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Staff lay offs at Phantom

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  • #32
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,273 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Infoanon wrote: »
    Not the first station that comes to mind, would focus on the stations with current short term (working) capital issues.

    As an aside, I listened to Phantom for the first time in a very long time and was surprised to hear Fontella Bass and rescue me shortly after 6 and Stevie Wonder after 11 !

    The last year or so, Friday and Saturday evenings has a show/disco show on. Some excellent music but how it fits into alternative/indie rock, you'd be best to ask John Cadell, their head of music ;)


  • #33
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    dr Golden wrote: »
    they are 13 million euro in the red.

    Past losses are as relevant as past owners. They are of no significance.

    I'm surprised Phantom are cutting their sales staff, that's like setting life boats adrift on a sinking ship.


  • #34
    RichieMc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 95 ✭✭RichieMc


    jane82 wrote: »
    Better get this in before station folds Im gonna miss it if it does.
    Anybody know who does the songs:
    Nothing to lose but your head
    and
    The one with yer man saying thou shakt not drink coca cola though shalt not etc etc. If I say hey thou shall not say ho.
    You dont get songs like that anywhere else.

    Hey Jane

    That is Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip and "Thou Shalt Always Kill". They played Vicar Street last night and thanked us for the very reason you mentioned.

    Glad you've enjoyed the tunes.

    Richie


  • #35
    LeakyGee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭LeakyGee


    Phantom need to expand the playlist. The indie scene is dead. The music has moved into different genres and they should too.

    People who are into specialist music can get what ever they want from many other sources, so the radio offering needs to be looked at.

    Whats wrong with a playlist mix like

    2door cinema club
    Daft punk
    Nas
    Bombay Bicycle Club
    Duke Dumont
    Disclosure
    London Grammar
    Muse

    And so on .....

    If selected properly they remain cool but invite in a broader audience. Because whats going on right now is just not working and
    as a result of them getting it so wrong and not achieving audience means 20 jobs are gone. Its really sad.


  • #36
    MonkstownHoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭MonkstownHoop


    It's ridiculous that the successful radio stations in this country are all clones of each other playing the same crap on repeat, we need alternatives


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  • #37
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    MonkstownHoop wrote: »
    It's ridiculous that the successful radio stations in this country are all clones of each other playing the same crap on repeat, we need alternatives

    I'm afraid the public gets what the public gets, as a wise man once said.

    To me, what's happening to Phantom augurs the fate of all 'niche' music stations. As I see it, if you have a serious interest in any genre of music, you can access exactly what you want on Spotify or similar services, and effectively create your own bespoke station. If traditional music radio has future, it's in the form of MOR stations that basically supply aural wallpaper for passive consumers.


  • #38
    IRE60
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭IRE60


    [QUOTE=smcgiff;89032576}I'm surprised Phantom are cutting their sales staff, that's like setting life boats adrift on a sinking ship.[/QUOTE]

    Plenty of sales agencies out there to represent them instead - at 15,000 listners, its would be better to out source. The name alludes me at the moment, but the new group representing the regionals (beat, spin sw etc) would be an ideal candidate


  • #39
    smcgiff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    IRE60 wrote: »
    Plenty of sales agencies out there to represent them instead - at 15,000 listners, its would be better to out source. The name alludes me at the moment, but the new group representing the regionals (beat, spin sw etc) would be an ideal candidate

    IRS?

    At 15,000 listeners their share would be miniscule.


  • #40
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    LeakyGee wrote: »
    Phantom need to expand the playlist. The indie scene is dead.

    Like rock died in the 60s and disco died in the 70s? Mad statement.


  • #41
    marconi2.0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭marconi2.0


    4fm have a listenership of 190k not 14k big difference


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  • #42
    eiresandra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭eiresandra


    IRE60 wrote: »
    The name alludes me at the moment, but the new group representing the regionals (beat, spin sw etc) would be an ideal candidate

    Media Central.


  • #43
    Declan A Walsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Some of the weekend schedule and the presenters supposed to be dropped continued as usual yesterday and today. Yesterday: Richie Ryan with Stadium Rock. Today: Sinead with Carraig Crua, Dee Reddy and Jack Hyland with Stadium Rock. I wasn't listening all the time so there could be more.
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #44
    thesaurus2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭thesaurus2


    Given that RTE2fm is self imploding and is sidelining indie and alternative, disco, funk and every other genre of music you care to mention with their new playlist and new schedule of music presenters who know nothing about music, and looking at Nova's incredible gains, surely the time was right for Phantom to really have one last push instead of just caving in.

    Very sad news as in recent months the Richie and Richie show was truly outstanding radio, and Claire Beck has grown on me the odd time I flick onto her. This is great news for Nova, awful for those losing their jobs.


  • #45
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,613 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    It's really bad news, as someone who tuned in daily from their first day of the licence, the station has been vandalised over the last few years.

    Ditching Simon Maher was a stupid move. Getting in reality tv muppets like Vogue wilson and eamonn fennell to dj at the weekend was a stupid move. Heavy playlist rotation was a stupid move.

    Getting Keef from Spin in as programme director was what threw the station from "troubled" to "****edd" however. He destroyed audience figures in a matter of weeks, and giving himself and his terribly unfunny mate the breakfast slot was ... horrific. It's as if someone painted a mural which said "whatever you do..." and he took it as an instruction, missing the "... don't do this" part.

    I'm sad to have missed the richies show, but unfortunately it's on at the wrong time of day. That show any time of the day before 7 would have been an audience grabber I'm sure. And it's not complicated. Free up the playlist, don't employ drooling morons, let the listeners in.

    Instead they went for the Kildare Hospital FM brought to you by Spin's greatest hits, Guest starring some GAA plod and his mates.


  • #46
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    Phantom to be rebranded?
    Jim Carroll ‏@jimcarrollOTR 6m
    Is XFM going to be the new name for @phantom1052? XFM.ie registered by Communicorp 10 days ago https://www.iedr.ie/whois-results/?option=com_content&view=article&whois=xfm&id=86&Itemid=105&Search.x=33&Search.y=7 …


  • #47
    Bard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    Phantom to be rebranded?

    Wonder what these lads would think of that...

    http://xfmdublin.com/

    https://twitter.com/XfmDublin


  • #48
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Pretty spot an analysis by Jim Carroll today, I think he sums up exactly what went wrong with the station. I wouldn't be listening to most of the bands I now listen to if it wasn't for the station, but I honesty don't know when the last time was I let it on rather than flicked through it too see if there was a song currently playing I liked.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2014/02/17/time-to-do-the-right-thing-and-turn-off-phantom-105-2/


  • #49
    Declan A Walsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Declan A Walsh wrote: »
    Some of the weekend schedule and the presenters supposed to be dropped continued as usual yesterday and today. Yesterday: Richie Ryan with Stadium Rock. Today: Sinead with Carraig Crua, Dee Reddy and Jack Hyland with Stadium Rock. I wasn't listening all the time so there could be more.

    Following up from my observations yesterday, I briefly heard Ray McGowan last night standing in for John Caddell on Powerhouse... and Charlotte Flood was on as usual this morning with Joe Donnelly.

    So, it seems that this idea that there would only be three presenters left seems to be a bit wide of the mark.
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #50
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    Declan A Walsh wrote: »
    Following up from my observations yesterday, I briefly heard Ray McGowan last night standing in for John Caddell on Powerhouse... and Charlote Flood was on as usual this morning with Joe Donnelly.

    So, it seems that this idea that there would only be three presenters left seems to be a bit wide of the mark.
    as I said on the Phantom forum, the reports on Friday said they've been given a month's notice.

    you hardly expected them to have everyone gone and a new format implemented with a couple of hours notice?


  • #51
    Declan A Walsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    as I said on the Phantom forum, the reports on Friday said they've been given a month's notice.

    you hardly expected them to have everyone gone and a new format implemented with a couple of hours notice?

    Sorry about that - of course what you are saying makes sense! I was a bit overwraught!
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #52
    gavindowd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭gavindowd


    Bard wrote: »
    Wonder what these lads would think of that...

    http://xfmdublin.com/

    https://twitter.com/XfmDublin

    Apparently the UK 'Radio Goss' Twitter account tweeted ; "UK Radio brand on the way to Dublin".

    I'd say a rebrand is on the cards.....

    Remember my post : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82057385


  • #53
    heybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭heybaby


    Quite possibly rebrand to XFM, keeping some local output but the rest of the schedule from the UK via ISDN line, with local news, could work, there's nothing to lose for phantom at this stage.


  • #54
    Fuzzy Clam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Fuzzy Clam


    heybaby wrote: »
    Quite possibly rebrand to XFM, keeping some local output but the rest of the schedule from the UK via ISDN line, with local news, could work, there's nothing to lose for phantom at this stage.

    What will the BAI have to say about that?


  • #55
    gavindowd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭gavindowd


    So we were wrong......

    http://radiotoday.co.uk/2014/02/xfm-not-heading-to-dublin-global-confirms/


  • #56
    dr Golden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭dr Golden


    gavindowd wrote: »
    So we were wrong......

    http://radiotoday.co.uk/2014/02/xfm-not-heading-to-dublin-global-confirms/
    Reminds me of when Dan Healy said there was a better chance of the ocean turning pink than Hector getting axed from 2fm breakfast.


  • #57
    Declan A Walsh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Have a look at Jim Carroll's excellent article in the Irish Times:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2014/02/17/time-to-do-the-right-thing-and-turn-off-phantom-105-2/

    This explains everything.
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #58
    StreetLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    I wonder if a re-branded Phantom might drop FM and appear on DAB to save on costs. Would it be worth it?


  • #59
    heybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭heybaby


    Fuzzy Clam wrote: »
    What will the BAI have to say about that?

    The BAI? When was the last time the BAI actually said no to a station ?


  • #60
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Fuzzy Clam wrote: »
    What will the BAI have to say about that?
    nothing, they will bend over for their little big business friends like offcom in the UK did, as long as their getting whatever money they get from stations they don't and won't care

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #61
    Clum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Clum


    I saw this coming so long ago. Jim Carroll is fairly on the ball about the music they should have played but didn't focus on.

    It was all well and good until Phantom started pushing listener input and put both the characters of the djs and content of listener text messages ahead of the music.

    Just taking breakfast shows for now (I do listen to radio throughout the day too):

    Richie McCormack is a good dj. He understands how radio works, what can and can't be said or done, and has a great musical knowledge. I was happy when he was on the breakfast show. But then when Michelle Doherty and himself started having really fake, staged, terrible conversations about pure tripe the breakfast show jumped off a cliff and died. It had been really good up until then going back through Jack whats-his-head and Sinister Pete.

    Then the whole station took a turn for the worse trying to push the DJs rather than the music. Many programs on the day time schedule changed with supposed big personalities taking over but many of them knew nothing about the music phantom had been built on.

    Now it's gone to the dogs completely. These days every second word said on the breakfast show is 'text'. "text us", "read a text", "we got a text", "here's a text". What? And this goes on from something like 6am until 11! Shut up and play the hits!

    Nova had no text number for years. This worked great. They played music with minimal talk. Listeners could phone in and that was pretty much for competitions or maybe traffic updates during rush hour shows. There was hardly any listener feedback given. Nobody wanted it. They want music. But the latest breakfast pairing on Nova are changing this. Watch this new breakfast show die a horrible death in the near future.

    2fm have replaced Hector with 3 its-all-about-me presenters. Between those three personalities talking about themselves and relying on texts (which seems to be the way they're going) that show won't last very long either.

    What's happened with radio that they now have to plead for text messages and rely on listener input and talk rubbish rather than have knowedgeable djs playing music or discuss relevant entertainment related items?


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