogether. It's why you'll see Spanish teams work it out a lot more, the tempo is generally a lot slower and more time to work it out than the often ping-pong tempo nature of English football.

Which is why many managers wouldn't even allow certain players to try work the ball out under pressure, because it just isn't worth the risk of what happens when it goes wrong.

These lads are paid professionals, they are better at these skills than you or I, they're just not enough better at it than the opposition are at pressing them.

padd b1975 · 18-02-2014 06:55AM

brevity wrote: »

The pluralization of nouns.

"Your Messi's, Ronaldo's, Connor Salmon's"

It's really annoying.

Yep, popular annoyance that one.

To make it worse, I always seem to read it in a Mark Lawrenson type accent:(

'For me' instead of 'I think' is another one, I can't recall ever hearing it being used outside of soccer discussions.

Iused2likebusts · 18-02-2014 08:48AM

The use of the words "the group" that every manager is talking about now .Also when managers in the premier league call it the " barclays premier league " owen coyle used to and tony pulis constantly refer to this barclays must love them.

Leftist · 18-02-2014 10:03AM

people who mistake ridiculous defensiveness over their club with loyalty.

iDave · 18-02-2014 10:13AM

People moaning about international/FA Cup breaks.
Its still football FFS.

Green Giant · 18-02-2014 11:45AM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Also when managers in the premier league call it the " barclays premier league " owen coyle used to and tony pulis constantly refer to this barclays must love them.

I could be wrong but I think managers are obliged to give it the 'full' title when referring to the Premier League in interviews. Which in itself is a rather sad state of affairs.

One thing that I dislike intensely about the sport is the willingness of teams to wear away kits when there is no colour clash. I realise that sportswear companies will want to give all of their designs as much exposure as possible, but the case of Everton v Swansea the other day took the biscuit. Swansea's away kit is harder to distinguish from Everton's than the home one!

On a similar note, I recall Portsmouth wearing a navy change kit for every away match in their first Premier League season 10 years ago. Didn't matter whether they were playing Liverpool, Wolves, Tottenham or whoever, if Pompey were away they wore the change kit. Madness!

citytillidie · 18-02-2014 11:54AM

Green Giant wrote: »

I could be wrong but I think managers are obliged to give it the 'full' title when referring to the Premier League in interviews. Which in itself is a rather sad state of affairs.

One thing that I dislike intensely about the sport is the willingness of teams to wear away kits when there is no colour clash. I realise that sportswear companies will want to give all of their designs as much exposure as possible, but the case of Everton v Swansea the other day took the biscuit. Swansea's away kit is harder to distinguish from Everton's than the home one!

On a similar note, I recall Portsmouth wearing a navy change kit for every away match in their first Premier League season 10 years ago. Didn't matter whether they were playing Liverpool, Wolves, Tottenham or whoever, if Pompey were away they wore the change kit. Madness!

Expect more of that if FIFA want this years world cup to a light colour kit V dark colour kit

Shanotheslayer · 18-02-2014 01:24PM

iDave wrote: »

People moaning about international/FA Cup breaks.
Its still football FFS.

So is lads playing in a park, but doesn't mean they want to watch it.

TheDoc · 19-02-2014 12:16PM

Diving and making a meal of tackles is the main one for me. Has changed football for me for the worse forever.

players going down just at the first point of contact and stuff. It's really saddens and annoys me to see.
Watching the City Barca game last night, Negrado got jumped over by Alves and clattered by Valdes, yet he got penalised for standing his ground.
Genuinelly feel it's a massive negative on the game and it's a poor showing on UEFA and FIFA that nothing is done to tackle it.

I also dislike the harrassment of referees. Sure they make bad decisions, but the surrounding of them and badgering is embarrasing to see. Should be yellow card and red card offences brought in, to stamp it out overnight, Other sports put Football to shame in this regard.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 19-02-2014 02:40PM

I have to agree on the badgering of refs, you wouldn't see it in rugby and I don't think it's as big a problem in GAA either. It's tolerated far too much, I barely ever see a player walk away without debating it with the ref, even when the correct decision was made.

Nuri Sahin · 19-02-2014 02:43PM

iDave wrote: »

People moaning about international/FA Cup breaks.
Its still football FFS.

Meh. Some people prefer club football over international football, big whoop.

eyescreamcone · 19-02-2014 02:50PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I have to agree on the badgering of refs, you wouldn't see it in rugby and I don't think it's as big a problem in GAA either. It's tolerated far too much, I barely ever see a player walk away without debating it with the ref, even when the correct decision was made.

...the GAA's problem is the fans running on and attacking the ref as per a recent Meath v Louth Leinster final or cases where refs were locked in boots of cars. Madness!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 19-02-2014 04:38PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

...the GAA's problem is the fans running on and attacking the ref as per a recent Meath v Louth Leinster final or cases where refs were locked in boots of cars. Madness!

Your right about that, part of the problem there is the lack of security in Croker. In general its not needed that much but when it gets out of hand there isn't anyone to stop it.

I hadn't heard about the car boot story (Before my time) thats insane alright.

keeponhurling · 19-02-2014 04:49PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I have to agree on the badgering of refs, you wouldn't see it in rugby and I don't think it's as big a problem in GAA either. It's tolerated far too much, I barely ever see a player walk away without debating it with the ref, even when the correct decision was made.

In GAA they just move the free forward (increasing the chance if it being scored), think its similar in rugby.

In soccer it seems the referee is perfectly happy to hold up the game and explain the decision over and over again to various players.
Also they shouldn't have to explain rules I.e. tell people not to pull jerseys.
In professional soccer, the rules of the game should be assumed knowledge for all participants

Richard Hillman · 19-02-2014 07:31PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

The use of the words "the group" that every manager is talking about now .Also when managers in the premier league call it the " barclays premier league " owen coyle used to and tony pulis constantly refer to this barclays must love them.

As Greengiant said, managers are obliged to call it that. I think they get the reminder before every press conference and on game day. I hear Barclays are actually pulling out of their EPL sponsorship.

Unless they start calling the league "The Barclays League" then I dont think it would be worth the price they pay for it.

Richard Hillman · 19-02-2014 07:34PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I also dislike the harrassment of referees. Sure they make bad decisions, but the surrounding of them and badgering is embarrasing to see. Should be yellow card and red card offences brought in, to stamp it out overnight, Other sports put Football to shame in this regard.

The thing is if refs really wanted to stop being harassed they can. For some reason they are afraid to stand up against it. They are fully entitled by the rules to book the players.

Totally agree with you BTW. It has started to creep into cricket lately too. Cricket used to be the epitome of the Umpire has total 100% respect.

CSF · 19-02-2014 07:39PM

When people compare football to rugby.

Ardent · 19-02-2014 09:59PM

I've said this before on this thread but it's worth repeating - awarding a penalty AND a red card is way too harsh. Red cards should reserved for fouls outside the box.

Two teams and two games ruined by double whammies over the past two evenings.

Al Capwned · 19-02-2014 10:00PM

Ronnie Whelan.

Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

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