School kids not allowed in supermarket

jimgoose · 12-02-2014 05:41PM

Novalee Grumpy Oxygen wrote: »

That's life though. Rules are often made to curtail the activities of the minority eg they've recently made quite stringent sick leave rules where I work because a small minority were abusing the system and taking ridiculous amounts of sick time. It now means everyone has to get Dr's certs for sick leave of more than one day. Annoying but there was no other way of dealing with it.

Uh-huh. This sort of thing will continue while we put up with a small minority of disruptive loo-lahs spoiling things for normal people.

Diemos · 12-02-2014 05:47PM

Always drove me bonkers as a teenager, I never shoplifted or anything like that but I would get followed by security in large towns, in the village I grew up in, people behind me in the queue would be called up infront of me when it was my turn to get served.
I don't think teenagers today are any different, a few bad eggs spoiling it for everyone.
The shop are taking the lazy approach but it's their prerogative, if the parents / students don't like it then they can take their business elsewhere.

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 05:51PM

Novalee Grumpy Oxygen wrote: »

That's Ireland though. Rules are often made to curtail the activities of the minority eg they've recently made quite stringent sick leave rules where I work because a small minority were abusing the system and taking ridiculous amounts of sick time. It now means everyone has to get Dr's certs for sick leave of more than one day. Annoying but there was no other way of dealing with it.

FYP.

Never get to the root of the problem, just put a blanket ban on it.

Ihatecuddles · 12-02-2014 05:54PM

Nothing worse than going into Centra and there's 20 school kids in front of you at the deli.

Then you're up, and there's no spicy chicken left!!

Boombastic · 12-02-2014 05:56PM

They banned me hanging around the local school in my Tesco uniform, it's so unfair

cloud493 · 12-02-2014 05:56PM

We have that ban in the shop I work. Much better. Less noise, less cocky young ones running round shoving stuff in their pockets, or knocking stuff over. Bliss

codrulz · 12-02-2014 06:01PM

Novalee Grumpy Oxygen wrote: »

My friend's child goes to a school near a large Tesco. The school has recently made a rule that kids cannot go into the supermarket in their school uniform. Apparently they're fed up getting complaints from the store and its customers about gangs of kids messing around, egging each other on to rob stuff, standing in big gangs at the doors blocking other customers from getting in and out, running around the aisles banging into people and so on. My friend thinks the ban is fair enough but she said some parents are up in arms about it and have written furious emails to the school principal and are trying to get other parents to object as well.
Just wondering how you'd feel about this ban if it was your child's school. Personally I can see the sense in it. The principal has better things to be doing than dealing with constant complaints from the supermarket, and it won't kill the kids to do without a bag of crisps or mars bar on their way home.

I think the main issue parents are giving out about is that they believe their children have a right to enter a supermarket in a uniform whether it be on there own or with their parents, the issue isn't children being banned from the store, it's that they must be out of uniform to enter the shop, which parents believe is
Unfair, children have the right the wear there uniform outside of school.

rubadub · 12-02-2014 06:03PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know, kind of seems like the shops problem, I don't see how the school has the right to dictate what amenities other people can use.

My school had a similar sort of rule. If the shop was to ban them there would be war, makes sense to me that the principal did it.

Pupils still broke the rule. It was really very, very simple. The pupils who broke the rule simply made sure they did none of the nonsense mentioned below

Novalee Grumpy Oxygen wrote: »

Apparently they're fed up getting complaints from the store and its customers about gangs of kids messing around, egging each other on to rob stuff, standing in big gangs at the doors blocking other customers from getting in and out, running around the aisles banging into people and so on.

and therefore the school got no calls about them. I suspect the same might be going on here.

JumpShivers · 12-02-2014 06:05PM

The Aldi near me won't let children on without a parent, it may be the same with teenagers also.

Centra near me also has gangs of teenagers in the summer, sitting at the tables outside.

I havta agree with the Tesco, although for the good pupils who just go in to buy their lunch, there's always a minority who ruin it.

phasers · 12-02-2014 06:06PM

eh, sucks for the kids that aren't causing trouble but the problems must be bad if the shop feel that it's worth losing the kids' custom.

ScumLord · 12-02-2014 06:13PM

blackwhite wrote: »

Tesco ban the kids, plenty of them will turn it into a game of cat and mouse, trying to get in without security stopping them.

They don't have to just target them when their in school uniforms, if it's a relatively small town the people working there probably have kids of their own and know the trouble makers. Wait for one to come in with a parent and then enforce the ban in front of the parent.

Any school I've ever dealt with has had some provision in the rules that mean you are subject to school rules if you are wearing the uniform. When wearing the uniform you are deemed to be representing the school, or some similar logic.

Yes, schools started that craic during my school years, it came in with the boom when schools started to ape expensive American schools in everything but the quality of the education they gave out.

mike_ie wrote: »

I don't agree. How is the shop supposed to identify individual children from security footage.

All human beings come with a unique identifier called a face. They could just use those to identify the people involved.

12-02-2014 06:15PM

So it's bad if we don't presume innocence when an adult is accused of a crime because their guilt has to be proven, but it's okay to profile kids on the basis of their clothes and age and assume they're all thieving troublemakers, and if parents get upset about it it's ok to assume their kids are the worst of the troublemaking thieves, and it's because the parents don't hit the kids enough.

Sounds reasonable.

Saggyjocks · 12-02-2014 06:21PM

A lot of the shops around my way will let 2 or 3 in at a time during lunch hour, seems to work well doesn't put off other shoppers but can't help but feel sorry for them if it's lashing out and they're stood outside queuing

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 06:25PM

mike_ie wrote: »

I don't agree. How is the shop supposed to identify individual children from security footage.

I can see a spate of armed robberies happening now with the criminals all wearing school uniforms, now that Mike_ie has pointed out that its impossible to identify individuals in uniforms :pac:

Tokyo · 12-02-2014 06:58PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I can see a spate of armed robberies happening now with the criminals all wearing school uniforms, now that Mike_ie has pointed out that its impossible to identify individuals in uniforms :pac:

Yep, because Tesco is going to load up each image and compare it to The Big Tesco Database of Local Schoolchildren that every store has. Rather than the common sense approach of thinking "well the kids are wearing an XYZ school uniform, maybe we should inform them." I assumed that I wouldn't have to connect the dots for people - it seems that assumption was an overreach on my part.

Same parents jumping up and down about the school's decision are the same parents jumping up and down saying that the school is responsible for their children from the hours of 8-3.

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 07:10PM

mike_ie wrote: »

Yep, because Tesco is going to load up each image and compare it to The Big Tesco Database of Local Schoolchildren that every store has. Rather than the common sense approach of thinking "well the kids are wearing an XYZ school uniform, maybe we should inform them." I assumed that I wouldn't have to connect the dots for people - it seems that assumption was an overreach on my part.

Same parents jumping up and down about the school's decision are the same parents jumping up and down saying that the school is responsible for their children from the hours of 8-3.

Or it could go through the 30 mins or so of footage from lunchtime and pass the images of the trouble makers on to the school or just bar them. Troublemakers get banned, Tesco makes money off the non-troublemakers. Everyones a winner.

Edit: Have Tesco got a Big Tesco Database of people in civilian clothing to stop regular shop-lifters/troublemakers??

moral · 12-02-2014 07:21PM

mike_ie wrote: »

Yep, because Tesco is going to load up each image and compare it to The Big Tesco Database of Local Schoolchildren that every store has. Rather than the common sense approach of thinking "well the kids are wearing an XYZ school uniform, maybe we should inform them." I assumed that I wouldn't have to connect the dots for people - it seems that assumption was an overreach on my part.

Same parents jumping up and down about the school's decision are the same parents jumping up and down saying that the school is responsible for their children from the hours of 8-3.

We were never allowed hang around the town when we were in school, it had no adverse effects on us, quite the opposite, transition year students set up a mini-company and made a nice profit from it.

My children will be going to a secondary school in a couple of years and this will be a deciding factor on what school. When I send my child to school, its to learn, their lunch break should only be long enough to eat their lunch and not waste time hanging around the town.

They only ones complaining about this would have little to complain about if they got their act together and sent their children to school prepared for the day i.e. with a sufficient packet lunch.

blackwhite · 12-02-2014 07:22PM

ScumLord wrote: »

They don't have to just target them when their in school uniforms, if it's a relatively small town the people working there probably have kids of their own and know the trouble makers. Wait for one to come in with a parent and then enforce the ban in front of the parent.

You'd be doing well to find many trouble-making teenagers who regularly go to Tesco with their parents

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes, schools started that craic during my school years, it came in with the boom when schools started to ape expensive American schools in everything but the quality of the education they gave out.

It was happening in my old school long before the boom, and I doubt anyone ever called that place posh or would have imagined that they were trying to "ape" any expensive schools. Just trying to keep the school's reputation from getting any worse than it was.

They just had a blanket policy that you were representing the school whilst wearing the uniform, and so anything you did whilst wearing it would be subject to the school rules.

Nadser · 12-02-2014 09:49PM

If Tesco are banning the kids, that's fair enough but how dare a school dictate what pupils can or cannot do in their own time!

Gatling · 12-02-2014 09:52PM

Nadser wrote: »

If Tesco are banning the kids, that's fair enough but how dare a school dictate what pupils can or cannot do in their own time!

There on school time and under the care of the school during school days and hours ,

I used to deal with this a hell of a lot working in various outlets where kids are caught shoplifting in school uniform ,
2 phone calls
1x Gardai
1x School principal

diomed · 12-02-2014 09:59PM

I live in Stillorgan and often see youngsters in school uniforms in Tesco. They are well behaved.

Nadser · 12-02-2014 10:00PM

Gatling wrote: »

There on school time and under the care of the school during school days and hours ,

I used to deal with this a hell of a lot working in various outlets where kids are caught shoplifting in school uniform ,
2 phone calls
1x Gardai
1x School principal

If it was on school time, they would presumably be in school. My understanding of the post was that they were banned at all times. Also, in my day, you needed written permission to leave the school grounds to go home for lunch, during which time the school was not responsible for the welfare of those pupils.

Ruu · 12-02-2014 10:03PM

Probably many cases where the children are just gathered in big groups and might not be up to much but it could put off elderly people and others. Harsh but fair enough, not up to Tesco staff to provide daycare services.

Aka Ishur · 12-02-2014 10:04PM

Haha brings me back to when I was in 5th year (2002) and our principal had to bring in a rule specifically banning us from being in the pub in our uniform...

Gatling · 12-02-2014 10:11PM

Nadser wrote: »

If it was on school time, they would presumably be in school. My understanding of the post was that they were banned at all times.

The Op stated its only in school uniform there not allowed,

They would still be under the care of the school regardless of notes or permissions ,

If they say went missing would the school then be able to say sorry parents its not our problem better report your child missing yourself

phildenny · 12-02-2014 10:14PM

moral wrote: »

We were never allowed hang around the town when we were in school, it had no adverse effects on us, quite the opposite, transition year students set up a mini-company and made a nice profit from it.

My children will be going to a secondary school in a couple of years and this will be a deciding factor on what school. When I send my child to school, its to learn, their lunch break should only be long enough to eat their lunch and not waste time hanging around the town.

They only ones complaining about this would have little to complain about if they got their act together and sent their children to school prepared for the day i.e. with a sufficient packet lunch.

+1.
My primary going children make their own lunch every morning and are out the door at 8.25. No need for any secondary student to be buying lunch every day. Where do they get the money anyway? No recession in some places it seems.

Days 298 · 12-02-2014 10:22PM

phildenny wrote: »

+1.
My primary going children make their own lunch every morning and are out the door at 8.25. No need for any secondary student to be buying lunch every day. Where do they get the money anyway? No recession in some places it seems.

Are people fed up of the recession being used as some sort of reason for others to pretend they have no money yet?

phildenny · 12-02-2014 10:29PM

Days 298 wrote: »

Are people fed up of the recession being used as some sort of reason for others to pretend they have no money yet?

I don't really understand your point, but whether people can afford it or not, there's still no need for students to leave school and buy lunch every day.

Lando Griffin · 12-02-2014 10:34PM

phildenny wrote: »

+1.
My primary going children make their own lunch every morning and are out the door at 8.25. No need for any secondary student to be buying lunch every day. Where do they get the money anyway? No recession in some places it seems.

I cant believe an adult should have young children using sharp knives to make their lunches.
On a side note I used to be one of the main gangs in my village knocking around shops and throwing litter and fag butts about; Id say educate them in respect for their surrounings.
Every time I did something wrong and be called into the principles office the football coach would come in and say Lando cant be suspended hes our star forward.

whupdedo · 12-02-2014 10:35PM

Are some parents gone so useless that they can't even make a packed lunch for their little prima Donna children.their should be no reason for children to be outside of school grounds at any time of the day inside of school hours, lazy parenting makes for bold little bastards roaming around town

School kids not allowed in supermarket

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