Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

13-02-2014 07:38PM

bumper234 wrote: »

We have a winner!!!!!!

Most idiotic post of this thread.

What exactly is idiotic about it?

Tokyo · 13-02-2014 07:38PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Seen them sleep multiple times in pubs with bands playing and people shouting over the bands, seen them sleep on busy streets in buggies, in restaurants with crowds of people even Seen one or two of them sleep in a tractor which would be louder than any concert and bumping around. That's just off the top of my head.

Even if they can't sleep what about the rest of the night? Putting them to bed a bit later when the music ends will do them no harm. They might like the music too, its back when I was a young child I really got into listening to Garth Brooks as my aunts and uncles always had him on.

Ladies and gentlemen..... parent of the year.

Jamsiek · 13-02-2014 07:39PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

They might like the music too.

Highly doubtful I would imagine

13-02-2014 07:41PM

bumper234 wrote: »

We have a winner!!!!!!

Most idiotic post of this thread.

What exactly is idiotic about it?

mike_ie wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen..... parent of the year.

I was referring to cousins etc.

Jamsiek wrote: »

Highly doubtful I would imagine

Considering he is one of the biggest selling artists of all time world wide and the no.1 biggest selling artist of all time in the US I would say there is a lot of evidence to say its quite possible they would like it.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 07:59PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Seen them sleep multiple times in pubs with bands playing and people shouting over the bands, seen them sleep on busy streets in buggies, in restaurants with crowds of people even Seen one or two of them sleep in a tractor which would be louder than any concert and bumping around. That's just off the top of my head.

Even if they can't sleep what about the rest of the night? Putting them to bed a bit later when the music ends will do them no harm. They might like the music too, its back when I was a young child I really got into listening to Garth Brooks as my aunts and uncles always had him on.

I suppose this is the difference between me and you then.

I would never risk 2 year old sons hearing by having him in a pub especially one where bands are playing loud music and people are shouting! And i would certainly never risk his safety by having him in a moving tractor that's "bumping around" (and no way is any tractor louder than a concert with 80,000 singing along :rolleyes:)

Again it's obvious you have no clue about children just by stating that putting them to bed a bit later (4/5 hours?) Will do them " no harm".

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 08:01PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

What exactly is idiotic about it?

I was referring to cousins etc.

Considering he is one of the biggest selling artists of all time world wide and the no.1 biggest selling artist of all time in the US I would say there is a lot of evidence to say its quite possible they would like it.

So was the Beatles, Michael Jackson and the monkeys....guess what..... not everyone likes their music either.

13-02-2014 08:06PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I suppose this is the difference between me and you then.

I would never risk 2 year old sons hearing by having him in a pub especially one where bands are playing loud music and people are shouting! And i would certainly never risk his safety by having him in a moving tractor that's "bumping around" (and no way is any tractor louder than a concert with 80,000 singing along :rolleyes:)

As I said earlier this is 15 to 20 years ago when bringing children to pubs was normal. I would have only been a teenager myself.

As for being in a moving tractor, well that difference between the mollycoddling a city child gets compared to one out the country. Inside in a tractor there is no risking the safety of a child. I was up in tractor from the age of 2 (if not before it) driving tractors when I was 5 (with someone in it with me) and driving them alone when I was 9 or 10.

Oh and trust me inside a tractor, especially older ones is louder than being inside at the concert never mind being outside in a house.

bumper234 wrote: »

Again it's obvious you have no clue about children just by stating that putting them to bed a bit later (4/5 hours?) Will do them " no harm".

And I'm right, it won't do them any harm.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 08:31PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

As I said earlier this is 15 to 20 years ago when bringing children to pubs was normal. I would have only been a teenager myself.

As for being in a moving tractor, well that difference between the mollycoddling a city child gets compared to one out the country. Inside in a tractor there is no risking the safety of a child. I was up in tractor from the age of 2 (if not before it) driving tractors when I was 5 (with someone in it with me) and driving them alone when I was 9 or 10.

Oh and trust me inside a tractor, especially older ones is louder than being inside at the concert never mind being outside in a house.

And I'm right, it won't do them any harm.

Well i guess you told me boss

Oh wait

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193083/First-picture-boy-3-died-falling-grandfathers-tractor.html

A three-year-old boy has died after falling from his grandfather's tractor as the pair mowed a village sports field as his parents relaxed just yards away.

Cory James was sat with grandfather Christopher Mayes on the machine which was pulling mowing blades when the boy somehow toppled off.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/14-year-old-boy-killed-after-fall-from-tractor-1.1504900

A 14-year-old boy was killed yesterday evening after he fell from a tractor in Co Cork.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/news/stories/10/06/boy-killed-after-falling-off-tractor/

A nine-year-old No 64 Village Corentyne boy was yesterday crushed to death after falling from a moving tractor in the No 64 back lands.

Yeah no safety to the child whatsoever right :rolleyes:

Smidge · 13-02-2014 08:41PM

super_furry wrote: »

http://www.todayfm.com/No-Slane-concert-this-year-

Slane is free this year as is Phoenix Park so far so I wouldn't be at all expected to see the Tuesday and Wednesdays gigs move to one or the other. I just don't see all five Garth Brooks getting the licences as it stands and the residents are not backing down.

Check out post no 1108 pg 74 of this thread

Lord Henry has stated that NO gigs will go ahead at Slane this year.
Now, call me a suspicious Aloyisus but could it be possible that GAA/Aiken put the feelers out to Lord Henry to see if he would take the additional 2 gigs of their hands as they are getting a touch of squeeky bum?

13-02-2014 08:42PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Well i guess you told me boss

Oh wait

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193083/First-picture-boy-3-died-falling-grandfathers-tractor.html

A three-year-old boy has died after falling from his grandfather's tractor as the pair mowed a village sports field as his parents relaxed just yards away.

Cory James was sat with grandfather Christopher Mayes on the machine which was pulling mowing blades when the boy somehow toppled off.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/14-year-old-boy-killed-after-fall-from-tractor-1.1504900

A 14-year-old boy was killed yesterday evening after he fell from a tractor in Co Cork.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/news/stories/10/06/boy-killed-after-falling-off-tractor/

A nine-year-old No 64 Village Corentyne boy was yesterday crushed to death after falling from a moving tractor in the No 64 back lands.

Yeah no safety to the child whatsoever right :rolleyes:

There is a thing called being careful you know? Pull out three incidents which we have no idea of the circumstance behind means nothing? What unnecessary risks were taken, what was the condition of the tractor etc etc.

When I say no safety risk I mean if you take into account risks and understand dangers then you considerably reduce risks. I suppose you never cross the road with your child or bring them in the car? Both of which are not without risk and can have very high risk if no precautions are taken.

Tokyo · 13-02-2014 08:44PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

When I say no safety risk I mean if you take into account risks and understand dangers then you considerably reduce risks.

What does that even mean??

I grew up around farm machinery myself as a kid, as did half the people here I'd imagine, and while yes, I spent much of my youth on the backs of tractors, or driving tractors, or whatever, no farmer in their right mind would argue that there's no safety risk for children when they are around them.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 08:46PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

There is a thing called being careful you know? Pull out three incidents which we have no idea of the circumstance behind means nothing? What unnecessary risks were taken, what was the condition of the tractor etc etc.

When I say no safety risk I mean if you take into account risks and understand dangers then you considerably reduce risks. I suppose you never cross the road with your child or bring them in the car? Both of which are not without risk and can have very high risk if no precautions are taken.

Wow that's some mighty fine back peddling there horse. :rolleyes:

13-02-2014 08:47PM

mike_ie wrote: »

What??!!!

If you don't understand what I'm saying then I there isn't much hope for you.

bumper234 wrote: »

Wow that's some mighty fine back peddling there horse. :rolleyes:

Its not back peddling at all I was just trying to help you understand.

When someone says "there is no safety risk" it's never 100% true as there is virtually nothing in this world that is without risk.

It's hard to hold a conversation/argue with people who need everything explained to them and search the internet ways to "prove" you wrong. I've enough for doing.

Tokyo · 13-02-2014 08:55PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

If you don't understand what I'm saying then I there isn't much hope for you.

Its not back peddling at all I was just trying to help you understand.

When someone says "there is no safety risk" it's never 100% true as there is virtually nothing in this world that is without risk.

Let me clear it up for you then.

http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Agriculture/Children/#fat

Tractors and farm machinery have been responsible for 54% of child deaths on farms form 2000-2010. I guess there's hope for me after all... :rolleyes:

13-02-2014 08:57PM

mike_ie wrote: »

Let me clear it up for you then.

http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Agriculture/Children/#fat

Tractors and farm machinery have been responsible for 54% of child deaths on farms form 2000-2010. I guess there's hope for me after all... :rolleyes:

If you don't understand assessing and minimizing the risk, which was my strating point then I can't help you.

I hardly started out with hanging out the door of a tractor in mind when I made the statement.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 08:58PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I suppose this is the difference between me and you then.

I would never risk 2 year old sons hearing by having him in a pub especially one where bands are playing loud music and people are shouting! And i would certainly never risk his safety by having him in a moving tractor that's "bumping around" (and no way is any tractor louder than a concert with 80,000 singing along :rolleyes:)

Again it's obvious you have no clue about children just by stating that putting them to bed a bit later (4/5 hours?) Will do them " no harm".

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

As I said earlier this is 15 to 20 years ago when bringing children to pubs was normal. I would have only been a teenager myself.

As for being in a moving tractor, well that difference between the mollycoddling a city child gets compared to one out the country. Inside in a tractor there is no risking the safety of a child. I was up in tractor from the age of 2 (if not before it) driving tractors when I was 5 (with someone in it with me) and driving them alone when I was 9 or 10.

Oh and trust me inside a tractor, especially older ones is louder than being inside at the concert never mind being outside in a house.

And I'm right, it won't do them any harm.

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

If you don't understand what I'm saying then I there isn't much hope for you.

Its not back peddling at all I was just trying to help you understand.

!When someone says "there is no safety risk" it's never 100% true as there is virtually nothing in this world that is without risk.

It's hard to hold a conversation/argue with people who need everything explained to them and search the internet ways to "prove" you wrong. I've enough for doing.

Sure sounds like back peddling to me.

13-02-2014 09:05PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Sure sounds like back peddling to me.

Its just me thinking you would understand there is a baseline risk in everything. If you have a tractor with secured doors and a safe place for the child to sit or stand and you are driving in a field and in around a yard then the risks of anything happening are very low.

This is gone way of topic anyway so I'm done with this little aside.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 09:10PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Its just me thinking you would understand there is a baseline risk in everything. If you have a tractor with secured doors and a safe place for the child to sit or stand and you are driving in a field and in around a yard then the risks of anything happening are very low.

This is gone way of topic anyway so I'm done with this little aside.

And i'm sure EVERY parent who lost a child in a tragic tractor accident thought the exact same thing.

end of the road · 13-02-2014 09:17PM

bumper234 wrote: »

i would certainly never risk his safety by having him in a moving tractor that's "bumping around"

ah jesus i was up on tractors and other stuff as a young fella, i loved it, seriously people these days, no wonder kids are so precious

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 09:19PM

end of the road wrote: »

ah jesus i was up on tractors and other stuff as a young fella, i loved it, seriously people these days, no wonder kids are so precious

Am not saying it wasn't enjoyable for you, i'm saying it's dangerous.

Duckworth_Luas · 13-02-2014 09:21PM

What is this thread about??????

end of the road · 13-02-2014 09:23PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I was up in tractor from the age of 2 (if not before it) driving tractors when I was 5 (with someone in it with me) and driving them alone when I was 9 or 10.

shur don't i know, the people i hung around with as kids were doing the same, great times

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Oh and trust me inside a tractor, especially older ones is louder than being inside at the concert never mind being outside in a house.

jesus don't tell me about it, can't beat that sound though

end of the road · 13-02-2014 09:25PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Well i guess you told me boss

Oh wait

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193083/First-picture-boy-3-died-falling-grandfathers-tractor.html

A three-year-old boy has died after falling from his grandfather's tractor as the pair mowed a village sports field as his parents relaxed just yards away.

Cory James was sat with grandfather Christopher Mayes on the machine which was pulling mowing blades when the boy somehow toppled off.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/14-year-old-boy-killed-after-fall-from-tractor-1.1504900

A 14-year-old boy was killed yesterday evening after he fell from a tractor in Co Cork.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/news/stories/10/06/boy-killed-after-falling-off-tractor/

A nine-year-old No 64 Village Corentyne boy was yesterday crushed to death after falling from a moving tractor in the No 64 back lands.

Yeah no safety to the child whatsoever right :rolleyes:

accidents can happen sadly, doesn't mean the vast majority of children aren't completely safe on a tractor

ProfessorPlum · 13-02-2014 09:25PM

Jesus, I was up on tractors as a young kid, driving them from when I could just about handle a bike, but it doesn't change the fact that having small children on tractors is dangerous.
It is unbelievable that people on this thread who it seems are from rural areas don't seem to realise this risk.
I hope to god that none of you are farming, and if you are that you don't have kids to put in danger.
And the line of 'assessing the risks' or what ever - yeah - you assess the risk and mitigate it by not letting your toddler up on the tractor.
Blatant disregard for child safety, much like the remark earlier in the thread that it was over mollycoddling kids to let them play in their front gardens beside Croker with 400,000 strangers walking by. Are you people out of your minds????

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 09:26PM

end of the road wrote: »

ah jesus i was up on tractors and other stuff as a young fella, i loved it, seriously people these days, no wonder kids are so precious

My son is precious to me. Maybe Dublin parents care about their kids more than country parents, someone should do a survey.

ProfessorPlum · 13-02-2014 09:29PM

end of the road wrote: »

accidents can happen sadly, doesn't mean the vast majority of children aren't completely safe on a tractor

What, you mean the ones that are lucky enough not to have the accident??

bumper234 wrote: »

My son is precious to me. Maybe Dublin parents care about their kids more than country parents, someone should do a survey.

Nah, not necessarily, I've plenty of relatives farming and they all value their kids enough to keep them out of danger on the farms. Just the knuckle heads on this thread who just don't seem to get it.

Anyway, back to Croker......

Mince Pie · 13-02-2014 09:32PM

WTAF have tractors got to do with this? Ladies just arrange a meeting for handbags at dawn and get it over with!

Smidge · 13-02-2014 09:32PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

If you don't understand what I'm saying then I there isn't much hope for you.

Its not back peddling at all I was just trying to help you understand.

When someone says "there is no safety risk" it's never 100% true as there is virtually nothing in this world that is without risk.

It's hard to hold a conversation/argue with people who need everything explained to them and search the internet ways to "prove" you wrong. I've enough for doing.

Would that be just like trying to explain to people that 400 thousand people, and thats not including the "extras" like electrician's, builders, entourage and so on and so forth descending on where you live and almost totally taking over YOUR residential area and causing damage and disruption no end for a solid five days(+ two for arrival and departure)and then for another 3 days and thats without the almost 50 other game days of the year, causes the people who live there a nightmare?

wedger · 13-02-2014 09:33PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

And you have the stage plans?? Or are you doing the same thing that you are berating me for?? :rolleyes:

As I stated before Aiken rep said last night at the meeting that they were planning a great stage...

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 09:34PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Nah, not necessarily, I've plenty of relatives farming and they all value their kids enough to keep them out of danger on the farms. Just the knuckle heads on this thread who just don't seem to get it.

Anyway, back to Croker......

Yup

For our country cousins who may not have heard, EVERY Dublin radio station has had as their top story the report about last nights meeting between Croke park management and the residents of the surrounding area. This is starting to get a LOT of exposure and no matter what you all think it will be the Dublin counsillors who will be making the decision on these licences. Dublin councillors who will be looking for votes soon in the local elections.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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