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Why don't we riot like mad ejits

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  • #32
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Have they not been in the media saying how no one will buy their bonds now..................

    and now they are one of the fastest growing economies in the world, having under 3% unemployed people... **** the bonds , they are doing well


  • #33
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    No, no they didn't. Also, we're in better shape than Iceland - we also have over 20 times the population


    Iceland is in better shape than us, population does not matter, and if it does matter to you, then divide Ireland into 300k sectors and do the same..


  • #34
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    kult wrote: »
    Iceland is in better shape than us, population does not matter, and if it does matter to you, then divide Ireland into 300k sectors and do the same..

    This economics stuff, its all so easy isn't it.
    Presumably your next idea is to tax the rich at 90%?


  • #35
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Abolish income tax, to create employment. Never tax rich, as it does not make sense. Economics by Freidman might be difficult for you alright.


  • #36
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    kult wrote: »
    Abolish income tax, to create employment. Never tax rich, as it does not make sense. Economics by Freidman might be difficult for you alright.

    Are you sure you didn't mean that I to be a 2nd e?:)


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  • #37
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    If you abolish income tax, people have more money to spend, which creates jobs. Lets say you need to buy shoes, go to the town, take bus, give bus driver job, pay vat on the ticket, buy shoes, give manufacturer, shop assistant, delivery guy job and more and you pay vat on that, everyone benefits from it. But if we are being punished by income tax for good work and lazy bastard on social are being awarded with my taxes for doing **** all day then economy is what it is...


  • #38
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Everyone wants *something* to be done. The problem is nobody can agree on what that is.

    The truth is people won't take to the streets until they feel they have nothing to lose. And as much as it sucks to be on the dole; it's still pretty good compared to a lot of places. And if you have the right mentality it can be pretty decent. When the government is paying for your health care, your transportation, your rent, and your beer money - exactly how much rage can you muster for the revolution? Not a lot.

    The lower-paid, but working folk, have it pretty good by international standards. Minimum wage is high and the amount of protection/job security/benefits the law mandates are a lot better than many countries.

    The 'middle' class in Ireland don't fare as good as the middle class in some other countries - I'm thinking CA and the US - but whatever. Taxes are pretty high for them....but so what. These are people with good jobs, good education, a nice place to live and a nice car if they want it. They aren't going to protest because they need to be at work and they'd rather worry about their next holiday. Yes, tax increases are hurting them a bit - but it's not like they aren't still buying new iPhones each year.

    The 'rich' people are....rich. They are a small percentage of the population with all the political clout in the world. They won't riot, they'll just pay the people they need to pay to get things the way they want it.

    And even if you did get enough people together for a riot....what would your goal be? Good luck finding one everyone would agree with. Half the people would be fighting to lower their taxes so they could keep their money instead of paying someone else's healthcare and lost of living. The other half would be fighting for higher taxes so they could afford a higher standard of living while not working. Half the people would want immigrants to stop stealing jobs, the other half would want it to be easier for Ireland to get the workers it needs.

    You'd end up with a bunch of unhappy people standing around expressing their unhappiness and general ideas they don't like. 'Booo! We don't like corrupt politicians! Boo! We don't like unfair taxes! Booo! We don't like rich bankers!' but that's about it.


  • #39
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Riot.
    Break stuff.
    Government implements a new tax to pay for the the repairs.
    Now you're worse off than before.


  • #40
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    Riot.
    Break stuff.
    Government implements a new tax to pay for the the repairs.
    Now you're worse off than before.

    stupid people destroy stuff, smart people like in iceland destroy just government, riot does not have to be bad like they show on tv, attack government not own people, that's the difference... it was done in Iceland, can be done here and anywhere else, but people have no balls and are stupid enough to believe another promises on tv etc


  • #41
    Friend Computer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Friend Computer


    kult wrote: »
    If you abolish income tax, people have more money to spend, which creates jobs.

    And how do you propose public services are funded?
    lazy bastard on social are being awarded with my taxes for doing **** all day
    And you were doing so well! Didn't take long for you to open up about what this is actually about.


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  • #42
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Nothing gets people to side with protests more than to call them stupid and sheeple....


  • #43
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    kult wrote: »
    If you abolish income tax, people have more money to spend, which creates jobs. Lets say you need to buy shoes, go to the town, take bus, give bus driver job, pay vat on the ticket, buy shoes, give manufacturer, shop assistant, delivery guy job and more and you pay vat on that, everyone benefits from it. But if we are being punished by income tax for good work and lazy bastard on social are being awarded with my taxes for doing **** all day then economy is what it is...

    I have to say - as a foreigner - once I hit that 51% tax rate or whatever it is - I really did sort of go, 'Well, screw this'. I work in an industry where annual bonuses are common and knowing that I can work hard, put in extra hours, and do a good job in the hopes of getting 49% of some bonus.....' really doesn't motivate me.

    I don't expect any sympathy or anything, but it is how I feel. I stopped caring about doing better and started counting down the time until I leave. My goal went from 'Be awesome' to 'Try not to get fired'. A year or so and I'll move to another country where I'll get paid more and pay less taxes :)

    Which, coincidentally, is why I won't be rioting anytime soon.


  • #44
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Friend Computer wrote: »
    And how do you propose public services are funded?

    And you were doing so well! Didn't take long for you to open up about what this is actually about.


    public services should be private, if I want to go to hospital I pay for it, if I want pension I pay for it IF I WANT, and if I do not want it is my problem. Public services are being paid from usc, levy, property tax, vat and many more different taxes!!! income tax was intorduced in 1913 and since then economy falls... people were living well with no income tax , a 1 single man working , wife and 5 kinds and they were ok, now 2 parents are working and cant pay for 2 kids!!! income tax is a scam which creates employment!!!

    and it is not actually only about social system, but if I work hard and I do I am being taxed, punished for my hard work and the money is given to people who do not work, to the government is stealing my money in order to give it to someone else, and by the way they take cut of it too...


  • #45
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I have to say - as a foreigner - once I hit that 51% tax rate or whatever it is - I really did sort of go, 'Well, screw this'. I work in an industry where annual bonuses are common and knowing that I can work hard, put in extra hours, and do a good job in the hopes of getting 49% of some bonus.....' really doesn't motivate me.

    I don't expect any sympathy or anything, but it is how I feel. I stopped caring about doing better and started counting down the time until I leave. My goal went from 'Be awesome' to 'Try not to get fired'. A year or so and I'll move to another country where I'll get paid more and pay less taxes :)

    Which, coincidentally, is why I won't be rioting anytime soon.


    rich should not be taxed higher at all, there is small percentage of rich people and even if you tax them at 90% it will not fix the big problem, but politicians use this argument to get voters to vote for him...manipulation tool and idiots go and vote for it!!!


  • #46
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    kult wrote: »
    public services should be private, if I want to go to hospital I pay for it, if I want pension I pay for it IF I WANT, and if I do not want it is my problem. Public services are being paid from usc, levy, property tax, vat and many more different taxes!!! income tax was intorduced in 1913 and since then economy falls... people were living well with no income tax , a 1 single man working , wife and 5 kinds and they were ok, now 2 parents are working and cant pay for 2 kids!!! income tax is a scam which creates employment!!!

    and it is not actually only about social system, but if I work hard and I do I am being taxed, punished for my hard work and the money is given to people who do not work, to the government is stealing my money in order to give it to someone else, and by the way they take cut of it too...

    I WAS MEANT TO SAY "WHICH DOES NOT CREATE EMPLOYMENT" I am sorry for mistake


  • #47
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    kult wrote: »
    Iceland is in better shape than us, population does not matter, and if it does matter to you, then divide Ireland into 300k sectors and do the same..

    The pop of Iceland is about the size of a large town - it's easy to affect regulation and change among such a tiny population

    Fast growth? GDP grew 1.4% last year, that's not exactly large growth. They are still recuperating the contraction of their economy.

    There is very little external investment, and Iceland's economy is still at a much higher risk than ours


  • #48
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    kult wrote: »
    If you abolish income tax, people have more money to spend, which creates jobs. Lets say you need to buy shoes, go to the town, take bus, give bus driver job, pay vat on the ticket, buy shoes, give manufacturer, shop assistant, delivery guy job and more and you pay vat on that, everyone benefits from it. But if we are being punished by income tax for good work and lazy bastard on social are being awarded with my taxes for doing **** all day then economy is what it is...

    Do you reckon that with 350,000 more people working and zero income tax take, the country will run itself at a profit?

    What do you do with the people that cant work? ( I assume your getting rid of social welfare) Then theres the lazy bastards as you call them that probably wont want to work.


    EDIT. So I see we're privatising everything. What happens when it costs more for the lower paid to get medical treatment than they earn? Kill them?


  • #49
    pctosh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭pctosh


    We still have it good.


  • #50
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    GDP is not great indicator, I would take as an indicator that employment went down from 11% to 3% in few years... little country, so divide Ireland onto 12 small regions and do the same. Iceland's economy is at lower risk than ours, because they are not with EU... and risk is good for economy, economy if it's steady then declines, risk is a factor which has to be taken into consideration, not risk no progress ( loss or gain ).

    The easiest way is to look for excuses , small population, different economy etc. Not easier to just do the job and stop looking for excuses?


  • #51
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    If the system is so good and surely will end up with a happy population seeing as they are paying no tax, whats to lose for the government that brings it in. Surely they are guaranteeing themselves re-election for many years?


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  • #52
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Do you reckon that with 350,000 more people working and zero income tax take, the country will run itself at a profit?

    What do you do with the people that cant work? ( I assume your getting rid of social welfare) Then theres the lazy bastards as you call them that probably wont want to work.

    in usa there was no income tax before 1913, and total taxes were 3%!!! since the introduced income tax economy slows down and unemployment goes up...coincidence??? and everywhere in the world the same. People who cannot work for different reasons than being lazy will be looked after by people who are not BEING ROBBED EVERY WEEK , I rather pay to some fundation from my own pocked than being robbed everyday by government and half of the money is missing, because if they take 100 euro income tax a week, someone has to take it, someone else has to spend it and all those people must be paid high wages!!! maybe 50 euro is left after this operation, I rather pay directly to foundation that to government... but I cant, cos they rob me first...


  • #53
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If the system is so good and surely will end up with a happy population seeing as they are paying no tax, whats to lose for the government that brings it in. Surely they are guaranteeing themselves re-election for many years?


    income tax should be abolished all together , all parties should do it, change it, but they won't, because it creates unemployment and politicians need that for elections, they can promise "I will bring down unemployment" or "I will raise social welfare" but they do not say, that it's from our money...


  • #54
    TheGoldenAges
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭TheGoldenAges


    One of my favorite things is when the government returns to you some of the tax money that it arbitrarily robbed from you the year before.


  • #55
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    They also try to tell me that if they take my money from my wages for hospitals is better for me if I paid that directly to the hospital of my choice, or not pay if I do not want to, and if I get sick and die that's my problem. But they try to tell me that it is better that I pay them lest say 30 euro, they take 10 out of it for ministers and clerks, maybe 10 euro goes to the hospital and there you go... I would rather pay to hospital of my choice 30 euro directly to them and I guarantee I would get better service and no queues , because they know if that hospital I pay ****s up, I go somewhere else... the same with education and more...


  • #56
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    kult wrote: »
    and now they are one of the fastest growing economies in the world, having under 3% unemployed people... **** the bonds , they are doing well

    lol


  • #57
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    TheGoldenAges wrote: »
    One of my favorite things is when the government returns to you some of the tax money that it arbitrarily robbed from you the year before.


    you couldn't have said it better... and people are happy with that as they think it's free cash hahahahaha idiots


  • #58
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    lol


    lol to you, have many friends living there, tv won't tell you the truth, because people might wake up and realize that it could be done... why there was nothing in the mainstream media?? why???


  • #59
    rustedtrumpet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭rustedtrumpet


    Session on, it shall sort itself out someday


  • #60
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    So how come Iceland still have income tax?

    and probably more to the point, why are you living here with the steeple and not in Iceland where everyone's rich?


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  • #61
    kult
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭kult


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So how come Iceland still have income tax?

    and probably more to the point, why are you living here with the steeple and not in Iceland where everyone's rich?


    because they are stupid enough to still have it and 3 guys who wanted to introduced it died in different accidents, but of course it's a coincident...


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