M4A1? Which one?

Also both the above AEGS will have to be down graded before import as there over 1J

http://www.airsoftguns.ie/gg-armament/2238-gg-cm16-raider-m4-ris-airsoft-rifle.html

http://www.airsofteire.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=828&category_id=146&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

http://www.sgairsoft.biz/dublin/index.php/component/virtuemart/money-saving-deals/special-package-offer-g-g-cmr16-bk-detail?Itemid=0

http://www.sgairsoft.biz/dublin/index.php/component/virtuemart/electric-airsoft-gun-aeg/m4/g-g/g-g-combat-machine-r16-carbine-bk-detail?Itemid=0

TBGamer wrote: »

I'm going to be doing training for the army, as I'm joining the TA, Reserves. So I'm looking for a set up that is good. I need a woodland camo loadout. A vest with uni weapon holster. M4A1 or another gun (has to be FULL metal). Any ideas?

I'm guessing when you mean the TA, you mean the Territorial Army?

If so, don't they use L85's? Wouldn't that be more 1:1 scale? Army Armament produces a L85, so have a look into that.

hi, have you considered
http://www.hobbyairsoft.ie/index.php?route=product/product&path=36&product_id=357
not an a1 but is full metal, reliable, decent performance from the box with no real mag issues that some m4's seem to suffer with.

or a pre upgraded m4a1
http://seairsoft.com/product_details.php?id=2082&catid=36
nice gun internally with loads of extras

I'd get a G&G Raider GR15 L. One of the better M4's you can buy when starting. Mine never let me down.

The G&G TR15 R4 is full metal for around 350 and shoots at ubder a joule. You know Ireland is limited to 328fps dont you?

Or if its realism your after you could look into a GBBR.......

Hi TBGamer,

First off; you say you're from Merseyside, but then mention possible enlistment in either the TA or RDF, or at least I'll assume that is whom you are referring to by 'Reserves'. So are you planning on skirmishing mostly in the UK? Or in Ireland? Because if it's Ireland, almost any gun you buy in the UK (or most anywhere else in fairness ... ), will need to also be downgraded, before import, to fire at no greater than 1 joule (1j, or 328fps with a .2g bb) to comply with Irish law. The only general exception to needing downgraded is Tokyo Marui guns that are almost always under 1j anyway due to Japanese law.

Next; when you say that you want a full-metal m4 variant; you are aware that only the receiver, barrel, and sights are metal, not the stock and foregrip. So the weight difference is not going to be particularly notable between a full metal receiver and a plastic one. You'll notice it alright, but it wont be an "ooooohff, 'kinell this is heavy" experience. Of the four variants that you've just listed; in my opinion I'd opt for either the G&P or Ares. I've no experience with Ares m4s, but they've a pretty solid reputation. G&P I've always been impressed with. But that said, you can pick up a decent dboys metal m4 for less than either of those; and for a budget gun you'll get your money's worth out of it.

If you really want something that gives you the 'feel' of what either the UK or Irish forces use, you'd be best served looking at L85 and Steyr AUG A1 bullpup rifles, of which there are more than a few good airsoft offerings for each. Some of the L85 variants could be used to club people to death with too, being around 5kg in weight (compared with an average of about 3.4kg for an m4 variant).

The last thing I'll mention is not airsoft-specific although it is very much related given your mentioning a desire to enlist and looking to airsoft to become familiar with kit. There are posters here who can correct me where I am wrong. I can't speak for the Permanent or Reserve Defense Forces, but I can speak from reasonable knowledge of more than a few friends here in the UK who are either ex or serving forces; DO NOT MENTION YOU PLAY AIRSOFT. As a recruit, the last thing you want to do is draw the attention of the DS and/or come across as a know-it-all, and as a serving member it's considered a bit of a "dirty secret". Half them play of course, but they'll never say it in barracks save to slag the sh*t out of airsofters.

TBGamer wrote: »

Here are the spec's that the website provide:

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Now if I were to buy the Ares what website should I get it from?

http://uk.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/AEG_AEP_ARES_ARES_M4A1_Carbine.htm
http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=2102

We could dissect & discuss the statistics of each AEG for a month and still not get a decisive answer. Pick one that you like the look of and has a decent reputation and is within your budget. Once you're playing a while you can start to look at the technical hows & why's of getting better performance out of your guns.

The two things you'll need to make sure of when you start out are; what battery type/connectors does the gun have (for an m4A1; most likely 8.4v mini NiMH or 7.2v LIPO; with mini-tamiya connectors), and what type of magazines (see below).

There are a few airsoft websites in the UK with good reputations, so shop around and see which comes out tops for you in terms of price, shipping, and any extras that you want. Off the top of my head:

• Fire-Support
• LandWarrior
• Airsoft World
• Airsoft Armoury
• RedWolf UK (although this is a UK office for RedWolf who are in Hong Kong)

There are a load more, those are just the ones off the top of my head so do be sure to do a google search.

Have you served also? I am starting to get used to the weight and kit that I'll be using, I don't care that I'm using an M4 or a L85, I kinda set my budget to £500, So Ares or G&P + All other stuff like; Vest, boots, camo, goggles, holster, x10 mags and so on... speaking of mags will http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=8125 fit both the Ares and G&P?

No I have not served. You'll find - in the UK at any rate - a fair number of people who do play have either served or are serving. Some of them will be only too happy to talk to you about it all.

As for your budget, you can pick up surplus kit in good condition for silly, silly money on some of the facebook groups (so look for a local group like ... Liverpool airsofters, or North East airsofters, or Manchester, etc.), and off of more than a few surplus websites. For example, yesterday at my local site (BritTac airsoft, South Yorkshire) one of my fellow marshals was selling off a load of excess kit and offered me a complete desert dpm set (including webbing) for £40. My point is you don't need to spend a fortune to get good - or practical - kit.

As for the the magazines you've linked to should fit as they are STANAG (i.e. standardised NATO agreement) magazines. The same magazines will also fit the likes of the L85, Tavor, HK 416, etc. for example. I will add a caveat; some manufacturers can be iffy with certain brands of magazine and it can be a bit of trial and error; but that's more the exception than the rule. So please bear that in mind if you're struggling to insert/remove magazines.

TBGamer wrote: »

Can you tell me a good setup with the Ares M4? I mean by this can you tell what some good gear(vest, head, holsters) and maybe a cheap scope for the M4?

Honestly, I would hold the horses on all of the accessories and get to grips with playing with an AEG first. If you must, pick up a bargain bucket vest or webbing for your mags, bottle of water, etc. for example: UK PLCE webbing or a Webtex DPM vest.

Before you go throwing around silly money, see how others around you have got their kit set up. It's very much a case of personal choice and works for you. But there are three basic forms:

• Webbing/Belt/harness (e.g. that PLCE link above)
• Vests
• Plate carriers (also mistakenly referred to as vests by a lot of people)

Each have their pros & cons.

I found the Cyma M4 to be very rattly when I was trying it, could have just been a loose nut. Nice heft to it though and they're supposed to be pretty good for the price too.

Isn't this basically the same as your last thread?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057152855

And this thread?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88990351

Already gave my opinion on your other threads.

TBGamer wrote: »

Does anyone know a really good M4 for £200-250.

with the best features such as Weight, Metal construction, Metal internals/Best internals, best for airsoft, most realistic and all the good stuff.

Chap at that price there nearly all the same ,
Use the same internals mostly ,with one or two small differences,
If your going to actually skirmish the gun/s you will end up wanting to change the gears ,replace the inner barrel and hop up and probably the motor at somestage ,

The cheapest

The G&G would probably be the best. The internals of their Raider range are fantastic and often used as the basis of many upgraded rifles.

While I understand you are cautious about buying an aeg, just buy one. Every persons opinion varies, some love G&G and not G&P, some hate G&G and love ARES, you are essentially on a merry-go-round of opinions. Look up youtube reviews of each.

Which one appeals to you more, regarding things like looks, what it has to offer etc....Loads of people have given you their two cents on these but it does not seem to make a difference too you. Am not saying this being harsh to you, honestly, but bite the bullet. All above brands you have asked about are of an excellent pedigree within airsoft. But you can't expect people to answer the same kind of question repeatedly.

thermo wrote: »

none of the above,each has their strong and weak points and whats the point on spending that ammount of money on a complete m4 only to spend more money to rectify weak points when m4 parts are so cheap and easily availible, its cheaper to build one from scratch.
you can build a good m4 with decent performance with all new parts for less than €150 (if you get lucky with customs).

He's in the UK Thermo, so he wont. HMRC are very much on the ball unfortunately.

TBGamer; just pick one that seems good to you and roll with it. There is always the chance that you pick the what-am-best-gun AEG model and just happen to get one that's a lemon and doesn't work. So seriously, just f*cking pick one. You've been given more than a few thoughts on the various ones you've listed. If you're still not satisfied, google is your friend for finding reviews about each to make a better informed decision.

thermo wrote: »

and to throw a spanner in the mix, im wondering why the OP has failed to look at the VFC E-series????

Why Thermo???? Whhhhhhhhhhy!