Season 4, Episode 10 - Inmates [AMC] [SPOILERS]

wandatowell · 18-02-2014 09:04PM

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Boring episode, becoming consistently poor tv show now.

Taelated · 18-02-2014 09:31PM

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ricero wrote: »

so is Lizzy basically Ben from the comics but they just changed the gender ? and Mika is Billy ?

Yeah I think she did.

I agree that they do try to confuse you a lot sometimes-Glen in/not in the bus? Kid dead/alive at the rail tracks (the boot they focus on)

I am glad to

see Carol back though

!!

giggii · 18-02-2014 09:54PM

5

Thought this episode was a major improvement on the previous one, the pace had improved and we got a bit more of an insight into the characters (Although, as a previous poster said, there's definitely a reason why the actress playing Beth has had limited lines to date...)

I do however think that combining episodes 9 and 10 into one tighter, more condensed episode would have made one very good episode. Both episodes were slightly over-drawn out, and I think that an episode essentially combining the two would have made a pretty decent season opener!

Over all it was a decent episode though

username123 · 18-02-2014 11:12PM

C'mon, Daryl makes new arrows, he's quite the woodsman!

I liked it. I liked the first half better. I enjoyed the jumbled timeline and seeing Carol again.

Maggie kind of bores me. I like Glenn on his own better. I liked that he did a whole Magyver escape in full riot gear and homemade firebomb (although it's news that walkers are attracted to fire!). I'm confused as to how he got left off the bus though. The bunny thing confused me a bit too. Where did those bunnies come from?

Overall if I were in this world and could choose one person to be wandering with it'd be a hard call between Daryl, Michonne and Glenn. Glenn has a huge walker kill rate and overall a better personality. But Daryl and Michonne are serious bad asses. But they're so dour, particularly Daryl.

willmunny1990 · 18-02-2014 11:16PM

username123 wrote: »

C'mon, Daryl makes new arrows, he's quite the woodsman!

I liked it. I liked the first half better. I enjoyed the jumbled timeline and seeing Carol again.

Maggie kind of bores me. I like Glenn on his own better. I liked that he did a whole Magyver escape in full riot gear and homemade firebomb (although it's news that walkers are attracted to fire!). I'm confused as to how he got left off the bus though. The bunny thing confused me a bit too. Where did those bunnies come from?

Overall if I were in this world and could choose one person to be wandering with it'd be a hard call between Daryl, Michonne and Glenn. Glenn has a huge walker kill rate and overall a better personality. But Daryl and Michonne are serious bad asses. But they're so dour, particularly Daryl.

Ive never known wild rabbits to just hang around people so calmly either.

Bizarre moment.

naughto · 18-02-2014 11:43PM

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i must be the only one that dident want to see carol back(even though i knew she would at some stage)
that physco child def did kill the people in the prison and i think carol burt them after to make it look like she did it.

id pick Michonne to be left with she is one tough b1tch
you could all ways get a hand shandy after all the killing that she does.iam sure she has needs to.
but maggie is by far the one who you would bring home

http://www.maxim.com/girls-of-maxim/the-walking-dead-actress-lauren-cohan

Cork boy 55 · 18-02-2014 11:46PM

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willmunny1990 wrote: »

Ive never known wild rabbits to just hang around people so calmly either.

Bizarre moment.

"while Lizzie sits on a nearby log, home to two baby bunnies. She quietly removes her knife, and kills both of them. "

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Inmates

leggo · 18-02-2014 11:46PM

pixelburp wrote: »

So if it's not high praise it's bitter negativity? I gotta say, in all the time I've watched TV, or spoken with people who enjoy a good TV drama, I've not known anyone to watch a show just to hate on it, or do it myself.

You've never heard of hate-watching?

It's, like, a pretty big thing these days with people who discuss TV shows online. The Newsroom is probably the biggest hate-watch show out there, but TWD is up there too. Ever since season 1 people have been saying that this episode was the last straw. :pac:

willmunny1990 · 18-02-2014 11:52PM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

"while Lizzie sits on a nearby log, home to two baby bunnies. She quietly removes her knife, and kills both of them. "

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Inmates

Since when do logs that are out in the open become homes for baby rabbits?

Dont rabbits usually live in burrows?

Cork boy 55 · 18-02-2014 11:54PM

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That Irish lady Clara from start of season 4 is in this episode again as a biter apparently

Trivia

First appearance of Abraham Ford.
First appearance of Eugene Porter.
First appearance of Rosita Espinosa.
First (and last) appearance of Christopher.
First (and last) appearance of Christopher's Father.
Last appearance of Clara. (Zombified)
Last appearance of Alisha. (Corpse)
Last appearance of Achey Woman. (Zombified)
Last appearance of Sick Teenager. (Zombified)

The title of this episode refers to the sign on the road leading to the prison, which reads, "Hitchhikers may be escaped Inmates." The group is running away from the prison, three out of the five groups going along said road. The prison group is a bunch of "Inmates."

Many of the cast members showed up for the shooting of the scenes with the prison in them, claiming that "it was like saying goodbye to a character."
With Lilly's death, Tara is the sole survivor of The Governor's group and the Chambler family.

This episode shows the return of Carol Peletier after being absent for 5 episodes; she was last seen in "Indifference".

Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita are posed almost exactly as their Comic Series counterparts are on the cover of Issue 53 at the end of this episode.

This is the third episode that Rick Grimes does not appear in.

As of this episode, Scott Wilson (Hershel) and David Morrissey (The Governor) have been removed from the opening credits.

The stolen bottle of brandy that Bob had since "Indifference" is seen by Glenn at the prison. Glenn turned it in to a Molotov cocktail to aid in escaping the prison.

The bus in which the zombified prison residents are found is different than the one which originally left the prison; they are found in the Woodbury bus which initially brought them to the prison and was later used to block a fallen section of the fences, as opposed to the prison transport bus that had originally been used in the evacuation.

The orange backpack used by Glenn to pack supplies from the prison was the same backpack confiscated from the Hitchhiker in the episode "Clear".
http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Inmates

pixelburp · 19-02-2014 12:07AM

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leggo wrote: »

You've never heard of hate-watching?

It's, like, a pretty big thing these days with people who discuss TV shows online. The Newsroom is probably the biggest hate-watch show out there, but TWD is up there too.

Nope, honestly hadn't heard of that; it's actually a thing? Wow, pretty sad to be honest that people'd just watch a show to rage on it; isn't there enough good telly out there to watch?

leggo wrote: »

Ever since season 1 people have been saying that this episode was the last straw. :pac:

I've been at that point myself; jumped overboard before midway through season 3, only to come back for the season 4 premier. Can't say season 4 has me thinking of bailing again, I just wish the show'd find a groove or a little consistency.

pookiesboo · 19-02-2014 12:27AM

That Beth is effing useless. I thought Daryl was going to have to give her a piggyback at one stage.

Cork boy 55 · 19-02-2014 12:31AM

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willmunny1990 wrote: »

Since when do logs that are out in the open become homes for baby rabbits?

Dont rabbits usually live in burrows?

usually yes...
They can also make burrows in hollowed out logs in mature natural wild forests
also they can quite often use fallen logs as a windbreak instead of a cliff wall or ditch so the log becomes a extension of the burrow
http://stevegreerphotograph.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif

The lush mature natural wild forests of Georgia are quite beautiful and not a coillte spruce plantation in site

they most be filming in a state park

willmunny1990 · 19-02-2014 12:37AM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

usually yes...
They can also make burrows in hollowed out logs in mature natural wild forests
also they can quite often use fallen logs as a windbreak instead of a cliff wall or ditch so the log becomes a extension of the burrow
http://stevegreerphotograph.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif

The lush mature natural wild forests of Georgia are quite beautiful and not a coillte spruce plantation in site

I just thought the circumstances of the rabbits were very odd.

Not a very likely scenario at all although I wouldn't get caught up in it, it took nothing away from the episode IMO.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 19-02-2014 01:02AM

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pixelburp wrote: »

Nope, honestly hadn't heard of that; it's actually a thing? Wow, pretty sad to be honest that people'd just watch a show to rage on it; isn't there enough good telly out there to watch?

I've been at that point myself; jumped overboard before midway through season 3, only to come back for the season 4 premier. Can't say season 4 has me thinking of bailing again, I just wish the show'd find a groove or a little consistency.

Yeah, hate watching is definitely thing, although I don't think it really applies to this forum. Visit the Fair City or Coronation Street threads in the Soap forum though and you'll really understand hate watching. It's like dealing with 12 year olds...

I gave up on this show myself, halfway through Season 2 when they finally revealed Sophia had been in the barn the last 7 episodes they spent looking for her.
Went back again towards the end of Season 3 as I heard it had improved.

Nelson Muntz · 19-02-2014 01:05AM

5

So are the new characters going to be good or bad? I don't think I could sit through another Guv'nor story line.

gavmcg92 · 19-02-2014 01:25AM

3

leggo wrote: »

You've never heard of hate-watching?

It's, like, a pretty big thing these days with people who discuss TV shows online. The Newsroom is probably the biggest hate-watch show out there, but TWD is up there too. Ever since season 1 people have been saying that this episode was the last straw. :pac:

I like The Newsroom...

wonderfullife · 19-02-2014 03:18AM

irishfeen wrote: »

Jaysus i'm not even a father or anything but did anyone else find that that suffocating scene damn hard to watch - I knew it was acting but it would still send shivers down your spine.

What made that scene very uncomfortable was the baby using her hand to try get the actresses hand off her mouth.

In that respect, the director struck gold as he could never have anticipated such a "perfect" shot in the scene.

Whoever signed their child up to act in that scene though should be ashamed of themselves. The poor baby doesn't know it's acting and that type of thing must have been so frightening for the poor little girl.

Really not impressed with that scene whatsoever. For a variety of reasons. Not least because the baby cried in earlier scenes and she handed Tyrese a bottle. She could have let the baby suck her thumb, a bottle, anything.

The scene was inserted purely for shock value and to re-iterate the fact that Lizzy is a fruitcake. As usual, an American show feeling the need to beat their audience around the head to make a point. The rats, rabbits and other crazy behaviour not subtle enough hints that the girl is nutter, nope, cue sinister music and attempting to suffocate a baby.

That scene alone dictates why TWD can never, ever, be regarded amongst the top echelon of shows in recent memory. I remember very few scenes in Breaking Bad, The Wire, West Wing or Sopranos that needed a big flashing lightbulb spoon-feeding the audience a point.

Mezcita wrote: »

Who the hell gave this 10 out of 10!?!?!

Well, before i looked at the poll i figured Cork Boy for a 10/10 but i do admire his unwavering love for the show.

However, 10 out of 10 is clearly outlandish.

What i will say is this - anybody describing this episode as "filler" obviously a) doesn't know the meaning of filler and b) didn't sit through the season in the farm.

Filler, to me, is an unnecessary piece of material which does nothing to expand on the overall plot.

This episode most definitely is not filler. In fact, it's unarguable.

Imagine reading a book where a number of characters disappear from a certain place. For there to be zero explanation what happened to them would be a massive plot-hole. As such, all these episodes are massively relevant and necessary plot-wise. We need to see how, why and where the various groups escaped the prison.

Their escapes are absolutely a necessity to the plot. To call it filler is scandalous. It's vitally important. Equally, imagine the outrage and hysteria caused if the show fast-forwarded to the group together again with zero explanations as to how and why!! People would say it's jumped the shark!!

So, no, this was not a filler episode.

That's not to say it was perfect or brilliant either. It had a very strong opening monologue scene and hopes were high for a great episode. Ultimately though it was let down by several blatant WTF moments.

Tyrese leaving the 2 girls to carry a baby, i'm sorry but no man/woman/adult worth their salt would leave 2 children alone with a baby in those circumstances.

Carol re-appearing. Utter contrivance. I accept artistic license in all shows but for her to show up at exactly that time and place beggars belief.

There's many more examples in the episode of contrivances and plain stupidity.

Awarding this episode 10/10 is actually quite insulting to an episode like "Clear" which was everything that is good about this show. And frankly that baby scene should immediately knock a few points off any rating. Not only was it horrendously awful to watch, it was there purely to flag up in capital flashing letters "LIZZY IS A FRUITLOOP". Sorry i must have been too slow from the last 8 episodes to get that vibe, i'll try keep up in future.

6/10.

Flippyfloppy · 19-02-2014 08:31AM

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wonderfullife wrote: »

What made that scene very uncomfortable was the baby using her hand to try get the actresses hand off her mouth.

In that respect, the director struck gold as he could never have anticipated such a "perfect" shot in the scene.

Whoever signed their child up to act in that scene though should be ashamed of themselves. The poor baby doesn't know it's acting and that type of thing must have been so frightening for the poor little girl.

Really not impressed with that scene whatsoever. For a variety of reasons. Not least because the baby cried in earlier scenes and she handed Tyrese a bottle. She could have let the baby suck her thumb, a bottle, anything.

The scene was inserted purely for shock value and to re-iterate the fact that Lizzy is a fruitcake. As usual, an American show feeling the need to beat their audience around the head to make a point. The rats, rabbits and other crazy behaviour not subtle enough hints that the girl is nutter, nope, cue sinister music and attempting to suffocate a baby.

That scene alone dictates why TWD can never, ever, be regarded amongst the top echelon of shows in recent memory. I remember very few scenes in Breaking Bad, The Wire, West Wing or Sopranos that needed a big flashing lightbulb spoon-feeding the audience a point.

Well, before i looked at the poll i figured Cork Boy for a 10/10 but i do admire his unwavering love for the show.

However, 10 out of 10 is clearly outlandish.

What i will say is this - anybody describing this episode as "filler" obviously a) doesn't know the meaning of filler and b) didn't sit through the season in the farm.

Filler, to me, is an unnecessary piece of material which does nothing to expand on the overall plot.

This episode most definitely is not filler. In fact, it's unarguable.

Imagine reading a book where a number of characters disappear from a certain place. For there to be zero explanation what happened to them would be a massive plot-hole. As such, all these episodes are massively relevant and necessary plot-wise. We need to see how, why and where the various groups escaped the prison.

Their escapes are absolutely a necessity to the plot. To call it filler is scandalous. It's vitally important. Equally, imagine the outrage and hysteria caused if the show fast-forwarded to the group together again with zero explanations as to how and why!! People would say it's jumped the shark!!

So, no, this was not a filler episode.

That's not to say it was perfect or brilliant either. It had a very strong opening monologue scene and hopes were high for a great episode. Ultimately though it was let down by several blatant WTF moments.

Tyrese leaving the 2 girls to carry a baby, i'm sorry but no man/woman/adult worth their salt would leave 2 children alone with a baby in those circumstances.

Carol re-appearing. Utter contrivance. I accept artistic license in all shows but for her to show up at exactly that time and place beggars belief.

There's many more examples in the episode of contrivances and plain stupidity.

Awarding this episode 10/10 is actually quite insulting to an episode like "Clear" which was everything that is good about this show. And frankly that baby scene should immediately knock a few points off any rating. Not only was it horrendously awful to watch, it was there purely to flag up in capital flashing letters "LIZZY IS A FRUITLOOP". Sorry i must have been too slow from the last 8 episodes to get that vibe, i'll try keep up in future.

6/10.

As a parent I hate HATED the baby's suffocating scene. And I dread to think how they filmed it?! However I think it confirmed for a lot of people that Lizzie murdered the sick people. And left a lot of people wondering whether Carol saw her trying to suffocate Judith when she stumbled upon them at that moment. Now, if they don't address that, then I'll be peed off.

I gave it a nine because I'm a huge fan. So much more happened compared to last week. (I'm not a huge Klumsy Karl fan)

pixelburp · 19-02-2014 08:55AM

5

Seems to me like there's a slow-burn going on with Lizzie, where eventually she's going to fully indulge her growing morbid fascination with taking lives; perhaps she'll try to kill one of the main cast (yeah I get there's a good chance she could already have, but given those were no-name extras it doesn't really count, it was just a handy mystery). Maybe she'll get lucky and meet a Harry Morgan to teach her The Code

I think the baby suffocation was an awful scene, in most senses of the word. I'm not a father but it was extremely uncomfortable to watch and as already mentioned what was done would have been enough to potentially cause the child damage anyway. Certainly if there's no pay-off on the Lizzie storyline it'll just server to make the suffocation scene more needless and brutal than it already was.

pc7 · 19-02-2014 09:35AM

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wonderfullife wrote: »

Whoever signed their child up to act in that scene though should be ashamed of themselves. The poor baby doesn't know it's acting and that type of thing must have been so frightening for the poor little girl.
.

I very much felt that if I was a parent I wouldn't want either of my children in those roles (judith or lizzie), very dark stuff, I had to cover my eyes. So in the drama sense it worked but jebus I wouldn't put my child through that.
Felt they should have put some of this weeks story with last weeks and that would have improved both. Was a bit disappointed that they didn't do much with Daryl this week. All in all not too bad, I haven't read the comics but glad to see new people come in.

username123 · 19-02-2014 10:18AM

I cant say I was affected by the baby suffocating scene they way many people on here seem to have been. I certainly thought "oh no, is she going to kill the baby" - but I didnt feel emotionally distressed by it at all. Nor did I think it seemed realistic enough that the baby actor would have been frightened. I must rewatch, perhaps I didnt watch it properly or missed a bit.

naughto · 19-02-2014 10:20AM

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Any one else thing that they could have used a doll for the scene but made it look like a child suffering

the_monkey · 19-02-2014 10:22AM

2

You can be sure the kid didn't suffer - brutal episode anyway.

Amazed I still watch it - same every week ... just close up shots of zombies heads been kicked in .

username123 · 19-02-2014 10:26AM

naughto wrote: »

Any one else thing that they could have used a doll for the scene but made it look like a child suffering

Doesnt look like a doll.

The-Walking-Dead-Lizzie-smothers-Judith-Brighton-Sharbino.jpg

Yakuza · 19-02-2014 11:26AM

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username123 wrote: »

Doesnt look like a doll.

They're not saying they did, they're saying they *could have* to avoid comments about the welfare of the actress. I found that scene pretty uncomfortable (3 kids, the youngest of whom is not much older than Judith) and If I were the parent of that actress I'd have been fairly pissed at the directors.

I liked the non-linear unfolding of the episode, a new (ish) departure, (not counting flashbacks which could be a jump of several months or days into the past).

username123 · 19-02-2014 11:46AM

Yakuza wrote: »

They're not saying they did, they're saying they *could have* to avoid comments about the welfare of the actress.

I get ya, I dont think it would have been as effective with a doll tbh.

Grimebox · 19-02-2014 02:39PM

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username123 wrote: »

Doesnt look like a doll.

It somehow doesn't look like a doll but it absolutely has to be some kind of trickery. One the most popular shows in the world takes part in some baby torture for the sake of a scene? Yeah there isn't a hope in hell that happened. I thought the scene was very convincing and quite shocking. Well done to them.

wonderfullife · 19-02-2014 03:20PM

Grimebox wrote: »

It somehow doesn't look like a doll but it absolutely has to be some kind of trickery. One the most popular shows in the world takes part in some baby torture for the sake of a scene? Yeah there isn't a hope in hell that happened. I thought the scene was very convincing and quite shocking. Well done to them.

I strongly believe that the actress who played Lizzy did in fact put her hand over the baby. The baby reaching her hand out to try pull "Lizzys" hand away, was far too realistic to be trickery.

Now, they could have cut away then and used trickery beyond that. So , for example, it was only a brief second with the hand over the mouth and the rest of it is trickery.

Incidentally, given the disastrous nature of some of the CGI and the overall budget, i wouldn't hold my breath on them having used trickery. No pun intended.

Nervous Wreck · 19-02-2014 10:32PM

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Best thing they can do now is select a couple of characters and have them off on their own indefinitely. When the group reforms, they'll be coming up with new and 'inventive' ways for them to separate every episode ("We need to do a supply run two towns over. We'll be back in a few episodes.. er, hours...."). It's tired at this stage.

Season 4, Episode 10 - Inmates [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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