NAMA owned property to be demolished at the cost of 70 jobs.

The Diabolical Monocle · 14-02-2014 05:22PM

Place needs to be renovated one way or the other.
Museum, shopping center, one giant bakery, jobs or not.

Fvcking dump. Looks like it belongs in the slums of Delhi.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 05:33PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Place needs to be renovated one way or the other.
Museum, shopping center, one giant bakery, jobs or not.

Fvcking dump. Looks like it belongs in the slums of Delhi.

It is meant to. So that you agree to development at any cost.

Dereliction by design, all over Dublin in the 'boom'.

The Diabolical Monocle · 14-02-2014 05:36PM

MadsL wrote: »

It is meant to. So that you agree to development at any cost.

Dereliction by design, all over Dublin in the 'boom'.

lol - a needlessly filthy street is a good thing now ??

suicide_circus · 14-02-2014 05:37PM

went to that paris bakery twice. we were treated like muck and the food wasn't that impressive.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 05:49PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

lol - a needlessly filthy street is a good thing now ??

You totally missed what I said.

A common 2000s era tactic was to buy up properties and shop leases, kick out the long term decent businesses, let the shops to low quality short term tenants, drive down the tone of the area, do no maintenance, let the roofs leak, let the place rot. Ideally get it demolished as it was unsafe.

Lash in a 'masterplan' for redevelopment and 'regeneration' of the area.

The area would not need 'regeneration' had you not destroyed it, but you gain popular support because 'something is better than nothing' and 'it will bring jobs'.

Have we learned nothing?

MadsL · 14-02-2014 05:49PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

went to that paris bakery twice. we were treated like muck and the food wasn't that impressive.

We should knock it on principle then. How very dare they.

oppenheimer1 · 14-02-2014 05:51PM

MadsL wrote: »

You totally missed what I said.

A common 2000s era tactic was to buy up properties and shop leases, kick out the long term decent businesses, let the shops to low quality short term tenants, drive down the tone of the area, do no maintenance, let the roofs leak, let the place rot. Ideally get it demolished as it was unsafe.

Lash in a 'masterplan' for redevelopment and 'regeneration' of the area.

The area would not need 'regeneration' had you not destroyed it, but you gain popular support because 'something is better than nothing' and 'it will bring jobs'.

Have we learned nothing?

What do you suggest they do to Moore St now that the deterioration has already happened. Moore St was a kip long before chartered land ever came about

The Diabolical Monocle · 14-02-2014 06:02PM

MadsL wrote: »

You totally missed what I said.

A common 2000s era tactic was to buy up properties and shop leases, kick out the long term decent businesses, let the shops to low quality short term tenants, drive down the tone of the area, do no maintenance, let the roofs leak, let the place rot. Ideally get it demolished as it was unsafe.

Lash in a 'masterplan' for redevelopment and 'regeneration' of the area.

The area would not need 'regeneration' had you not destroyed it, but you gain popular support because 'something is better than nothing' and 'it will bring jobs'.

Have we learned nothing?

Whatever the nasty tactics being used are, they're nothing to do with my initial post.

That place looks like a shthole.

Fight it out for a solution or find a compromise ...whatever the end result the fvcking place needs to be cleaned up. Fast.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 06:12PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Whatever the nasty tactics being used are, they're nothing to do with my initial post.

That place looks like a shthole.

Fight it out for a solution or find a compromise ...whatever the end result the fvcking place needs to be cleaned up. Fast.

Here's the museum proposal from relatives of the 1916 participants, including a proposal for the frontages of Moore St.
http://1916rebellionmuseum.com/

As they point out there are 776 days to the Centenary, yet the State and DCC seem content to leave the restoration in the hands of grubby profiteers.

Imagine the Texans doing this to the Alamo, the Americans to Gettysburg or the Scots to Culloden. Unthinkable.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 06:13PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

What do you suggest they do to Moore St now that the deterioration has already happened. Moore St was a kip long before chartered land ever came about

http://1916rebellionmuseum.com/

And before Chartered Land, another developer was at the same tactics - back to 1998.

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 07:36PM

MadsL wrote: »

How many real jobs (other than a bloke driving a wrecking ball) did the demolition of the Royal Dublin Hotel in 2009 create?? Chartered Land (aka Joe O'Reilly) are one of NAMA's greatest debtors. They haven't created jobs, they have had a fairly significant hand in destroying Ireland's prosperity.

I'm baffled that people appear to have learnt nothing from the greed of these Golden Circle developers.

I await the inevitable double dip false recovery bubble in Ireland over the next 5 years.

One of the bosses of Chartered Land is a long standing mate of mine, a dreadfully decent man who lives in a small house and has a modest lifestyle. Always did. And he has created work for thousands over the years as well as paying millions in tax. How much does Dundrum generate?? Or the Grand canal theatre?? Or the Pavillions?? And they're paying back their loans. They've worked with Nama from day one to service their debts. You mouth off on the internet, having created jack-sh1t zero in your life apart from red-tape and money for your own pocket.

Hootanany · 14-02-2014 07:52PM

How many Subbies did he screw?

MadsL · 14-02-2014 07:54PM

Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdWKp3RAUTU

Documentary revealing the corruption surrounding the development

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0Kah7dE80

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 08:02PM

Hootanany wrote: »

How many Subbies did he screw?

No idea. Never screwed me, that's the subbie I look out for. Devil take the hindmost for the rest. That's Construction, always was, always will be. It's a rough old game, you need to be a big boy to play it.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 08:04PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

No idea. Never screwed me, that's the subbie I look out for. Devil take the hindmost for the rest. That's Construction, always was, always will be. It's a rough old game, you need to be a big boy to play it.

Watch the documentary above and then come back to me on how CL are saviours of the Irish nation.

Hootanany · 14-02-2014 08:07PM

But he's your mate that's a bit different isn't it?

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 08:09PM

MadsL wrote: »

Watch the documentary above and then come back to me on how CL are saviours of the Irish nation.

Never said they were. I said one of CLs bosses is a mate and a decent person. That's just my personal position, like it or not. He gave me my break and put me on my way. You slag ahead, that's your right as a keyboard warrior. To me, they're one of the soundest companies going. Note the "to me" bit, it's relevant. Others may well hate them. That's their business. You think what you like, not two sh1ts will I give.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 08:15PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Never said they were. I said one of CLs bosses is a mate and a decent person. That's just my personal position, like it or not. He gave me my break and put me on my way. You slag ahead, that's your right as a keyboard warrior. To me, they're one of the soundest companies going. Note the "to me" bit, it's relevant. Others may well hate them. That's their business. You think what you like, not two sh1ts will I give.

Are you prepared to watch the documentary? Or are your eyes shut tight?

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 08:27PM

MadsL wrote: »

Are you prepared to watch the documentary? Or are your eyes shut tight?

It can be a necessarily rough business sometimes. There you go. What do you want? A round of applause for noticing? Shy bairns get nowt.

blackdog2 · 14-02-2014 09:16PM

Lets throw more shops into an area full of shops with shopping centre's around within metres. Fantastic. Redevelopment would be nice, but maybe not into this.

Archeron · 14-02-2014 09:27PM

Won't somebody think of the gingerbread men??

MadsL · 14-02-2014 09:30PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

It can be a necessarily rough business sometimes. There you go. What do you want? A round of applause for noticing? Shy bairns get nowt.

A rough business indeed. Nothing worse than a paper cut from opening an envelope, brown or otherwise.

Funny how CL were the only developer offered the land CPO'd, and no public tender was ever issued. Funny that.

Hootanany · 14-02-2014 09:38PM

it stinks

fedor.2. · 14-02-2014 09:40PM

I actually cringe every time I see a thread started by the OP

MadsL · 14-02-2014 09:43PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

I actually cringe every time I see a thread started by the OP

Yet here you are...

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 09:51PM

MadsL wrote: »

A rough business indeed. Nothing worse than a paper cut from opening an envelope, brown or otherwise.

Funny how CL were the only developer offered the land CPO'd, and no public tender was ever issued. Funny that.

I'm gonna call utter bullsh1t on that right there. So you're saying they bought influence, right? Any proof or are you just letting off steam? And what has you so worried? I doubt any of your Federal Taxes will be used to pay their debts.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 09:59PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

I'm gonna call utter bullsh1t on that right there. So you're saying they bought influence, right? Any proof or are you just letting off steam?

Go watch the documentary, then come back to me.

And what has you so worried? I doubt any of your Federal Taxes will be used to pay their debts.

Nice of you to pay them for me. I guess you have no national pride? I don't see the US building on Gettysburg or the Alamo.

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 10:07PM

MadsL wrote: »

Go watch the documentary, then come back to me.

Nice of you to pay them for me. I guess you have no national pride? I don't see the US building on Gettysburg or the Alamo.

Maybe they should, waste of space. The Alamo was built on an Indian camping ground - they were well p1ssed when planning went in, did a picket and everything. Said that twenty tepees would be lost forever. The contractor offered them five double-wides in a caravan park in Memphis and a signed Bowie knife - the lads were ecstatic, they always loved Elvis.

Progress is progress. Someones always p1ssed. People are p1ssy.

MadsL · 14-02-2014 10:13PM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Maybe they should, waste of space. The Alamo was built on an Indian camping ground - they were well p1ssed when planning went in, did a picket and everything. Said that twenty tepees would be lost forever. The contractor offered them five double-wides in a caravan park in Memphis and a signed Bowie knife - the lads were ecstatic, they always loved Elvis.

Progress is progress. Someones always p1ssed. People are p1ssy.

I see you don't wish to deal in the facts, and simply want to make silly comments.

Fair enough. Come back to me when you want a discussion.

Stavros Murphy · 14-02-2014 10:28PM

MadsL wrote: »

I see you don't wish to deal in the facts, and simply want to make silly comments.

Fair enough. Come back to me when you want a discussion.

Alright, no need to take the hump. Also, have a look around, old bean. This is AH, remember. And your "they paid dem orf" comments sound like somthing out of the CT forum. You should pop over there for a discussion if you want to deal in fantasy and innuendo. They love that crap. I can link it's location if you need.

NAMA owned property to be demolished at the cost of 70 jobs.

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