Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Smidge · 12-02-2014 11:40PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Maybe if you understood it, it might not get on your wick as much.

In your analogy above, it would be like putting in planning for a max of 3 currently. If you wanted to put another 5 skylights in you would have to go back to the planning authority and ask for permission for them.

You call up the glazers and order 5 new skylights, don't have them installed yet, and then contact the planning authority, as stipulated in the original planning application. They may let you go ahead, they may not, but before you ordered the new skylights, you had a good idea that they would.

So is what you are saying is that the whole system is corrupt?
I mean how would you have a good idea that they would, enough to give you confidence to go ahead and order the extra skylights?

Also, you have completely misunderstood my post.
Initial planning included 3 skylights.
In order to get more you would need to submit a new application for planning.
CP had approval for 3 gigs anything after is subject to licence.
A licence can be revoked, you know;)

bumper234 · 12-02-2014 11:40PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Even the GAA acknowledge there was an agreement. What makes you disbelieve, what makes you think a whole community would lie about something?

Because then he/she would have to admit they were wrong and something tells me he/she does not like to be proven wrong.

end of the road · 12-02-2014 11:41PM

Smidge wrote: »

Ah here, this is getting on my wick

Say you are granted planning permission for a house?
You must submit the plans.

The council get back to you and agree to grant your planning but include restrictions.
One of these restrictions is, say, adding 5 extra skylights.
You are only allowed 3 skylights.

But a couple of years later you say, feck it I want my extra skylights and put 5 extra in.
Council man drives past and sees these extra skylights and knows they are not part of your permission.
Now you whinge "But shure they skylights aren't botherin' anyone shure and I want them"

It WAS a planning stipulation to have only THREE.
And you BROKE that stipulation requirement of your planning.

You will be made TAKE OUT THOSE EXTRA SKYLIGHTS.

a mute comparison, in my case i would only be allowed 3 and thats it, whereas croke park are allowed no more then 3 non-sporting events per year unless they apply for an events licence, so they can apply for an events licence if they want to have more then 3 non-sporting events, whereas i can't apply for more then 3 skylights unless the council stipulation says, we'l grant you planning permitian for your house however you can only have 3 skylights unless you apply for seperate planning permitian for more later on, which means i can have 4 skylights if i want but i will have to apply for seperate planning permitian for the 4th one after the house is built

Smidge · 12-02-2014 11:41PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Even the GAA acknowledge there was an agreement, it's there with An Board Pleanala. What makes you disbelieve, what makes you think a whole community would lie about something?

Well this is what I'm saying John, can the residents/advocates now completely bypass GAA/Aiken and go back to ABP and take it from there?

John_Rambo · 12-02-2014 11:44PM

Smidge wrote: »

Well this is what I'm saying John, can the residents/advocates now completely bypass GAA/Aiken and go back to ABP and take it from there?

I don't know. But any trust in the GAA is slowly being eroded and I'll be wary of any promises they make in the future. Amazed that they'd just basically say "fook you, we're doing what we want"... just as amazing as the attitudes on this thread.

wedger · 12-02-2014 11:44PM

@ one for the road... Sorry to bust your bubble but the 2009 agreement was read out at the meeting and the general consensus was that it was not to be made public. No point in giving away the ammunition to the enemy!!!!

In fact a local councillor actually had not only the 2009 agreement but also one from 1998. Once these were mentioned Croke Park refused to be drawn on wether they would honour any of them. Think the term is sh1tting themselves!!!

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 11:45PM

Smidge wrote: »

So is what you are saying is that the whole system is corrupt?
I mean how would you have a good idea that they would, enough to give you confidence to go ahead and order the extra skylights?

Also, you have completely misunderstood my post.
Initial planning included 3 skylights.
In order to get more you would need to submit a new application for planning.
CP had approval for 3 gigs anything after is subject to licence.
A licence can be revoked, you know;)

Maybe they realised that there is a recession on, that pubs, restaurants, shops, hotels would gain huge profits from a money-spinning event like this, sounded out a few members of AGS, DCC etc, or their party colleagues in the Dail to see if something like this would be feasible, or if it would be frowned upon from the powers that be and got a positive response.

Nothing to do with corruption, just asking the question before going ahead with the application.

Smidge · 12-02-2014 11:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

a mute comparison, in my case i would only be allowed 3 and thats it, whereas croke park are allowed no more then 3 non-sporting events per year unless they apply for an events licence, so they can apply for an events licence if they want to have more then 3 non-sporting events, whereas i can't apply for more then 3 skylights unless the council stipulation says, we'l grant you planning permitian for your house however you can only have 3 skylights unless you apply for seperate planning permitian for more later on, which means i can have 4 skylights if i want but i will have to apply for seperate planning permitian for the 4th one after the house is built

You at least got that bit correct.

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 11:46PM

wedger wrote: »

@ one for the road... Sorry to bust your bubble but the 2009 agreement was read out at the meeting and the general consensus was that it was not to be made public. No point in giving away the ammunition to the enemy!!!!

In fact a local councillor actually had not only the 2009 agreement but also one from 1998. Once these were mentioned Croke Park refused to be drawn on wether they would honour any of them. Think the term is sh1tting themselves!!!

He had it in writing signed by the board of the GAA??

Smidge · 12-02-2014 11:46PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Maybe they realised that there is a recession on, that pubs, restaurants, shops, hotels would gain huge profits from a money-spinning event like this, sounded out a few members of AGS, DCC etc, or their party colleagues in the Dail to see if something like this would be feasible, or if it would be frowned upon from the powers that be and got a positive response.

Nothing to do with corruption, just asking the question before going ahead with the application.

Yes that all does sound pretty.........ethical:rolleyes:

Smidge · 12-02-2014 11:49PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I don't know. But any trust in the GAA is slowly being eroded and I'll be wary of any promises they make in the future. Amazed that they'd just basically say "fook you, we're doing what we want"... just as amazing as the attitudes on this thread.

Ah I think it may very well be time to have a look into this so...

http://www.gopetition.com/petition-campaigns/Ireland/

Reckon it could hit the ground running

Plenty of names may very well make aiken go out and invest in plastic underwear!!

end of the road · 12-02-2014 11:49PM

wedger wrote: »

@ one for the road... Sorry to bust your bubble but the 2009 agreement was read out at the meeting and the general consensus was that it was not to be made public. No point in giving away the ammunition to the enemy!!!!

i still maintain that it doesn't exist, if it does, then it should be made public as proof

John_Rambo · 12-02-2014 11:53PM

end of the road wrote: »

i still maintain that it doesn't exist, if it does

Are you joking or trolling?

bumper234 · 12-02-2014 11:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Maybe they realised that there is a recession on, that pubs, restaurants, shops, hotels would gain huge profits from a money-spinning event like this, sounded out a few members of AGS, DCC etc, or their party colleagues in the Dail to see if something like this would be feasible, or if it would be frowned upon from the powers that be and got a positive response.

Nothing to do with corruption, just asking the question before going ahead with the application.

And what about the businesses in the area that will LOSE money on those days?

Stheno · 12-02-2014 11:57PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And what about the businesses in the area that will LOSE money on those days?

I live in Swords and commute through this area daily

I love the Cheese Pantry

During these concerts, I am either taking time off, or working from home
I will not be socialising in the area as I frequently do

I certainly won't be eating in the Cheese Pantry in that time, so business lost there and I'm sure I'm not alone.

I dont Wash Myself · 12-02-2014 11:57PM

The residents knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought a house in close proximity to a big stadium
Do they complain when the GAA events take place every year?
No they don't

kippy · 12-02-2014 11:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The oft mentioned, never seen, mystical, mythical agreement

Whether there is a written agreement between CP and a residents association at this point is completely irrelevant.
To have your property and access, as well as the noise and associated issues that these gigs will bring for 7 nights over your summer (on top of the GAA events)is away too much to ask.
I hope CP and the promoters get a wake up call by their licenses for all the gigs not being granted although it is a rarity for this to happen.
(It does transpire there was a verbal agreement in place between the last head of the GAA and the residents but that looks pointless at this stage also)

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 11:58PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And what about the businesses in the area that will LOSE money on those days?

I'm sure the Govt etc will look at the tax take, and the amount of money that goes into the public purse. This will be huge!!! 9% on millions brought in on tourist related profits. 23% on shopping etc.

kippy · 12-02-2014 11:59PM

I dont Wash Myself wrote: »

The residents knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought a house in close proximity to a big stadium
Do they complain when the GAA events take place every year?
No they don't

Keep rehashing that argument..........

They have 7 sell out gigs to contend with as well as all the setting up and tearing down that goes with it, on top of the games.

They are well within their rights to tell the GAA and Aitken to go and get fcuked.

bumper234 · 13-02-2014 12:00AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm sure the Govt etc will look at the tax take, and the amount of money that goes into the public purse. This will be huge!!! 9% on millions brought in on tourist related profits. 23% on shopping etc.

So yet again your attitude is **** the local people and the businesses :rolleyes:

kippy · 13-02-2014 12:00AM

Mr.S wrote: »

The gigs will 100% go ahead, do you really think Aiken just assumed everything would be grand and no one would object?

They (and the residents) aren't stupid. They will come to an arrangement.

Yep, they will, theres too much at stake and so long as the residents are looked after well I'd have no issues with that.
But the stand HAS to be made.

Smidge · 13-02-2014 12:01AM

kippy wrote: »

Whether there is a written agreement between CP and a residents association at this point is completely irrelevant.
To have your property and access, as well as the noise and associated issues that these gigs will bring for 7 nights over your summer (on top of the GAA events)is away too much to ask.
I hope CP and the promoters get a wake up call by their licenses for all the gigs not being granted although it is a rarity for this to happen.
(It does transpire there was a verbal agreement in place between the last head of the GAA and the residents but that looks pointless at this stage also)

Its actually EIGHT nights

Psychobabble · 13-02-2014 12:03AM

I dont Wash Myself wrote: »

The residents knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought a house in close proximity to a big stadium
Do they complain when the GAA events take place every year?
No they don't

Please sign up for 'Residents versus Croke Park for Beginners' :rolleyes: or at least be bothered to read through a thread you see fit to comment on.
Yes, residents knew what they were 'getting themselves in for' if they bought in the area in recent years, that's 3 concerts, as laid down in the grant of planning application, not 8, as Croke Park are now trying to force through.

wedger · 13-02-2014 12:03AM

@ Onefortheroad - Why should it be made public? It concerns those that live in the area and Croke Park. The residents that attended were of the opinion that it would not be published as it may be the basis of future proceedings.
What you need to know here is that it's there and signed by Christy Cooney and Padraig Duffy...!!!

So thats why Croke Park clammed up on it... They only comment they could come up with is... "I wasn't privy to that agreement"!!! He knew it was there but refused to be drawn on it. Then when the local City Councillor said that he had the agreement along with the 1998 agreement, Croke Park didnt speak again. They sat there and unusually took all the abuse being hurled at them... they had no defence no come back... The stadium Director knew that if he commented on the agreements then he'd be further in the sh1t. Usually at meetings this guy will defend the stadium to the hilt he will hammer you down on every point but tonight... well he was like a rabbit caught in the headlines!!!!

weldoninhio · 13-02-2014 12:04AM

bumper234 wrote: »

So yet again your attitude is **** the local people and the businesses :rolleyes:

Yeah, because the 80,000 people each night are going to boycott local businesses. :rolleyes:

weldoninhio · 13-02-2014 12:06AM

wedger wrote: »

@ Onefortheroad - Why should it be made public? It concerns those that live in the area and Croke Park. The residents that attended were of the opinion that it would not be published as it may be the basis of future proceedings.
What you need to know here is that it's there and signed by Christy Cooney and Padraig Duffy...!!!

So thats why Croke Park clammed up on it... They only comment they could come up with is... "I wasn't privy to that agreement"!!! He knew it was there but refused to be drawn on it. Then when the local City Councillor said that he had the agreement along with the 1998 agreement, Croke Park didnt speak again. They sat there and unusually took all the abuse being hurled at them... they had no defence no come back... The stadium Director knew that if he commented on the agreements then he'd be further in the sh1t. Usually at meetings this guy will defend the stadium to the hilt he will hammer you down on every point but tonight... well he was like a rabbit caught in the headlines!!!!

So the alleged document that would give the residents a leg to stand on, and they want to keep it secret :rolleyes:

end of the road · 13-02-2014 12:15AM

wedger wrote: »

@ Onefortheroad - Why should it be made public? It concerns those that live in the area and Croke Park. The residents that attended were of the opinion that it would not be published as it may be the basis of future proceedings.
What you need to know here is that it's there and signed by Christy Cooney and Padraig Duffy...!!!

So thats why Croke Park clammed up on it... They only comment they could come up with is... "I wasn't privy to that agreement"!!! He knew it was there but refused to be drawn on it. Then when the local City Councillor said that he had the agreement along with the 1998 agreement, Croke Park didnt speak again. They sat there and unusually took all the abuse being hurled at them... they had no defence no come back... The stadium Director knew that if he commented on the agreements then he'd be further in the sh1t. Usually at meetings this guy will defend the stadium to the hilt he will hammer you down on every point but tonight... well he was like a rabbit caught in the headlines!!!!

make it public or it doesn't exist, why would residents be herling abuse at people at a meeting, that says more about them then about the GAA or promotors

wedger · 13-02-2014 12:16AM

I dont Wash Myself wrote: »

The residents knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought a house in close proximity to a big stadium
Do they complain when the GAA events take place every year?
No they don't

Your dead right wash we don't complain... thats the point we get on with all the sh1t that goes with all these events and suck it up year after year after year... but now its gone too far, now we're not putting up with the 5 nights of concerts and about 6 days of associated works without any prior consultation as agreed!!!

wedger · 13-02-2014 12:27AM

Good old end of the road... obviously your not to acquainted with the process of planning... not much need for it where you come from maybe... Why should we put our case through the ringer in here and not before the powers that make these decisions.

If the stadium Director isn't privy to these documents it may be the case that they have mis laid them or worse not taken them seriously. So why put them out there for them to see before we put them before a planning hearing as evidence... no point in giving away all our secrets... GAA big boys they should understand administration by now... Maybe the filed them under bin thinking that they were in the clear and won't need them again!!!

Anyway they have a lot of answering to do... They were told by the council after the U2 mess to engage pro actively with the community and engage in positive relationship building... this point of reneging on an agreement is none of the above!!!

RiverOfLove · 13-02-2014 12:28AM

The Croke Park Residents Association writing to the queen:

http://www.politics.ie/forum/culture-community/160587-croke-park-residents-association-writes-pathetic-letter-queen.html

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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