Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

John_Rambo · 13-02-2014 12:33AM

end of the road wrote: »

why would residents be herling abuse at people at a meeting

Because the Dublin City Counciler admitted there was an agreement (the one you don't believe exists even though all parties involved agree that there was an agreement) but they weren't going to adhere to the agreement.

I dont Wash Myself · 13-02-2014 12:39AM

Psychobabble wrote: »

Please sign up for 'Residents versus Croke Park for Beginners' :rolleyes: or at least be bothered to read through a thread you see fit to comment on.
Yes, residents knew what they were 'getting themselves in for' if they bought in the area in recent years, that's 3 concerts, as laid down in the grant of planning application, not 8, as Croke Park are now trying to force through.

Sorry I'm way too lazy to read the whole thread
I do have some sympathy for the residents but I honestly think there pissing against the wind by trying to get them called off it will never happen theres too much moola too be made and. I've no doubt a few brown envelopes will be given to the people that make the decisions so nothing will be done about it

Smidge · 13-02-2014 12:39AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Because the Dublin City Counciler admitted there was an agreement (the one you don't believe exists even though all parties involved agree that there was an agreement) but they weren't going to adhere to the agreement.

I think one of the first things the CPRA need to do now is get an interim injunction put in place on these Garth Brooks concerts until the situation is fully assessed.

MonsterCookie · 13-02-2014 12:43AM

I live about 20 minutes walk from Croker, and can sympathise with the residents that live closer to the stadium. Match days and concert days are a nightmare.

The argument that they knew what they were getting into is BS IMO. Should they just put up with an unlimited number of events?

I'm sure any fair minded person would agree that the number of events should be moderated, with residents consulted to ensure the right balance is struck.

Donaldio · 13-02-2014 01:06AM

Probarbly they should receive compensation or something i think five sold out shows equals 27 million or there abouts.

stefan idiot jones · 13-02-2014 03:29AM

Have any of the local residents got any connections with Dublin Airport?

Poor ole Garth may be carrying three grams of something or other in his hand luggage.

Bingo. Next plane home to Urinal, Tennessee.

Overheal · 13-02-2014 04:01AM

For starters hire a tow company to take any vehicle illegally parked on the streets - hire several.

hatrickpatrick · 13-02-2014 04:16AM

wedger wrote: »

We live beside the stadium and we put up with upto 40 event days that cause restrictions on access/egress from our homes. Where we can't let kids go out and play, where we can't get to the shops etc etc etc. we put up with this we know this is going to happen and we do "suck it up" and get on with it. We even put up with 3, 4 or 5 concerts a year but now that's heading towards 9 (American football) and this will impinge on our work our ability to get children to from schools/crèche it will see 5 nights of our area in TOTAL LOCKDOWN with no vehicular access for hours and then the Garda Chopper hovering until about 1 am overhead. This is excessive, with no consultation with the locals. This prior consultation was agreed after the U2 concerts and proof will be produced at the meeting tonight. What croke park have done here is sell 400,000 tickets so those with tickets will seem an overwhelming force against the residents... And in the interest of public good DCC will grant the licence... Well time will tell and I'm not buying a Mon or Tues night ticket for garthy!!!

So it's not so much about the concerts or concert-goers as it is about the ridiculous level of restrictions imposed on the movements of local residents during the events? Now that I can actually sympathize with, I can' see any reason these events can't be held without, as you put it, a total lockdown for the surrounding area. That's ridiculous.

Has anyone thought of specifically campaigning about that - with regard to EVERY event - instead of the number of actual events?

The former is a very legitimate complaint, the latter sounds too much like city nimbyism for a lot of people to get behind.

kippy · 13-02-2014 07:41AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So it's not so much about the concerts or concert-goers as it is about the ridiculous level of restrictions imposed on the movements of local residents during the events? Now that I can actually sympathize with, I can' see any reason these events can't be held without, as you put it, a total lockdown for the surrounding area. That's ridiculous.

Has anyone thought of specifically campaigning about that - with regard to EVERY event - instead of the number of actual events?

The former is a very legitimate complaint, the latter sounds too much like city nimbyism for a lot of people to get behind.

Its about everything that goes with an event attracting 400000 people.......
What exactly did you think it was about? The residents not likein Garth Brooks music?

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 08:32AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yeah, because the 80,000 people each night are going to boycott local businesses. :rolleyes:

I'm not on about a few pubs or eateries that will make money I am on about the hundreds of small businesses in the area that are forced to close on these days.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/locals-vent-anger-as-sixth-garth-gig-on-cards-29987608.html

Local businesses were at odds as to how the concert will affect them.

Conor English, of Phoenix Tyres, adjacent to Croke Park, said his business can only remain open for half days.

"We can only open for a half day, and then the roads are closed off. We still have to pay our staff," Mr English said.

ronjo · 13-02-2014 10:31AM

end of the road wrote: »

make it public or it doesn't exist, why would residents be herling abuse at people at a meeting, that says more about them then about the GAA or promotors

I dont think I have ever read something more stupid on boards and thats saying a lot.

anncoates · 13-02-2014 10:39AM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

I think the residents genuinely do have a case, as there was verbal agreement after the U2 gigs with the then head of croke park and then gaa president that there would be no more than three gigs. They challenged the now head of croke park and he basically just said he wasn't there and this was what they were going to do.

obviously a gentlemen's agreement requires gentlemen on both sides.

My feeling is that the residents need to stop playing softball with the GAA who will - speaking from experience - will just do what they want if they perceive that it's in their own interests. The residents should be looking at all options from making it a serious political issue with local representatives, talking to the media and right up to peaceful protests and possibly blockades/disruption of the area during events.

13-02-2014 10:47AM

anncoates wrote: »

obviously a gentlemen's agreement requires gentlemen on both sides.

My feeling is that the residents need to stop playing softball with the GAA who will - speaking from experience - will just do what they want if they perceive that it's in their own interests. The residents should be looking at all options from making it a serious political issue with local representatives, talking to the media and right up to peaceful protests and possibly blockades/disruption of the area during events.

In order for a media campaign to work you need a cause people will support. A selfish group of people attempting to ruin one of the nights of the year for 160k people are going to get nothing but abuse from the public at large.

It's obvious from the thread that Dubs think they are superior to people from the country and that they want to keep us out of "their city". Luckily for ye I dislike the place and only spend as long as is absolutely necessary there but one thing is for sure it will be a victory for the country against Dublin when these concerts all go ahead.

anncoates · 13-02-2014 10:53AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

A selfish group of people attempting to ruin one of the nights of the year for 160k people are going to get nothing but abuse from the public at large.

I wouldn't be so sure.

If a mere internet thread about the rights of residents is enough to inspire the type of passive-aggressive bile we've seen in this thread, the kind of abuse you're hinting at might well disgust the wider public - the majority of the public that, despite the propaganda, don't care enough about Garth Brooks and "HQ" to belittle residents in their own community.

MicraBoy · 13-02-2014 10:56AM

When I was buying I remember going to see a house in the shadow of Croke Park. Really liked the house and on second viewing one of the neighbours was on her front step. She told us not to buy as "our lives would be a misery". That was 10 years ago and I'm kinda glad I didn't!

13-02-2014 10:58AM

anncoates wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure.

If a mere internet thread about the rights of residents is enough to inspire the type of passive-aggressive bile we've seen in this thread, the kind of abuse you're hinting at might well disgust the wider public - the majority of the public that, despite the propaganda, don't care enough about Garth Brooks and "HQ" to belittle residents in their own community.

Everyone with any interest in Gaelic sports will side with the GAA regardless of their like for Garth brooks or not. Everyone going to Garth brooks will side with the GAA. That's already an awful lot of people and more importantly a very vocal group. There will be lots who don't care either way so the amount supporting "the cause" will be small enough.

The amount of money that's going to be generated by these concerts would make it political suicide to have any hand in having them canceled so I can't see many politicians backing the cancellation either.

Ush1 · 13-02-2014 11:00AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Everyone with any interest in Gaelic sports will side with the GAA regardless of their like for Garth brooks or not. Everyone going to Garth brooks will side with the GAA. That's already an awful lot of people and more importantly a very vocal group. There will be lots who don't care either way so the amount supporting "the cause" will be small enough.

The amount of money that's going to be generated by these concerts would make it political suicide to have any hand in having them canceled so I can't see many politicians backing the cancellation either.

I've interest in Gaelic sports and I'm siding with the residents.

osarusan · 13-02-2014 11:01AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

It's obvious from the thread that Dubs think they are superior to people from the country and that they want to keep us out of "their city".

No it isn't obvious.

It is obvious that there are a number of people who only care about getting to see a concert and do not care about entertaining the possibility that residents have legitimate grounds for complaint.

ronjo · 13-02-2014 11:02AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Everyone with any interest in Gaelic sports will side with the GAA regardless of their like for Garth brooks or not. Everyone going to Garth brooks will side with the GAA. That's already an awful lot of people and more importantly a very vocal group. There will be lots who don't care either way so the amount supporting "the cause" will be small enough.

The amount of money that's going to be generated by these concerts would make it political suicide to have any hand in having them canceled so I can't see many politicians backing the cancellation either.

I am a big GAA fan too and I am siding with the residents.
You are talking out of your backside on this.

HeidiHeidi · 13-02-2014 11:05AM

The residents made the 10o'c news headlines just now.

I wonder will they be on the likes of PK or SO'R? I hope so, and I hope they fight their corner well.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 11:29AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Everyone with any interest in Gaelic sports will side with the GAA regardless of their like for Garth brooks or not. Everyone going to Garth brooks will side with the GAA. That's already an awful lot of people and more importantly a very vocal group. There will be lots who don't care either way so the amount supporting "the cause" will be small enough.

Funny you should say this, The Dublin manager disagrees with you.

The amount of money that's going to be generated by these concerts would make it political suicide to have any hand in having them canceled so I can't see many politicians backing the cancellation either.

Why do you say that? Local Councillors are more interested in the local people than ary and Jimmy from Kerry. It's the LOCAL Councillors who will be making the decisions on licences.

13-02-2014 11:31AM

Ush1 wrote: »

I've interest in Gaelic sports and I'm siding with the residents.

I'm a supporter of the GAA and I'm siding with the residents too.

You'd better sit down for the next bit Nox, ....... I'm also a country bumpkin, the possessor of a Stetson and Mobetta shirt handed to me by Garth Brooks and I've just put turf on the fire!

B0jangles · 13-02-2014 11:31AM

I think the residents should slip Leroy Miniature Photographer a few quid, he/she's done their side no end of good with the obnoxious posting style and bad arguments

13-02-2014 11:47AM

B0jangles wrote: »

I think the residents should slip Leroy Miniature Photographer a few quid, he/she's done their side no end of good with the obnoxious posting style and bad arguments

I can't really see how any straight thinking person thinks a few days of disruption warrants the cancellation of some of the biggest events in Ireland for years. Its mind boggling in the extreme.

If someone came in and read this thread, but missed the actual number of days they would think this was going to go on for 6 months. It sickening the attitude of stuck up residents that think 3 working days of disruption (one being a friday too which only half counts) means they can throw their toys out of the pram and jump on the bandwagon.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 11:57AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I can't really see how any straight thinking person thinks a few days of disruption warrants the cancellation of some of the biggest events in Ireland for years. Its mind boggling in the extreme.

If someone came in and read this thread, but missed the actual number of days they would think this was going to go on for 6 months. It sickening the attitude of stuck up residents that think 3 working days of disruption (one being a friday too which only half counts) means they can throw their toys out of the pram and jump on the bandwagon.

Why?

13-02-2014 12:00PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Why?

Because it's Friday, loads of people finish early, head to town after work, go to the pub after work, are in a good mood so don't mind more traffic etc etc.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 12:11PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Because it's Friday, loads of people finish early, head to town after work, go to the pub after work, are in a good mood so don't mind more traffic etc etc.

I work Monday to Friday and never finish early on Friday, In fact i don't know anyone who works a half day on Friday. Must be a country thing.

13-02-2014 12:17PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I work Monday to Friday and never finish early on Friday, In fact i don't know anyone who works a half day on Friday. Must be a country thing.

I know plenty that finish early on a Friday, I didn't mean a half day more from 3pm onwards (4pm being a very common Friday finish time), though I know a few who do have a half day on Fridays.

I'm not referring out the country either all these would be working in either Galway city or Cork city.

I can look out the window of work (right in the city centre) at 3pm on a Friday and traffic is building and is mental by 4pm, doesn't start building till around 5 the other days. What does that tell you?

Ush1 · 13-02-2014 12:22PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I know plenty that finish early on a Friday, I didn't mean a half day more from 3pm onwards (4pm being a very common Friday finish time), though I know a few who do have a half day on Fridays.

I'm not referring out the country either all these would be working in either Galway city or Cork city.

I can look out the window of work (right in the city centre) at 3pm on a Friday and traffic is building and is mental by 4pm, doesn't start building till around 5 the other days. What does that tell you?

That you work for the government and spend too much time looking out the window?

dub_skav · 13-02-2014 12:22PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I know plenty that finish early on a Friday, I didn't mean a half day more from 3pm onwards (4pm being a very common Friday finish time), though I know a few who do have a half day on Fridays.

I'm not referring out the country either all these would be working in either Galway city or Cork city.

I can look out the window of work (right in the city centre) at 3pm on a Friday and traffic is building and is mental by 4pm, doesn't start building till around 5 the other days. What does that tell you?

That you enjoy making irrelevant points?

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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